I would just love to see a commercial where Smeagol (Panther beta) turns into Gollum (Panther Gold) and releases our heroic hobbits from the clutches of Mordorolla.*
Just think if they really convinced Peter Jackson to do some TV spots using Gollum cgi running on 970 ported Shake! It would also make for one awesome and well-timed Superbowl commercial after Return of the King opens.
And there are multiple points of view on any issue: oil infrastructure has greater military and economic value than the contents of a museum, and is typically located in non-urban environments and thus more easily defended against paramilitary activity. Either way, this isn't the place for this discussion.
Sigh. It's a good job I'm not a moderator, Programmer, otherwise I'd be hoiking yer bum over to General Discussion...
I would just love to see a commercial where Smeagol (Panther beta) turns into Gollum (Panther Gold) and releases our heroic hobbits from the clutches of Mordorolla.*
Just think if they really convinced Peter Jackson to do some TV spots using Gollum cgi running on 970 ported Shake! It would also make for one awesome and well-timed Superbowl commercial after Return of the King opens.
okay. The eWeek article has more manure in it than a cow field. Don't believe the hype.
Aw man, are you going to make me go and read that article now? Geez.
Hmmm... "hype"? What hype? There's nothing in there that made me even blink ("at least" comparable performance to G4, need to recompile with GCC 3.2, some mysterious bus codenamed ApplePI, hardware out before Panther... what hype?)... be more precise moki, you're just making the muck in the field worse.
Hmmm... "hype"? What hype? There's nothing in there that made me even blink ("at least" comparable performance to G4, need to recompile with GCC 3.2, some mysterious bus codenamed ApplePI, hardware out before Panther... what hype?)... be more precise moki, you're just making the muck in the field worse.
Let's put it this way -- there is very little in that article that is true. We're seeing this a lot in the various rumour sites... rumours get repeated enough, and people believe that they are true.
Let's put it this way -- there is very little in that article that is true. We're seeing this a lot in the various rumour sites... rumours get repeated enough, and people believe that they are true.
Hmmm... okay...
1 ) Is there a PowerPC 970? Yes.
2 ) Will Apple use it? You yourself have implied that for over a year.
3 ) Will it happen soon? Within a couple of months seems doable.
4 ) Will WWDC demonstrate new hardware? In some form I expect it will, even if it isn't a product demonstration.
5 ) Will the 970 be at least as fast as the G4? Darn right it will.
6 ) Is there a bus codenamed ApplePI? Who cares.
7 ) Will there be a GCC 3.3 that includes a new instruction scheduler for the 970? Yep.
8 ) Will Panther contain 64-bit support? Hope so although it may not update all APIs to full 64-bit compliance.
The article didn't say much else, did it? Can you list the item numbers which are completely bogus?
Let's put it this way -- there is very little in that article that is true. We're seeing this a lot in the various rumour sites... rumours get repeated enough, and people believe that they are true.
So you're saying no PPC970 machines announced at WWDC.
dang....my eyes really misread that statement...had to re-read it three times...somehow my brain (the first two times) substituted "grow" for "throw" and thought, "dang, isn't a rather personal comment to be making on these boards"
dang....my eyes really misread that statement...had to re-read it three times...somehow my brain (the first two times) substituted "grow" for "throw" and thought, "dang, isn't a rather personal comment to be making on these boards"
dang....my eyes really misread that statement...had to re-read it three times...somehow my brain (the first two times) substituted "grow" for "throw" and thought, "dang, isn't a rather personal comment to be making on these boards"
g
Crap, just had my drink spout out my nose I laughed so hard....
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Originally posted by moki
Let's put it this way -- there is very little in that article that is true. We're seeing this a lot in the various rumour sites... rumours get repeated enough, and people believe that they are true.
Actually, there is a lot of info in the article. Maybe the speed of the 970 compared to the G4? The single 970 as opposed to dual? Smeagol and Q37 code names? Etc...Normally Mathew R is pretty good, but Moki is also very trustworthy... hmmmm, who to believe?
You're just out to get me, aren't ya LBB? Got a vendetta happenin' or somethin', don't ya?
I've only got a vendetta against Lemon Squeezers...
