Welcome Noob! Glad you're with us and no longer with the Darkside. Here are my thoughts.
1. The 970 will be competitive but it will not be a Pentium Killer. This is IBMs first step into broadening their linuep of processors and pushing Linux on PPC. Apple is a big beneficiary of this as well but I don't think we can honestly expect to have a processing lead until the 980 is shipping. Even then we have no idea how competitive these processors will be. All I know is that we'll be better off than we have been the last two years.
2. There is only one way to kill office and that is to kill it's File Format. People buy Office for it's interoperability. The comfort in knowing that sending a Word or Excel file will be read correctly on the other side. To kill office you would need to create a new robust file format that becomes a standard by it's availability in every Word Processing app. Should Apple replace Appleworks I expect it to be popular but not the Office Killer it may be hyped up to be.
3. We'll see about this one. Sounds interesting
4. The iPod needs to stay ahead of the competition. Whatever Apple can do within reason to expand it's ubiquity and usefulness will help.
5. iTunes for Windows. Musicmatch is sweating bullets right now. This is key to attacking the largest group of computer users. A must have...asap.
6. Small Cube shape. 32MB of Video Memory on Motherboard. No PCI slots. Firewire, 10/100 Ethernet and Airport capable. Garden variety CD player. No Modem. This is a Network Mac. Suitable for light gaming. Ripping Audio and light taskwork. It will dovetail nicely with Xserves and Powermacs and the Clustering features of OSX and Distributed Networking using Rendezvous.
7. Safari- Not many changes here just further optimizations.
8. @ best Apple develops their own version of Tivo with great AAC support and AAC Serving. Supports iPod docking directly enhancing capability of music.
9. Panther- 64bit means nothing. Panther adds new Quartz functionality, Clustering and Distributed Processing. Panther has spit shined code down to the kernel and runs like butter.
10. isync continues to support more products. ical is beefed up to actually be functional. Ical is a core component of iWorks. Scheduling functionality and applescript support are beefed up.
11. Apple continues to avoid PDA's. Happily stays in the black by doing so.
12. Wintel continues to push Speed Speed Speed..the the excess does not appeal to consumers who don't feel it should take a 4Ghz machine to surf the Internet. Microsoft's play to the Entertainment industry offends many Content Creators. They begin to migrate back over to Apple. Apple continues to grow and spins off Pro Division which is tasked at developing and growing new Professional Solutions. Apple extends into IT/Enteprise. 2U Xserves are announced. Apple hints at the possiblility of Apple Blade Servers.
Apple hits 12 Billion in Revenue for 2005 setting new company record. Profits are at an all time high. Worldwide marketshare has risen to %4.2
AirSlurf and BR throw some weight behind me in the same thread? win one for the a$$holes (me).
really tho... this thread didn't seem to fall under future hardware; and the quality seemed quite poor... however - to respond to the first post in this thread instead of just eKicking the teeth in of the poster for his obvious faults:
the 970 is promising and could provide much needed overdue performance, however - it hasn't shipped, and when it does - what will those boxes cost? whatever it is - it wont KILL anything other than the G4...
iWork may or may not exist - presuming that it does, it ain't killing office if it doesn't run on a PC... heres to hoping its compatable, fast, and feature rich...
iPod: its sweet... tho there is a lot of competition
iTunes Music for Windows - killer app, for now
headless monster G4 for $599 - uh, ok well that isn't as good as the headless TITAN GIGANTOR G4 for $300; ie: it doesn't exist yet, its existance and price are a rumor, either way, I would never call any G4 today a "monster" in public
Safari is pretty sweet - however Mozilla Firebird on windows is everything safari is, + or -
Tivo - whatever... sounds nice
Panther - my opinion must be witheld until further notice
iSync - pretty handy, love my sony ericson t68i
Palm - bad match for appl, IMHO
Wintel world has nothing coming till 2005? well... slow down there bucko: the PC hardware has a enormous lead on mac hardware (AGP 8x, DDR ram, cheap GFX cards, stupidly good $$/performance ratio, serial ATA), and major advances in the pipeline, not the least of which is prescott (among others). Windows - while totally lacking in finess - has evolved into a reliable, fast and functional tool. It lacks UNIX, Quartz, and Cocoa... but for the most part, it really aint bad. Linux serves (no pun intended) many of Windows' deficiencies, and when it comes to most 3D work: Linux/Windows/Intel is king these days.
