Death threats against Bono - Right Wing against the poor
Bono has been receiving death threats for his efforts in reducing poverty around the world, especially in third world countries.
How low can the Irish Rightists go? This is unacceptable. But unfortunately, it is a sign about how many of the world's right-wing economists regard the poor. They are considered lazy and detrimental to the world economy. This is Reaganomics brought to the worst-case scenario. Not the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer -- more like "Let the poor starve themselves, then there'll be more left over for the rest of us."
How low can the Irish Rightists go? This is unacceptable. But unfortunately, it is a sign about how many of the world's right-wing economists regard the poor. They are considered lazy and detrimental to the world economy. This is Reaganomics brought to the worst-case scenario. Not the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer -- more like "Let the poor starve themselves, then there'll be more left over for the rest of us."
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however, I also think that there are many conservatives who honestly and unrepentantly believe what you said "let the poor starve its more for us". Malthusianism and a kind of twisted sense of "realism" that can only believe that what is true is what is harsh.
But then again there are many leftist who believe: "lets hang the rich by their chaines'' --equally misguided in my book
A few questions. How many death threats? Do we know if he's been targeted by some group?
I ask because, in case you hadn't noticed, he's extremely famous. Famous people get death threats a lot--we need to know more to tell if this is indicative of some right-wing hate thing.
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So far, 24 letters - full of vile abuse, foul language, racial insults and death threats - have been intercepted. All were sent from London.
Originally posted by tonton
Bono has been receiving death threats for his efforts in reducing poverty around the world, especially in third world countries.
How low can the Irish Rightists go? This is unacceptable. But unfortunately, it is a sign about how many of the world's right-wing economists regard the poor. They are considered lazy and detrimental to the world economy. This is Reaganomics brought to the worst-case scenario. Not the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer -- more like "Let the poor starve themselves, then there'll be more left over for the rest of us."
I disagree 100%
I had a discussion with a left winger of German origin in person over dinner and I brought up the issue of aids and how we are going to see the loss of whole fraction of the world population.
He thought he was intelligent and smart by saying: I don't see that as a bad thing. The world is over-populated he said.
I went on to say. I disagree with your ideas.
He is about 48 and sat just across the table from me and I held my own with him and let him know how I did not accept his idea.
I will not not shy away from world issues and my idea of human dignity that I believe in.
This person was very serious about his view and I believe he seems to me to take real issue with Christian views of Humanity and the humanities.
So before you go on with broad strokes
consider those on the left
Some really make me sick and some I admire
Not all of any group is any such way 100%
Fellowship
Originally posted by tonton
Bono has been receiving death threats for his efforts in reducing poverty around the world, especially in third world countries.
How low can the Irish Rightists go? This is unacceptable. But unfortunately, it is a sign about how many of the world's right-wing economists regard the poor. They are considered lazy and detrimental to the world economy. This is Reaganomics brought to the worst-case scenario. Not the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer -- more like "Let the poor starve themselves, then there'll be more left over for the rest of us."
First, there are no "Irish Rightists". I'm assuming in this case that you're referring to Ulster Unionists. And second, to reduce the Northern Irish conflict to an issue of "rightists" versus "leftists" is quite an oversimplification. Oh, and third, these "Irish Rightists" aren't rightist in the economic sense, only in the I-want-to-maintain-total-control-over-you sense.
This business of "holding your own," tricky tricky stuff... For all the hope, love, grace, tolerance you claim, a part of the personality comes through: a feeling of being threatened, assailed, vigorously permeates your arguments... coupled with an at time blind certainty... it makes for righteous bullies.
People are offended by you not because of what you say; whether they read it consciously or not, they see you as the seed of something totalitarian like, a tyrant in all but the power.
That's another form of paranoid reaction, most of would be tyrants never become tyrants, but the ones who do...
You are no so different than your friends on the left.
Originally posted by Matsu
FCiB, I find your certainty troubling, even on the odd occasion when I agree with you. Though I have learned (been conditioned?) to enjoy doubt a bit more than most, mebbe.
This business of "holding your own," tricky tricky stuff... For all the hope, love, grace, tolerance you claim, a part of the personality comes through: a feeling of being threatened, assailed, vigorously permeates your arguments... coupled with an at time blind certainty... it makes for righteous bullies.
People are offended by you not because of what you say; whether they read it consciously or not, they see you as the seed of something totalitarian like, a tyrant in all but the power.
That's another form of paranoid reaction, most of would be tyrants never become tyrants, but the ones who do...
You are no so different than your friends on the left.
Not at all Matsu
I never will and never have had a desire to impose my ideas onto others. What I simply do is hold my own. Nothing wrong with that in a world with a bunch of folks who are push over sheep.
I just remember what happened back in Europe about 50 years ago and opinions like the guy I mentioned above holds worry me.
It is my desire to help those with aids in this world no matter their economic condition. I am a humanist in the sense that I believe in serving humanity. I do not believe human life is cheap.