(Only gently pulling yer 'chain' for the two 'general comments' you've made of late. It's all I could find on an otherwise exemplary 'on-topic' track record. I guess you're right. I haven't seen that side to you before... But, I actually like it!
As for comments that 'contribute' to the actual thread. Dunno. The eWeek story is what? An interpretation? A journalistic slant? Y'know, there's a distinct negative/subdued tone to the eWeek story and many of the threads all of a sudden. Yet the Register story was different in feel again...working from the same source/info'? The 970 will come out. Won't be optimised until Panther. Er. Okay. But would I like huge bandwidth with Altivec and a higher mhz/performing computer with a cool new case in the meantime? Yes please.
Guess it's down to expectations. The 'G5' has taken on an almost 'saviour complex' to Mac folk. And given Moto's best efforts, who can blame them? The general belief is twice as fast...and if it doesn't do that people will be disappointed? But say it didn't right out the gates, I doubt Apple would release the 970 machines if performance was 'THAT' bad. So we get the rest in Sept's Panther release. What do we get in the meantime? 50%? 100% over a G4? 150%? 200%? Are any of those bad? That's better than several bumps of 5% here or 10% there with several 'Athlon'/Intel cpus? Surely even 50% would be a distinct improvement? But I'm betting it's going to be alot more than that.
And it was like that in the press before 'X' got Photoshop...then like that before we got Quark 6. Now Quark 6 is imminent what will the Mac press whine about? (In fact, when the 970 hits I won't be able to whine about the G4 anymore.)
I may retire to a Jellyfish colony and spit pips at the natives from my throne of pancakes...cooked nicely from the heat of a dual 2.2 gig 970 Whoo-hoo!
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Just think if they really convinced Peter Jackson to do some TV spots using Gollum cgi running on 970 ported Shake! It would also make for one awesome and well-timed Superbowl commercial after Return of the King opens.
*"Mordorolla" came from a thread on Ars.
And there are multiple points of view on any issue: oil infrastructure has greater military and economic value than the contents of a museum, and is typically located in non-urban environments and thus more easily defended against paramilitary activity. Either way, this isn't the place for this discussion.
Sigh. It's a good job I'm not a moderator, Programmer, otherwise I'd be hoiking yer bum over to General Discussion...
Lemon Bon Bon
I don't want to see any political posts below this line:
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Originally posted by MacGregor
I would just love to see a commercial where Smeagol (Panther beta) turns into Gollum (Panther Gold) and releases our heroic hobbits from the clutches of Mordorolla.*
Just think if they really convinced Peter Jackson to do some TV spots using Gollum cgi running on 970 ported Shake! It would also make for one awesome and well-timed Superbowl commercial after Return of the King opens.
*"Mordorolla" came from a thread on Ars.
Mordorolla. I love it!
Originally posted by JBL
Anyway, I am pretty sure if you posted some meaty hints as to what we might expect on June 23, that would pretty much take over all the threads here.
okay. The eWeek article has more manure in it than a cow field. Don't believe the hype.
Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon
Sigh. It's a good job I'm not a moderator, Programmer, otherwise I'd be hoiking yer bum over to General Discussion...
Lemon Bon Bon
You're just out to get me, aren't ya LBB? Got a vendetta happenin' or somethin', don't ya?
Originally posted by moki
okay. The eWeek article has more manure in it than a cow field. Don't believe the hype.
Aw man, are you going to make me go and read that article now? Geez.
Hmmm... "hype"? What hype? There's nothing in there that made me even blink ("at least" comparable performance to G4, need to recompile with GCC 3.2, some mysterious bus codenamed ApplePI, hardware out before Panther... what hype?)... be more precise moki, you're just making the muck in the field worse.
Originally posted by Programmer
Hmmm... "hype"? What hype? There's nothing in there that made me even blink ("at least" comparable performance to G4, need to recompile with GCC 3.2, some mysterious bus codenamed ApplePI, hardware out before Panther... what hype?)... be more precise moki, you're just making the muck in the field worse.
Let's put it this way -- there is very little in that article that is true. We're seeing this a lot in the various rumour sites... rumours get repeated enough, and people believe that they are true.
Originally posted by moki
Let's put it this way -- there is very little in that article that is true. We're seeing this a lot in the various rumour sites... rumours get repeated enough, and people believe that they are true.