we all like macs, and for many of us - we find areas of superiority in them over PC's. But really: why do we all have to act like evangelical bible salesman about macs? Most "non-believers" are really O-K with their PCs. really, they are; a lot of em even like their computers. We as mac users don't need to convert anyone per say - I just hope that the mac itself becomes superior enough to convert people on its own merits. Despite recent progress, most people just don't see an advantage in using a mac. forget me switching people over, I want the mac to do it for me - cause if it does, it'll be that kick a$$ again. For now - I myself am finding more and more situations where I can't justify a mac. About the only place a mac has left in my life is in my heart, and on my laptop for personal computing use. All heavy 3D modeling/rendering, 2d graphics, and coding (sans GUI stuff) and I'm better off on a PC for the speed and economy. Here's to hoping I'll be better off on a mac this fall.
mchenkes, you're complaining that some here are bitching about the thread. Fine, now explain to me
- what's this thread's purpose, anyhow?
- what does it have to do with future hardware?
- "war"? What are you suggesting?
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New Here.
It seems to me that with Apple moving at lighting speed this summer M$ and thier so called friends Intel and Dell might have to watch them selves.
1. PPC 970 (killes P4 3.02)
It's "3.06", and I dunno if the 970 kills it. I for myself haven't seen it. If you're solely looking at benchmarks, forget about it - the real machines come out in three weeks at the very earliest.
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2 iWork (to kill Office)
Proof?
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3 Pal (sweet) just do it SJ
Proof? What is it, anyhow?
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4 iPod
I don't see how a nicely done, but overly expensive for its main purpose, MP3 player could hurt the Windows platform - that's what you want, right?
[/QUOTE] 5 iTunes Music for Windows[/QUOTE]
This, also, won't attract new Mac users either.
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6 Headless monster G4 for $599 USD
Rumor. Unlikely, if I can believe Pascal Calhi or whatever his name is (he's from Apple Europe). According to him, low prices aren't Apple's segment at all. And that's what it looks like indeed.
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7 Safari 1.1
Huh? 1.0 isn't even out?
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8 Tivo (Apple's buying this one fellas)
Rumor. Also, once again, it won't help the Macintosh platform much.
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9 Panther ( my 64bit is biger than your 32 argument)
There is no official source for 64-bit code in Panther, whether that's likely or not.
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10 iSync (cell phone and PDA's love it)
Windows has had it for ages. ActiveSync. I have no idea how well it works, but iSync surely isn't an argument for switching to Mac.
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11 Palm is falling apart at the seems wounderful buy op for SJ
What? learn.to/spell or something... anyway, if you meant to say "Palm is falling apart, which seems like a wonderful buying opportunity for Steve Jobs", you couldn't be wronger. How often has Jobs have to tell everyone that he's not into PDAs, and never has been? He IIRC didn't like Knowledge Navigator and I doubt he liked Newton much.
He prefers cellphones for tasks like that, and I think laptops are fine for anything more complicated.
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12 Wintel world has nothing comming till 2005 NOTHING to stop us.
Stop us from doing what?
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Bring it Steve I know you read these boards build it and we will buy it.
Build what?
I don't understand how a 22-year old trapped in AI could do so many spelling mistakes in all of his posts so far.
Damn this thread went to shit fast. Who cares that the guys is using IE and has no spell check? Who cares his grammar isn't that of an english lit major? Why does that have to b pointed out? Why does he need to be ripped that he can't read, write and/or comprehend? Forums are to read view points and opinions, not to belittle people for their mechanics in expressing those views.
Chucker- You need proof for the rumors of iWorks and others he mentioned? Well, you are at the wrong site then.
Let's just move along, if you don't want to add to this discussion of what Apple will possibly release this year then move on. It's not necessary or very polite to rip someone for the way the post and not what they post. If you disagree, then disagree, don't have to flame someone because you disagree.
[added] Side note, seemsthe name 'iWork' is already being used. http://www.iggsoftware.com/iwork/ Granted it's not Adobe, and I'm not completely sure they trademarked the name, but it is a current shipping [or downloading] product.
Damn this thread went to shit fast. Who cares that the guys is using IE
I don't.
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and has no spell check?
I wouldn't if he at least spelt words *out*. Guessing "opportunity" from "op" isn't my job.
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Chucker- You need proof for the rumors of iWorks and others he mentioned? Well, you are at the wrong site then.
No, I'm not. Nothing wrong with throwing in ideas and rumors from sources like ThinkSecret, but taken them as a given in a thread that's supposed to start a war against Microsoft for to raise Apple's marketshare is just weird.
We don't know about iWorks. We don't know about the usage of the 970. We don't know about Panther, Pal, etc.
Nothing wrong with speculating - just don't list it up amongst actual facts.
