Why don't we cut out the middle man and just have a HD that clips onto your belt that plugs directly into the brain? Every function controlled through simple brain waves.
Because the iSight is much more than a toy and will prove to be an incredibly useful tool (in conjunction with iChat) in the very near future.
Given the global business world in which we deal, this has taken the often complex and expensive operation of videoconferencing and turned it into a virtual afterthought overnight.
You just haven't used a PocketPC recently, that is your short coming
Yes we have. They offer much and deliver little, plus battery life is laughable.
I'm pro Apple PDA but it must run full OS X (perhaps with a lite aqua) or it suffers from the fate of smartphones and other PDAs, specialised apps and not enough developers.
Really? I cant think of one good reason why this over priced clipboard would be useful.
I have to disagree from my point of view. I think tablets are a long way from being any kind of desktop replacements much like laptops were in the 80's, however I can imagine 10-15 years in the future when they're as thin or maybe even thinner than a TiBook, have 10+ hour battery life, 99.9% accurate handwriting recognition, built in wireless, etc.
I really envy students that'll have these. Right now, I have to take notes on paper in class, and whenever I'm combing back through them for study guides or homework, I think, "It'd be great to have 'Find' for this." Going to the library you can scribble down what's on a page and file it away by author or book name instead of making handwritten copies or paying to make xerox copies. Working in study groups, instead of telling everyone what you have for an answer or a note, just highlight it and beam it to everyone sitting around you through Bluetooth or whatever the standard is. I could probably think of alot more school related things if I sat down and thought it out more.
Most of these things can be done on the computer, but not with the finish that I envision, and you also have to keep in mind that most people are fairly horrible at typing, but almost all people can write quickly.
As mentioned above, tablets for use in art are also full of potential. Gabe of Penny Arcade does all of his strips on a tablet and seems to love it. Other examples given have been good, imo. I can only speak from a student's point of view, tho.
The tablet is the next step of computing, imo, but not until it's more of a true high power combination of a computer and a sheet of paper. The current laptop/pda-esque motif with a standard desktop OS thrown into it is a mess...reminds me of early DOS based systems.
i bought a PocketPC and was very disapointed, i accually sold it because i hated it that much, not because i have something against microsoft products and their operating systems (the pocketpc operating system was pretty good) but they just suck, and the PPC one does too, it is cool at first, but it just doesnt work good
I don't think Apple is interested in creating products that are money losers. THe technology that goes into creating Tablets is just too expensive. The profit margins aren't high enough. The profit margins are huge with iPods. And the iSight filled a gaping hole in the Macworld... an integrated webcam that didn't suck.
I think Apple will continue to produce new and innovative products... but they're not going to try to create niches for themselves. They will fill in the gaps when needed though.
I don't care what Apple does with tablet computing, it can't replace the clipboard.
I don't care what Apple does with computers, they can't replace the typewriter.
Maybe if you earned your living through the Mac as I do, you'd appreciate the value of a tablet. But as a computer hobbiest, the concept is understandably lost on you.
Since you've chosen to resort to childish rants and misspelled insults, Mr. Bladder Control, I leave you to your Luddite opinions. Good day.
I can't decide what my thoughts are on the MacTablet. So excuse me while I throw my thoughts around.
One the one hand a largish (15") tablet (Newton for the new millenium) sounds nice for students taking notes in classes, various types of professionals who like to take them to meetings for notes and drawings. I would be awesome to have an electronic pad to write and draw on. Add simultaneous audio recording so that you can go back later and write down what you missed. Offcourse, airport contect it with the speakers files and this would make for a perfect digital world. This all sounds great, but I can imagine that price would make or break it. Maybe professionals can aford a Tablet to go with their desktop and portable. However, students with a limited budget would either opt for the portable or eMac/iMac. Although, I guess if they sold a separte keyboard it would work. Still, the price would have to below an iBook otherwise why bother? I just don't know if a large screen could be had for such a low price.
