<strong>IMHO making predictions at this point is for fools. It looks like anything could happen. According to the rampant speculation on these boards the next-gen Mac processor could be any of:
...
- Tiny little green people using nanotech abacuses inside a matchbox.</strong><hr></blockquote>
why would someone even allude to a source? it can only mean bad things for everyone involved. either you believe the person or you don't. what difference does it make if the person says that their source is their second cousin or whatever? some people have inside information and they're not likely to tell you who told them just because you asked.<hr></blockquote>
Lighten up. Did you really think I was serious (I might know his brother-in-law)? Well, i was half serious, in that I was curious to see if this had appeared in anyhere in print. But looking for scholarship on a rumor site, now that would be something. (Not to detract from the intelligence of some of the posts on these boards.)
[quote] :Lemon Bon Bon:
p-TRASH?
Ya don't say...<hr></blockquote>
Don't say I never gave you anything!
BTW, you can infer that I'm the Pakistani variant of white trash, and I can infer that your favorite candies, being a Brit, are lemon bon bons.
AND, as for the G5, perhaps all the emphasis on it that you see on the AI boards and other rumor sites is because we're all so caught up in linear thinking: after the G4 must come the G5. Maybe Apple will surprise us this summer, after all, if Jobs has one strength it is his ability to think outside the box.
<strong>AND, as for the G5, perhaps all the emphasis on it that you see on the AI boards and other rumor sites is because we're all so caught up in linear thinking: after the G4 must come the G5. Maybe Apple will surprise us this summer, after all, if Jobs has one strength it is his ability to think outside the box.
The PowerPC roadmap certianly alures to this...and I don't see a reason why not to call it that. 5 is greater than 4 on the Pentium front. People automatically know that G5 is better than G4, just as they know G4 is better than G3.
The way Apple has been releasing new products recently makes it hard for anyone outside the corporation to be certain what will happen at MWNY. Most rumors currently seem based on very little inside information (are they ever); but guessing, and wishing, are rampant.
My GUESS is that there will be no G5 in the sense of an entirely new chip, for the foreseeable future. My GUESS is that there will be a speed bump, probably around 25 percent but maybe as much as 50 percent. I would also GUESS that there will be some archetecture changes.
I KNOW that whatever is released at MWNY, or at anytime for that matter, many of us will not be satisfied. A 5GHz chip, 2TB of XDR RAM, 50 TB holographic ROM, and LaserWire would have people complaining that it is too little and asking where is the floppy drive. Others would complain that the machine they bought yesterday (or three years ago) is now out of date.
I look at Apple kind of like I look at the weather; it is hardly ever good enough, and we always want something "better". It is in our nature.
The 8500 processor the author there makes reference to is an embeded processor for high speed routers. and as he may or may not know... there are literaly dozens of sibling 85xx processors. None of which are meant for the same tasks. The list he references tops out at 600Mhz. For a router processor that chip is extremely impressive. Duel integrated gigabit ethernet contollers, rapid I/O technology. As a router engine that sucker could probably sturate a lowend OC class connection fairly easilly. :eek: But, that doesn't mean that one of the 8500 series processors isn't being developed for Apple. In fact from what I read on the processor page, I'm fairly certain of that.
One day I'll get around to making a webpage that looks official, well-informed and technically accurate. I'll point Google at it and then I'll be famous and my page of fiction will be quoted and used as the basis for all sorts of wild speculation. People seem to take the printed word as gospel entirely too often.
As you can see on p. 16 it was also to sport increased integration, i.e. memory controller, etc. Although Book E-compliant, the 8450 doesn't look like the successor to the 7450 due to its lacking FPU and altivec, which Motorola seems to be commited to, therefore: they must have been working on a G5 then and most probably still are, given that otherwise they wouldn't have a follow-up to the 7450 and thus no roadmap, something which I am convinced would not have compelled Cisco to use the 7450 as anounced on July 30th, 2001. Actually the Cisco win especially in conjunction with the impact that altivec made on the decision (can't find my source, oh well, trust me, I'm a doctor ) tells me that Motorola *has* to have plans to improve their altivec-enabled PPCs, since I'm sure Cisco wouldn't want to program their stuff once for the 7450 and then dump it with their next set of yet-to-be-developed next generation routers. The only thing that might have gotten nixed would be Motorola's plan to tout their progress and future plans as they did with the G4 - we all know how much good THAT did in the long run.
AND, as for the G5, perhaps all the emphasis on it that you see on the AI boards and other rumor sites is because we're all so caught up in linear thinking: after the G4 must come the G5. Maybe Apple will surprise us this summer, after all, if Jobs has one strength it is his ability to think outside the box.
<strong>One day I'll get around to making a webpage that looks official, well-informed and technically accurate. I'll point Google at it and then I'll be famous and my page of fiction will be quoted and used as the basis for all sorts of wild speculation. People seem to take the printed word as gospel entirely too often.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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<strong>IMHO making predictions at this point is for fools. It looks like anything could happen. According to the rampant speculation on these boards the next-gen Mac processor could be any of:
...
- Tiny little green people using nanotech abacuses inside a matchbox.</strong><hr></blockquote>
LMAO! What kind of bus will they use?
