New text features in Panther?

bih · June 6, 2003 12:45AM

This is from the WWDC workshop descriptions page[http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/descriptions.html]:

427 - Cocoa Text

Friday, June 27

5:00 PM - 6:30 PM

Room: Presidio

The text system has always been one of the central components of Cocoa, but this year it's getting some exciting new features that will make it more useful and powerful than ever. We'll briefly review the architecture of the Cocoa text system, then dive in and show you how to start making use of its new capabilities.

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Anyone care to speculate?

See anything else interesting from the WWDC information page?

-bih

mount_my_floppy · June 6, 2003 12:59AM

I don`t have anything to speculate but I would like to say that I`m more exited about this years wwdc than ever, Now that they have OS X to the point where its finially out of beta mode they can start playing around with all its cool features and really bring out some awesome things.

webflits · June 6, 2003 2:29AM

Animated fonts?

barto · June 6, 2003 2:50AM

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Originally posted by WebFlits

Animated fonts?

My thoughts exactly.

othello · June 6, 2003 3:24AM

yak!

netromac · June 6, 2003 4:05AM

How about less fuzzy anti-aliasing ???

netromac · June 6, 2003 4:06AM

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Originally posted by WebFlits

Animated fonts?

I have one question. WHY ???

webflits · June 6, 2003 5:00AM

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Originally posted by NETROMac

I have one question. WHY ???

Not animated in the form of characters jumping all over your screen.

Ever heard of GX TrueType?

<http://developer.apple.com/fonts/Too...E/TE1typo.html>

Perhaps we'll see the return of some cool Quickdraw GX stuff.

netromac · June 6, 2003 5:06AM

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Originally posted by WebFlits

Not animated in the form of characters jumping all over your screen.

Ever heard of GX TrueType?

<http://developer.apple.com/fonts/Too...E/TE1typo.html>

Perhaps we'll see the return of some cool Quickdraw GX stuff.

Oh, I see

. Sorry

barto · June 6, 2003 5:51AM

Apple already has the technology. It just isn't part of the OS yet.

http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/fonts.html

Barto

arbernaut · June 6, 2003 6:13AM

I can see a use for animated type in the context of Final Cut, but I suspect this new Cocoa Type is something entirely different. I'd seriously consider XP if every Mac app started singing and dancing with glowing text and animations. It's probably something deeper and more fundamental, such as improved text handling, displaying and managing.

code master · June 6, 2003 6:53AM

Are we talking about things like Zaphino where Cocoa cn handle all the cool glyphs it uses? That is such a beautiful font!

I just learned something the other day about cocoa text selection (perhaps carbon too.. didn't check). If you click and drag, you select by character, if you double click and drag, you select by word, if you tripple click and drag you select by paragraph. I thought this was really neat!

buonrotto · June 6, 2003 8:35AM

There's a lot of nice features in Cocoa text. I imagine, they'll just add to them. For example, one that I use a lot is while you're typing, pressing control-t will flip the two characters on either side of your text cursor. So if I typed (and I did) "exmaple," placed the cursor between the m and the a, and typed control-t, the m and a would trade places, so it would read "example." There's a few of those control-letter commands in Cocoa text.

arbernaut · June 6, 2003 8:38AM

That's pretty damn cool because I type "teh" all the time instead of "the"!!

nitzer · June 6, 2003 10:43AM

Cocoa text supports many (all?) of the EMACS commands. I don't know what any of them are, but I know that the text system supports them.

Me, I use VI.

willywalloo · June 6, 2003 11:55AM

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Originally posted by Arbernaut

That's pretty damn cool because I type "teh" all the time instead of "the"!!

Speaking of teh, all of the great features that are going to be implemented with the font system probably won't be used by the Finder all that much (although it could utilize them), but more for making those features available to programs that would use them, such as FinalCutPro4.

So no switching to XP yet, (or ever...I'm getting out my ruler ! (so that I can lay the beat down) )

willywalloo · June 6, 2003 11:58AM

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Originally posted by Nitzer

Cocoa text supports many (all?) of the EMACS commands. I don't know what any of them are, but I know that the text system supports them.

Me, I use VI.

Do you use the VI that comes with OS X DEV? If you do, that is amazing. It's different, well OK, OLDER than the one I am used to using.

VI rocks, but so does PICO...and EMACS is good too...I'm probably the only guy on earth who likes all three.

cowerd · June 6, 2003 12:01PM

Would be nice if cocoa apps would use font kerning tables.

drewprops · June 7, 2003 6:21PM

Be nice if the OS rendered typefaces in font menus, be really sweet for those of us who do a lot of design work and still wait for apps like Adobe Illustrator to deliver this feature.

rok · June 7, 2003 6:29PM

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Originally posted by drewprops

Be nice if the OS rendered typefaces in font menus, be really sweet for those of us who do a lot of design work and still wait for apps like Adobe Illustrator to deliver this feature.

if it means anything, the guys at unsanity.com releaseda sneak peek at two updates to their utilities (i think the screenshots were on railheaddesign for a short time), and they will be bringing this feature back in one of their haxies (i would guess menu master, but it might be a new product entirely). they're also unlocking "minimize in place" which was in some of the earlier jaguar betas.

frawgz · June 7, 2003 7:39PM

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Originally posted by BuonRotto

There's a lot of nice features in Cocoa text. I imagine, they'll just add to them. For example, one that I use a lot is while you're typing, pressing control-t will flip the two characters on either side of your text cursor. So if I typed (and I did) "exmaple," placed the cursor between the m and the a, and typed control-t, the m and a would trade places, so it would read "example." There's a few of those control-letter commands in Cocoa text.

Hmm.. I tried this in TextEdit and it didn't work. What's up with that?

New text features in Panther?

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