And this thread isn't about speculating, nor about future hardware, as iWorks and Panther clearly aren't hardware and the Apple market share isn't either.
hehehe... it does seem childish to be too optimistic about Apple, but then again we're all still posting here, some more than others, so mebbe I shouldn't say anything.
Wow - talk about the smell of napalm in the morning! A little too much aggression this fine morning....
The OP's post is interesting, but a little optimistic I fear. For example, whether we like it or not it's hard to see anything ever 'killing' MS Office due mostly, as gradstudent points out, to the universality of its file format.
hehehe... it does seem childish to be too optimistic about Apple, but then again we're all still posting here, some more than others, so mebbe I shouldn't say anything.
I see nothing wrong with optimism about Apple. After all, its customers somehow depend on it.
I just don't see the point of this thread, though.
Yes, I too think that there's been a little too much aggro and posturing so far. I think somebody needs a hug ....
(Where's the "wry smirk" emoticon?)
Anyhow, the point of this thread, whether or not you agree with the individual points raised in the first post, is that Apple appears to have a lot of options before it that should restore a measure of bragging rights and perhaps even market share.
We can only hope that some small percentage of this optimism is justified. And I am optimistic, mainly because I think that Steve is a bona fide genius. I've stopped worrying about Apple's strategic direction, simply because I know that people who are both wiser and better-informed than myself are paying very close to these issues at Cupertino.
Damn this thread went to shit fast. Who cares that the guys is using IE and has no spell check? Who cares his grammar isn't that of an english lit major? Why does that have to b pointed out? Why does he need to be ripped that he can't read, write and/or comprehend? Forums are to read view points and opinions, not to belittle people for their mechanics in expressing those views.
You are right this thread went to shit at the speed of the light .
For the grammar, synthax or use of IE, i have only one thing to say : using IE, ****ing the grammar, destroying the synthax are not forbidden in AI (my presence is in itself a proof ...) but any attempt to improve them are welcome
Mchenkes : welcome to these boards. Don't be scared by our flamer' s posters, but remember that people here (and me included) have some problems to believe in the SJ magical wand, who will kick the ass of Intel and MS suddenly. Apple has got a long way to go, if it wanted to have more than 10 % of the market. Currently it is near 3 %.
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1. The 970 will be competitive but it will not be a Pentium Killer. This is IBMs first step into broadening their linuep of processors and pushing Linux on PPC. Apple is a big beneficiary of this as well but I don't think we can honestly expect to have a processing lead until the 980 is shipping. Even then we have no idea how competitive these processors will be. All I know is that we'll be better off than we have been the last two years.
2. There is only one way to kill office and that is to kill it's File Format. People buy Office for it's interoperability. The comfort in knowing that sending a Word or Excel file will be read correctly on the other side. To kill office you would need to create a new robust file format that becomes a standard by it's availability in every Word Processing app. Should Apple replace Appleworks I expect it to be popular but not the Office Killer it may be hyped up to be.
3. We'll see about this one. Sounds interesting
4. The iPod needs to stay ahead of the competition. Whatever Apple can do within reason to expand it's ubiquity and usefulness will help.
5. iTunes for Windows. Musicmatch is sweating bullets right now. This is key to attacking the largest group of computer users. A must have...asap.
6. Small Cube shape. 32MB of Video Memory on Motherboard. No PCI slots. Firewire, 10/100 Ethernet and Airport capable. Garden variety CD player. No Modem. This is a Network Mac. Suitable for light gaming. Ripping Audio and light taskwork. It will dovetail nicely with Xserves and Powermacs and the Clustering features of OSX and Distributed Networking using Rendezvous.
7. Safari- Not many changes here just further optimizations.
8. @ best Apple develops their own version of Tivo with great AAC support and AAC Serving. Supports iPod docking directly enhancing capability of music.
9. Panther- 64bit means nothing. Panther adds new Quartz functionality, Clustering and Distributed Processing. Panther has spit shined code down to the kernel and runs like butter.
10. isync continues to support more products. ical is beefed up to actually be functional. Ical is a core component of iWorks. Scheduling functionality and applescript support are beefed up.
11. Apple continues to avoid PDA's. Happily stays in the black by doing so.
12. Wintel continues to push Speed Speed Speed..the the excess does not appeal to consumers who don't feel it should take a 4Ghz machine to surf the Internet. Microsoft's play to the Entertainment industry offends many Content Creators. They begin to migrate back over to Apple. Apple continues to grow and spins off Pro Division which is tasked at developing and growing new Professional Solutions. Apple extends into IT/Enteprise. 2U Xserves are announced. Apple hints at the possiblility of Apple Blade Servers.