Hmmm... okay...
1 ) Is there a PowerPC 970? Yes.
2 ) Will Apple use it? You yourself have implied that for over a year.
3 ) Will it happen soon? Within a couple of months seems doable.
4 ) Will WWDC demonstrate new hardware? In some form I expect it will, even if it isn't a product demonstration.
5 ) Will the 970 be at least as fast as the G4? Darn right it will.
6 ) Is there a bus codenamed ApplePI? Who cares.
7 ) Will there be a GCC 3.3 that includes a new instruction scheduler for the 970? Yep.
8 ) Will Panther contain 64-bit support? Hope so although it may not update all APIs to full 64-bit compliance.
The article didn't say much else, did it? Can you list the item numbers which are completely bogus?
Thanks Moki, I knew I could count on you.
Originally posted by moki
Let's put it this way -- there is very little in that article that is true. We're seeing this a lot in the various rumour sites... rumours get repeated enough, and people believe that they are true.
So you're saying no PPC970 machines announced at WWDC.
Originally posted by whoami
i wish moki would throw bigger bones!
dang....my eyes really misread that statement...had to re-read it three times...somehow my brain (the first two times) substituted "grow" for "throw" and thought, "dang, isn't a rather personal comment to be making on these boards"
g
Thank you for your cooperation.
I don't do politics, Amorph. They belong in General Discussion.
Lemon Bon Bon
Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon
I don't do politics, Amorph. They belong in General Discussion.
Lemon Bon Bon
actually politics belongs in AO
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Originally posted by thegelding
dang....my eyes really misread that statement...had to re-read it three times...somehow my brain (the first two times) substituted "grow" for "throw" and thought, "dang, isn't a rather personal comment to be making on these boards"
g
hahahhahahhaaa...
i didn't want that kind of insider information!
Originally posted by thegelding
dang....my eyes really misread that statement...had to re-read it three times...somehow my brain (the first two times) substituted "grow" for "throw" and thought, "dang, isn't a rather personal comment to be making on these boards"
g
Originally posted by moki
Let's put it this way -- there is very little in that article that is true. We're seeing this a lot in the various rumour sites... rumours get repeated enough, and people believe that they are true.
Actually, there is a lot of info in the article. Maybe the speed of the 970 compared to the G4? The single 970 as opposed to dual? Smeagol and Q37 code names? Etc...Normally Mathew R is pretty good, but Moki is also very trustworthy... hmmmm, who to believe?
You're just out to get me, aren't ya LBB? Got a vendetta happenin' or somethin', don't ya?
I've only got a vendetta against Lemon Squeezers...
(Only gently pulling yer 'chain' for the two 'general comments' you've made of late. It's all I could find on an otherwise exemplary 'on-topic' track record.
As for comments that 'contribute' to the actual thread. Dunno. The eWeek story is what? An interpretation? A journalistic slant? Y'know, there's a distinct negative/subdued tone to the eWeek story and many of the threads all of a sudden. Yet the Register story was different in feel again...working from the same source/info'? The 970 will come out. Won't be optimised until Panther. Er. Okay. But would I like huge bandwidth with Altivec and a higher mhz/performing computer with a cool new case in the meantime? Yes please.
Guess it's down to expectations. The 'G5' has taken on an almost 'saviour complex' to Mac folk. And given Moto's best efforts, who can blame them? The general belief is twice as fast...and if it doesn't do that people will be disappointed? But say it didn't right out the gates, I doubt Apple would release the 970 machines if performance was 'THAT' bad. So we get the rest in Sept's Panther release. What do we get in the meantime? 50%? 100% over a G4? 150%? 200%? Are any of those bad? That's better than several bumps of 5% here or 10% there with several 'Athlon'/Intel cpus? Surely even 50% would be a distinct improvement? But I'm betting it's going to be alot more than that.
And it was like that in the press before 'X' got Photoshop...then like that before we got Quark 6. Now Quark 6 is imminent what will the Mac press whine about? (In fact, when the 970 hits I won't be able to whine about the G4 anymore.)
I may retire to a Jellyfish colony and spit pips at the natives from my throne of pancakes...cooked nicely from the heat of a dual 2.2 gig 970
Lemon Bon Bon