That leads me to the other tablet idea that I've heard about. That is a smaller screened version something at most as big as a newton or smaller. I guess this would try to fit the bill of a super PDA/video iPod. This also sounds great if you can use it to store digital photos while on vaction or maybe even some DV with the higher capacity hard drives. A very-protable portable, with more capabilities than a simple PDA but without the bulk of an iBook. I don't see why a small tablet couldn't do the things I mentioned above as well, just without the extra screen real estate. The smaller version I think makes more sense to me because I can see that the price could be kept down well below an iBook. It would have less processing power than an iBook to keep it cheap and aford it long battery life. I would love if it could stiull run a simple version of OSX. I can imagine developers having great loads of fun coming out with simple apps for such a device. Apple iNotes (dreamware) could be used to sync with your main computer for better processing and editing of your notes etc. Imagine if the note-taking program ran with audio recording. You download the file and the voice transcript is translated (I know we are not quite there yet) and the app gives you a view of your notes side-by-side (defined by the recording time) with the translated speach.
I heard they're bringing FileMaker back in-house. I can imagine the use of File Maker in making a lot of those things Ensign Pulver suggested happen. Tie it in with MacOffice and make a full frontal assault on the business community. Gloves off.
OK, thanks for bearing with me. I've convinced myself that a Tablet could work, if the price is low enough. I guess I favor the mini version, since I don't think the maxi version could offer value above that of an iBook/Powerbook.
That was a well thought out counterpoint gcarswell.
The market for a tablet is there, just not for a crappy tablet. The uses of a tablet along with wireless connections (802.11g and Bluetooth) are almost boundless, but the technology isn't there yet and probably won't be there for quite a while.
I'm willing to bet that it, or something very close to it is the next step for non-games based computing. Once they can give it the 99.9% accurate handwriting recognition, long battery life, small size, minimal or no heat, a robust OS and instant on capability...then tablets will be effective. Sitting here saying there's no market, or it'll never work, or whatever is very short sighted. The same could be said for computers in the 70's, laptops in the 80's, PDA's before the late 90's...I mean do you really think we're either going to be on a laptop or a desktop until we fall over from old age decades from now?
If I'm still sitting in front of a desktop or a laptop in 15 years, I'll eat my hat.
Maybe you should page back and read Ensign Pulver's extremely well articulated reasoning for why a Mac Tablet could have an appeal.
As to the people claiming the Tablet PC has failed, they're simply looking at the wrong data. Certainly, it's not taking over from traditional laptop sales, and the average Joe isn't buying them, but the vertical solutions market is buying them by the truckload.
Even in Australia. I've been in touch with the newly established distributor of Motion Computing's Tablet PC...
(I want a Tablet, but I don't believe Apple will make one for a few years, so I figure the next best thing is to get the pretty well designed Motion Computing one, and then I can also use it running Timbuktu to control my Mac(s) over 802.11b wireless.)
... Appararently they've been flying off the shelves as soon as they come into the country, even with a significant import premium. And this is Australia.
Who's buying them? The very sorts of industries Ensign Pulver writes about. Really, you should page back and read what he says, he gets it. So should Apple. And they'll have to, eventually.
Walking around with a Tablet isn't that much more convient then carrying a laptop. I have done it. Again a PDA will do this much better and much more convenient.
I walk around a large manufacturing plant 50% of my day. I can't use a notebook standing up. Call me uncoordinated. Besides, it would look ridiculous balancing a note book with one hand and single digit typing with the other.
I would happily pay for a Tablet (an Apple Tablet, of course) that worked. I may well be the only element of the market, but I'm here.
I'd love a Mac PDA too, but until Steve purchases Palm, I don't think that's going to happen.
Anyone know about when Palm OS 6 will be released ?
I think that you are wrong. I used a Newton long after Steve killed the platform and I was extremely productive. Instant recall of project information, 100% accurate handwriting recognition, Instantly available typed notes of meetings, a Tablet will kick major ass. Everyone who has a notepad of paper is the market. When they see their co-workers (read their competition) with Tablets that work, you will see them take off.
If Tablet threads cause you such anger, then avoid them. \
I don't care what Apple does with computers, they can't replace the typewriter.
Maybe if you earned your living through the Mac as I do, you'd appreciate the value of a tablet. But as a computer hobbiest, the concept is understandably lost on you.