Apple hits 12 Billion in Revenue for 2005 setting new company record. Profits are at an all time high. Worldwide marketshare has risen to %4.2
AirSlurf and BR throw some weight behind me in the same thread? win one for the a$$holes (me).
really tho... this thread didn't seem to fall under future hardware; and the quality seemed quite poor... however - to respond to the first post in this thread instead of just eKicking the teeth in of the poster for his obvious faults:
the 970 is promising and could provide much needed overdue performance, however - it hasn't shipped, and when it does - what will those boxes cost? whatever it is - it wont KILL anything other than the G4...
iWork may or may not exist - presuming that it does, it ain't killing office if it doesn't run on a PC... heres to hoping its compatable, fast, and feature rich...
iPod: its sweet... tho there is a lot of competition
iTunes Music for Windows - killer app, for now
headless monster G4 for $599 - uh, ok well that isn't as good as the headless TITAN GIGANTOR G4 for $300; ie: it doesn't exist yet, its existance and price are a rumor, either way, I would never call any G4 today a "monster" in public
Safari is pretty sweet - however Mozilla Firebird on windows is everything safari is, + or -
Tivo - whatever... sounds nice
Panther - my opinion must be witheld until further notice
iSync - pretty handy, love my sony ericson t68i
Palm - bad match for appl, IMHO
Wintel world has nothing coming till 2005? well... slow down there bucko: the PC hardware has a enormous lead on mac hardware (AGP 8x, DDR ram, cheap GFX cards, stupidly good $$/performance ratio, serial ATA), and major advances in the pipeline, not the least of which is prescott (among others). Windows - while totally lacking in finess - has evolved into a reliable, fast and functional tool. It lacks UNIX, Quartz, and Cocoa... but for the most part, it really aint bad. Linux serves (no pun intended) many of Windows' deficiencies, and when it comes to most 3D work: Linux/Windows/Intel is king these days.
we all like macs, and for many of us - we find areas of superiority in them over PC's. But really: why do we all have to act like evangelical bible salesman about macs? Most "non-believers" are really O-K with their PCs. really, they are; a lot of em even like their computers. We as mac users don't need to convert anyone per say - I just hope that the mac itself becomes superior enough to convert people on its own merits. Despite recent progress, most people just don't see an advantage in using a mac. forget me switching people over, I want the mac to do it for me - cause if it does, it'll be that kick a$$ again. For now - I myself am finding more and more situations where I can't justify a mac. About the only place a mac has left in my life is in my heart, and on my laptop for personal computing use. All heavy 3D modeling/rendering, 2d graphics, and coding (sans GUI stuff) and I'm better off on a PC for the speed and economy. Here's to hoping I'll be better off on a mac this fall.
Originally posted by mchenkes
Thanks for a wounderful 1st post one here. Thats ritorical for you guys in Cali.
not to be an even bigger prick than I already am
ritorical is spelled rhetorical; and I believe the word you were looking for was sarcastic.
- what's this thread's purpose, anyhow?
- what does it have to do with future hardware?
- "war"? What are you suggesting?
New Here.
It seems to me that with Apple moving at lighting speed this summer M$ and thier so called friends Intel and Dell might have to watch them selves.
1. PPC 970 (killes P4 3.02)
It's "3.06", and I dunno if the 970 kills it. I for myself haven't seen it. If you're solely looking at benchmarks, forget about it - the real machines come out in three weeks at the very earliest.
2 iWork (to kill Office)
Proof?
3 Pal (sweet) just do it SJ
Proof? What is it, anyhow?
4 iPod
I don't see how a nicely done, but overly expensive for its main purpose, MP3 player could hurt the Windows platform - that's what you want, right?
[/QUOTE] 5 iTunes Music for Windows[/QUOTE]
This, also, won't attract new Mac users either.
6 Headless monster G4 for $599 USD
Rumor. Unlikely, if I can believe Pascal Calhi or whatever his name is (he's from Apple Europe). According to him, low prices aren't Apple's segment at all. And that's what it looks like indeed.
7 Safari 1.1
Huh? 1.0 isn't even out?
8 Tivo (Apple's buying this one fellas)
Rumor. Also, once again, it won't help the Macintosh platform much.
9 Panther ( my 64bit is biger than your 32 argument)
There is no official source for 64-bit code in Panther, whether that's likely or not.
10 iSync (cell phone and PDA's love it)
Windows has had it for ages. ActiveSync. I have no idea how well it works, but iSync surely isn't an argument for switching to Mac.
11 Palm is falling apart at the seems wounderful buy op for SJ
What? learn.to/spell or something... anyway, if you meant to say "Palm is falling apart, which seems like a wonderful buying opportunity for Steve Jobs", you couldn't be wronger. How often has Jobs have to tell everyone that he's not into PDAs, and never has been? He IIRC didn't like Knowledge Navigator and I doubt he liked Newton much.