Everything has a price and all I do in my little way is to share why I believe certain costs are worth the price.
I am a very moderate person and I am bothered by views from the far right and the far left.
Fellowship
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
Not at all Matsu
I just remember what happened back in Europe about 50 years ago and opinions like the guy I mentioned above holds worry me.
Fellowship
it reminds me of what's going on here today....in america i mean.
but in the last couple of years i understand how fear and hate can be used to stir the masses.
but in the last couple of years i understand how fear and hate can be used to stir the masses.
Attempting to draw any parallel between Nazi Germany and modern-USA is about as stupid as stupid gets.
It's more complicated than that, and anyway, Hitler is the totalitarian prototype, people see fundamentalism as a pre-stage to a hiltler.
Remember that Hitler was once a young artist, struggling, before he became hitler, he might have looked very much like Fellowship, or you, or me.
The socialists' clinical dismissal of a demografic is another face in the making of a tyrant, but it comes after something like what FCiB routinely displays, righteous anger, the worst kind, because it's righteous, and thus more convincing, thereafter it adopts an unforgiving logical frame, a set of reasons that become absolute, and absolutely justified, in their own terms.
I'd put you on a continuum to becoming that sort of person (put us all on that scale) like a Hilter. And I don't think it would be entirely impossible, if the right politics (the terms you favor) were presented and gaining power, to make you into one of the "nazis" who was a just a little too enthusiastic about his multiplying ideology.
You are not too different from your friends on the left or the right, or the extremes really.
Nazi's say, "If no one stands up the jews will ruin us."
Fundamnetalists say, "If we don't stand up, people will become nazis and ruin us, let us be nazis first."
Originally posted by groverat
skmdc:
Attempting to draw any parallel between Nazi Germany and modern-USA is about as stupid as stupid gets.
i didn't, i said i now understand it.
Originally posted by groverat
Attempting to draw any parallel between Nazi Germany and modern-USA is about as stupid as stupid gets.
is it really so far-fetched? sure, we aren't killing innocent Arabs. hell, i'm sure we aren't even imprisoning them without due process (oops). and there is an excess amount of fear and hate around Arabs and Islam, perhaps not more than before 911, but certainly more noticeable. we even started an unprovoked war against a sovereign nation, for the good of her inhabitants.
Originally posted by alcimedes
so, does London have a Right-Wing per-se as well?
Of course it does, the Tories ran the country (into the ground) for the best part of 20 years, the "British National Party" has been winning local council seats in Bradford - we near enough had our own Nazi party via Oswald Mosely in the 1930s.
The current Tory party leader is so anti-europe that he's suggested that the UK get out of the EU and join NAFTA.
Originally posted by groverat
skmdc:
Attempting to draw any parallel between Nazi Germany and modern-USA is about as stupid as stupid gets.
Donald Rumsfeld went on TV to draw parallels between Hitler, Ceucescu, Lenin, Stalin and Saddam Hussein. I don't think you can get much more stupid than that.
Though he could had thrown Mao Tsetong in there as well.
If you want to complain about Saddam and Bin Laden (for example) you should first consider who armed and supported them in the first place - against your perceived enemies at the time.
Originally posted by Clive
Donald Rumsfeld went on TV to draw parallels between Hitler, Ceucescu, Lenin, Stalin and Saddam Hussein. I don't think you can get much more stupid than that.
Though he could had thrown Mao Tsetong in there as well.
If you want to complain about Saddam and Bin Laden (for example) you should first consider who armed and supported them in the first place - against your perceived enemies at the time.
France? Germany? Italy? Russia? Saudi Arabia? China? Yes yes yes yes yes and yes.
is it really so far-fetched?
Yes, it is.
sure, we aren't killing innocent Arabs.
Is there anything new about this?
We're killing them in less numbers than we were before Dubya took office. Chew on that fact.
hell, i'm sure we aren't even imprisoning them without due process (oops).
Boy that didn't happen ever before! 800 = 6 million!
and there is an excess amount of fear and hate around Arabs and Islam, perhaps not more than before 911, but certainly more noticeable.
I haven't noticed anything, and I live in Texas.
We had a couple of people kill Arabs right after 9/11. Got any anti-Arab violence stats? Stories? Personal anecdotes?
we even started an unprovoked war against a sovereign nation, for the good of her inhabitants.
And this is related to Naziism... how?
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Clive:
Donald Rumsfeld went on TV to draw parallels between Hitler, Ceucescu, Lenin, Stalin and Saddam Hussein. I don't think you can get much more stupid than that.
Well since Hussein was a ruthless dictator who had tens of thousands of political opponents killed and hundreds of thousands "disappeared" I don't see how that's nearly as stupid.
You honestly think Dubya is more closely related to Hitler than Hussein?
Why not stay in the Mac-specific areas of the board and keep your stupidity there, eh?