Since you've chosen to resort to childish rants and misspelled insults, Mr. Bladder Control, I leave you to your Luddite opinions. Good day.
I think only childish thing here is your reasoning. Misspelled insults? "Smartass"? well excuse me Miss Spellchecker, I forgot the hyphen.
I am not oppose to any new technology, I want technology that works and Tablet Mac is not something that needs to work, because there is no need for them. I am being practical, I don't have any grandiose dream of tablet utopia where people walk around with thin tablet that can communicate wirelessly.
First of all don't make assumptions, because it goes to show you don't know jack squat. I do make my living working with Macintosh, I fix them. And how many time do I have to tell the users to be careful when they take their laptop home with them. And how many time do I have to send it back to Apple because they spilt coffee, Juice or who know what on them. So I know what I have to deal with, its hardware. Not only do I use Mac but I have to support PC users as well. So I have to do twice as much to worry about then you.
And where I work, giant commercial printer, I know something about clipboards and walking around with them and taking inventory of computers and supplies. And we barcode all of the computers, you know why? because its so much cheaper to use a Barcode reader rather then a Laptop or any other computer device. And what is on that clipboard, the map of the plant. so I can quickly know where I have to go and where I have already finished my inventory. Now if I have a Tablet Mac, it would be so impractical and dangerous for the machine.
And its funny for you to say "I don't understand the concept" I know the concept and I am telling you your concept is flawed. You are so in love with your stupid idea that you fail to realize that this is not going to work. I'm just being a realist, sorry to pop you balloon.
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Yes we have. They offer much and deliver little, plus battery life is laughable.
I'm pro Apple PDA but it must run full OS X (perhaps with a lite aqua) or it suffers from the fate of smartphones and other PDAs, specialised apps and not enough developers.
Thats where Apple's knowledge and knowhow would come in handy. If you had a handheld device that was size of iPod and had the power to run a Full desktop app thru VNC or some sort of Citrix like applications, would you use one? or Would you use a Tablet computer that lacked the power to run the Apps at full speed, got hot, and is heavy and had short battery life?
This arguing about non existent product is silly anyway. But to actually wanting one for silly reasons, its even sillier.
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Maybe you should page back and read Ensign Pulver's extremely well articulated reasoning for why a Mac Tablet could have an appeal.
All of his reasoning was flawed.
Again if Apple Made a PDA that could supplement your computer rather then making a product like Tablet PC, it would sell much better. It could be Platform independent like iPod.
If tablet PC accounts for 1.5 percent of portable PCs sold, what would Tablet Mac be like. Especially when Apple doesn't even have a toehold in any of the market other then Graphic/Design. And I am pretty sure these guys don't need or want an underpowered Laptop wanna be.
.... Less people do it, less software, less popular platform.
I have nothing to add right (and really, given the insightful comments, what more can be said?), but just wanted to correct this statement. In fact, Palm OS is more widely used than Macs are. There have been more Palm OS devices sold than Macs (Palm alone has sold more than 25 million devices, which is about the same number of Macs ever sold). Makes sense, considering the price difference. As far as developing programs, it is not that difficult, the OS is not complicated like OS X or Windows. I would much prefer to program for Palm OS than Windows Mobile or CE or whatever MS is calling it today.
I skipped a few posts. Sorry if I say something that has already been said, but it seems every one putting up a negative post is thinking pretty small here. I've been saying Apple should intro a tablet style computer for a few years, and I still say it's a worthy cause.
I'm not saying a PDA, or a Newton. Just take an existing notebook 15" PowerBook, and give it swivel screen. About two years ago I said Apple should buy the design rights to the Vadem Clio, but now the Clio looks a little outdated.
Back on subject. If Apple added a swivel screen, and you didn't need the tablet, or want to use it as a tablet you would not know the difference. On the other hand, I say that everyone that used it as a notepad once, or tried the old (but updated) Newton handwriting recognition you would see that it is truly a worthy addition. I think it should be bundled with Alias Sketchbook Pro IMO, but that's just an app that I could put to use on a daily basis. I'm sure you (we all) could think of 1001 + uses for a bluetooth enabled tablet/notebook, but I say again. IF you didn't feel the need to use it : it probably wouldn't bother you just for being another available feature now would it?