He prefers cellphones for tasks like that, and I think laptops are fine for anything more complicated.
12 Wintel world has nothing comming till 2005 NOTHING to stop us.
Stop us from doing what?
Bring it Steve I know you read these boards build it and we will buy it.
Build what?
I don't understand how a 22-year old trapped in AI could do so many spelling mistakes in all of his posts so far.
But maybe I'm just ignorant
Originally posted by Chucker
I don't understand how a 22-year old trapped in AI could do so many spelling mistakes in all of his posts so far.
I believe you mean "make so many spelling mistakes." We don't do them.
Originally posted by The Pie Man
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Originally posted by BR
I believe you mean "make so many spelling mistakes." We don't do them.
Well, I'm not a native English speaker, so there
(Good point though
Fish
Chucker- You need proof for the rumors of iWorks and others he mentioned? Well, you are at the wrong site then.
Let's just move along, if you don't want to add to this discussion of what Apple will possibly release this year then move on. It's not necessary or very polite to rip someone for the way the post and not what they post. If you disagree, then disagree, don't have to flame someone because you disagree.
[added] Side note, seemsthe name 'iWork' is already being used. http://www.iggsoftware.com/iwork/ Granted it's not Adobe, and I'm not completely sure they trademarked the name, but it is a current shipping [or downloading] product.
Best thread ever though. Spelling flames, kooks coming out of the woodwork, pretty pointless post to start it - great.
oh, postcount ++
kroehl
Originally posted by KidRed
Damn this thread went to shit fast. Who cares that the guys is using IE
I don't.
and has no spell check?
I wouldn't if he at least spelt words *out*. Guessing "opportunity" from "op" isn't my job.
Chucker- You need proof for the rumors of iWorks and others he mentioned? Well, you are at the wrong site then.
No, I'm not. Nothing wrong with throwing in ideas and rumors from sources like ThinkSecret, but taken them as a given in a thread that's supposed to start a war against Microsoft for to raise Apple's marketshare is just weird.
We don't know about iWorks. We don't know about the usage of the 970. We don't know about Panther, Pal, etc.
Nothing wrong with speculating - just don't list it up amongst actual facts.
And this thread isn't about speculating, nor about future hardware, as iWorks and Panther clearly aren't hardware and the Apple market share isn't either.
OK, I'm going to move what's left of this thread to General Discussion, and hope (*cough*) that it improves somewhat.
hehehe... it does seem childish to be too optimistic about Apple, but then again we're all still posting here, some more than others, so mebbe I shouldn't say anything.
The OP's post is interesting, but a little optimistic I fear. For example, whether we like it or not it's hard to see anything ever 'killing' MS Office due mostly, as gradstudent points out, to the universality of its file format.
CalTech, gradstudent?
Originally posted by Matsu
No more IBL then?
hehehe... it does seem childish to be too optimistic about Apple, but then again we're all still posting here, some more than others, so mebbe I shouldn't say anything.
I see nothing wrong with optimism about Apple. After all, its customers somehow depend on it.
I just don't see the point of this thread, though.
(Where's the "wry smirk" emoticon?)
Anyhow, the point of this thread, whether or not you agree with the individual points raised in the first post, is that Apple appears to have a lot of options before it that should restore a measure of bragging rights and perhaps even market share.
We can only hope that some small percentage of this optimism is justified. And I am optimistic, mainly because I think that Steve is a bona fide genius. I've stopped worrying about Apple's strategic direction, simply because I know that people who are both wiser and better-informed than myself are paying very close to these issues at Cupertino.
Just don't get us mixed up
That is all
Originally posted by KidRed
Damn this thread went to shit fast. Who cares that the guys is using IE and has no spell check? Who cares his grammar isn't that of an english lit major? Why does that have to b pointed out? Why does he need to be ripped that he can't read, write and/or comprehend? Forums are to read view points and opinions, not to belittle people for their mechanics in expressing those views.
You are right this thread went to shit at the speed of the light
For the grammar, synthax or use of IE, i have only one thing to say : using IE, ****ing the grammar, destroying the synthax are not forbidden in AI (my presence is in itself a proof ...) but any attempt to improve them are welcome
Mchenkes : welcome to these boards. Don't be scared by our flamer' s posters, but remember that people here (and me included) have some problems to believe in the SJ magical wand, who will kick the ass of Intel and MS suddenly. Apple has got a long way to go, if it wanted to have more than 10 % of the market. Currently it is near 3 %.