Screw the G5, we've got TLGPUNAIM!
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
why would someone even allude to a source? it can only mean bad things for everyone involved. either you believe the person or you don't. what difference does it make if the person says that their source is their second cousin or whatever? some people have inside information and they're not likely to tell you who told them just because you asked.<hr></blockquote>
Lighten up. Did you really think I was serious (I might know his brother-in-law)? Well, i was half serious, in that I was curious to see if this had appeared in anyhere in print. But looking for scholarship on a rumor site, now that would be something. (Not to detract from the intelligence of some of the posts on these boards.)
[quote] :Lemon Bon Bon:
p-TRASH?
Ya don't say...<hr></blockquote>
Don't say I never gave you anything!
BTW, you can infer that I'm the Pakistani variant of white trash, and I can infer that your favorite candies, being a Brit, are lemon bon bons.
AND, as for the G5, perhaps all the emphasis on it that you see on the AI boards and other rumor sites is because we're all so caught up in linear thinking: after the G4 must come the G5. Maybe Apple will surprise us this summer, after all, if Jobs has one strength it is his ability to think outside the box.
[ 05-19-2002: Message edited by: Ptrash ]</p>
<strong>AND, as for the G5, perhaps all the emphasis on it that you see on the AI boards and other rumor sites is because we're all so caught up in linear thinking: after the G4 must come the G5. Maybe Apple will surprise us this summer, after all, if Jobs has one strength it is his ability to think outside the box.
[ 05-19-2002: Message edited by: Ptrash ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
The PowerPC roadmap certianly alures to this...and I don't see a reason why not to call it that. 5 is greater than 4 on the Pentium front. People automatically know that G5 is better than G4, just as they know G4 is better than G3.
My GUESS is that there will be no G5 in the sense of an entirely new chip, for the foreseeable future. My GUESS is that there will be a speed bump, probably around 25 percent but maybe as much as 50 percent. I would also GUESS that there will be some archetecture changes.
I KNOW that whatever is released at MWNY, or at anytime for that matter, many of us will not be satisfied. A 5GHz chip, 2TB of XDR RAM, 50 TB holographic ROM, and LaserWire would have people complaining that it is too little and asking where is the floppy drive. Others would complain that the machine they bought yesterday (or three years ago) is now out of date.
I look at Apple kind of like I look at the weather; it is hardly ever good enough, and we always want something "better". It is in our nature.
<strong>The only thing I have ever seen is here: <a href="http://www.geek.com/procspec/apple/g5.htm"; target="_blank">http://www.geek.com/procspec/apple/g5.htm</a></strong><hr></blockquote>;
The 8500 processor the author there makes reference to is an embeded processor for high speed routers. and as he may or may not know... there are literaly dozens of sibling 85xx processors. None of which are meant for the same tasks. The list he references tops out at 600Mhz. For a router processor that chip is extremely impressive. Duel integrated gigabit ethernet contollers, rapid I/O technology. As a router engine that sucker could probably sturate a lowend OC class connection fairly easilly. :eek: But, that doesn't mean that one of the 8500 series processors isn't being developed for Apple. In fact from what I read on the processor page, I'm fairly certain of that.
<a href="http://http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/SNDFH1112.pdf"; target="_blank">smart networks developer forum presentation</a>
As you can see on p. 16 it was also to sport increased integration, i.e. memory controller, etc. Although Book E-compliant, the 8450 doesn't look like the successor to the 7450 due to its lacking FPU and altivec, which Motorola seems to be commited to, therefore: they must have been working on a G5 then and most probably still are, given that otherwise they wouldn't have a follow-up to the 7450 and thus no roadmap, something which I am convinced would not have compelled Cisco to use the 7450 as anounced on July 30th, 2001. Actually the Cisco win especially in conjunction with the impact that altivec made on the decision (can't find my source, oh well, trust me, I'm a doctor
<strong>According to the rampant speculation on these boards the next-gen Mac processor could be any of:
- Intel Merced
- AMD fabbed Moto G5's
- IBM fabbed Power4 derivatives
- a Transmeta chip that speaks PPC
- a 5 gHz StrongARM
- a 2 gHz 68090 with SuperFPU? technology
- Tiny little green people using nanotech abacuses inside a matchbox.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thanks for the good laugh, I needed it!
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AND, as for the G5, perhaps all the emphasis on it that you see on the AI boards and other rumor sites is because we're all so caught up in linear thinking: after the G4 must come the G5. Maybe Apple will surprise us this summer, after all, if Jobs has one strength it is his ability to think outside the box.
[ 05-19-2002: Message edited by: Ptrash ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
The H37, baby. It's gonna rock!
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Seriously, from a marketing standpoint, it makes sense to follow the progression.
ala
Pentium 1, 2, 3, 4
<strong>One day I'll get around to making a webpage that looks official, well-informed and technically accurate. I'll point Google at it and then I'll be famous and my page of fiction will be quoted and used as the basis for all sorts of wild speculation. People seem to take the printed word as gospel entirely too often.</strong><hr></blockquote>
...er...spymac?