At least Pulver has been using reasoning, you've just been spouting anecdotal opinions: "I don't like Tablets, therefore there can't possibly be a market for them."
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Originally posted by I.P.Freely
Again if Apple Made a PDA that could supplement your computer rather then making a product like Tablet PC, it would sell much better. It could be Platform independent like iPod.
The problem with an Apple PDA, unless it was a re-badged Palm (in which case, what's the point?), is that it would need Yet Another OS (tm). This has the serious downsides of:
- needing a huge R&D investment by Appke,
- would be another API for developers to decide over jumping on board.
The beauty of a tablet is that it would run a slightly extended Mac OS X off the bat, along with over very powerful 6000 apps...
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Originally posted by I.P.Freely
If tablet PC accounts for 1.5 percent of portable PCs sold, what would Tablet Mac be like.
I think there'd be more than 1.5 percent of Mac users keen on ANY Apple product they brought out! (Half this forum has bought an iSight already.)
But in any case, if VERY conservatively only 1.5% of Mac OS X users (7 million according to the WWDC keynote), that would still sell more Tablet Macs than the Cube...
Time for the picture again (to give Johnny Ive inspiration for his Mac Tablet design):
[B]At least Pulver has been using reasoning, you've just been spouting anecdotal opinions: "I don't like Tablets, therefore there can't possibly be a market for them."
I didn't say I don't like Tablets, it would be nice to have such a device. but there are no uses for them. All of you think you can use such a device but you are fooling yourselves. Its a very small market. Its not a useful item, just because you think it would be cool to have.
You tell where the market is? Just because you build a device it will not create that market. Stop dreaming!
For every possible reason there is a very valid reason why it would not work.
I have nothing against Tablet Mac. But being a realist I can't possible see who would buy it. I said this originally. if 10% of the Macintosh market buys the device, that would still be only 10% of the 5% market. That is not going to make Apple want to develop this machine.
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The problem with an Apple PDA, unless it was a re-badged Palm (in which case, what's the point?), is that it would need Yet Another OS (tm). This has the serious downsides of:
- needing a huge R&D investment by Appke,
- would be another API for developers to decide over jumping on board.
You can have a linux on a PDA.
But if Apple can create a PDA that can be sold to any computer user, Windows, Mac or Linux or BSD, that can offer more then what Palm or PocketPC deliver, wouldn't that be worth the R&D.
If you were to make the TabletMac it would have limited appeal to limited amount of people in a already small market.
Its already hard to convince people to use a Mac, how hard would it be to convince a Hospital, warehouse or any industry that is based on a Windows world, to switch to a new platform just so your employees can carry around a $1000+ equipment that can easily be destroyed. Oh and my the way, you have to integrated into your system. And how do I know this. I live it every other day. When I have to convince an executive to let someone in Publishing dept. purchase a Mac Laptop. So I am coming from real world situation and all of you are in a grand delusional world, where you think just showing a product to a IT manger will convince them to invest money into.
Anecdotal? No my delusional fellow poster, its called reality. When you base reality against pipe dream, the reasoning become flawed.
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No laptop.
No tablet.
No pda.
Zen.
Originally posted by bryan.fury
i dunno ...
if people are willing to pay $149 forthis
Because the iSight is much more than a toy and will prove to be an incredibly useful tool (in conjunction with iChat) in the very near future.
Given the global business world in which we deal, this has taken the often complex and expensive operation of videoconferencing and turned it into a virtual afterthought overnight.
You just haven't used a PocketPC recently, that is your short coming
Yes we have. They offer much and deliver little, plus battery life is laughable.
I'm pro Apple PDA but it must run full OS X (perhaps with a lite aqua) or it suffers from the fate of smartphones and other PDAs, specialised apps and not enough developers.
If I can code for it, I'll buy it.
Really? I cant think of one good reason why this over priced clipboard would be useful.
I have to disagree from my point of view. I think tablets are a long way from being any kind of desktop replacements much like laptops were in the 80's, however I can imagine 10-15 years in the future when they're as thin or maybe even thinner than a TiBook, have 10+ hour battery life, 99.9% accurate handwriting recognition, built in wireless, etc.
I really envy students that'll have these. Right now, I have to take notes on paper in class, and whenever I'm combing back through them for study guides or homework, I think, "It'd be great to have 'Find' for this."
Most of these things can be done on the computer, but not with the finish that I envision, and you also have to keep in mind that most people are fairly horrible at typing, but almost all people can write quickly.
As mentioned above, tablets for use in art are also full of potential. Gabe of Penny Arcade does all of his strips on a tablet and seems to love it. Other examples given have been good, imo. I can only speak from a student's point of view, tho.
The tablet is the next step of computing, imo, but not until it's more of a true high power combination of a computer and a sheet of paper. The current laptop/pda-esque motif with a standard desktop OS thrown into it is a mess...reminds me of early DOS based systems.
Steve said 'no tablet'.
If not...then what? We were promised more DLDs.
iPod. iSight (no underwater camera, no 'iBrows' smirk...).
Some multimedia device? Small enough/big enough?
No vPod. Steve doesn't seem to like the idea of small video.
I kinda think Apple is up to something.
I'd like it to be a tablet. A large one where I can paint on the screen for PS work.
'Only Apple'. Steve hinted that it was 'only half way' through 2003. What else does the master showman have up his sleeve?
Lemon Bon Bon
One online pub is claiming that Quanta is claiming they've been contracted to build a 15" tablet.
http://www.taiwanhightech.com/thtnew...theorders.html
I think Apple will continue to produce new and innovative products... but they're not going to try to create niches for themselves. They will fill in the gaps when needed though.
Originally posted by I.P.Freely
I don't care what Apple does with tablet computing, it can't replace the clipboard.
I don't care what Apple does with computers, they can't replace the typewriter.
Maybe if you earned your living through the Mac as I do, you'd appreciate the value of a tablet. But as a computer hobbiest, the concept is understandably lost on you.
Since you've chosen to resort to childish rants and misspelled insults, Mr. Bladder Control, I leave you to your Luddite opinions. Good day.
One the one hand a largish (15") tablet (Newton for the new millenium) sounds nice for students taking notes in classes, various types of professionals who like to take them to meetings for notes and drawings. I would be awesome to have an electronic pad to write and draw on. Add simultaneous audio recording so that you can go back later and write down what you missed. Offcourse, airport contect it with the speakers files and this would make for a perfect digital world. This all sounds great, but I can imagine that price would make or break it. Maybe professionals can aford a Tablet to go with their desktop and portable. However, students with a limited budget would either opt for the portable or eMac/iMac. Although, I guess if they sold a separte keyboard it would work. Still, the price would have to below an iBook otherwise why bother? I just don't know if a large screen could be had for such a low price.
That leads me to the other tablet idea that I've heard about. That is a smaller screened version something at most as big as a newton or smaller. I guess this would try to fit the bill of a super PDA/video iPod. This also sounds great if you can use it to store digital photos while on vaction or maybe even some DV with the higher capacity hard drives. A very-protable portable, with more capabilities than a simple PDA but without the bulk of an iBook. I don't see why a small tablet couldn't do the things I mentioned above as well, just without the extra screen real estate. The smaller version I think makes more sense to me because I can see that the price could be kept down well below an iBook. It would have less processing power than an iBook to keep it cheap and aford it long battery life. I would love if it could stiull run a simple version of OSX. I can imagine developers having great loads of fun coming out with simple apps for such a device. Apple iNotes (dreamware) could be used to sync with your main computer for better processing and editing of your notes etc. Imagine if the note-taking program ran with audio recording. You download the file and the voice transcript is translated (I know we are not quite there yet) and the app gives you a view of your notes side-by-side (defined by the recording time) with the translated speach.
I heard they're bringing FileMaker back in-house. I can imagine the use of File Maker in making a lot of those things Ensign Pulver suggested happen. Tie it in with MacOffice and make a full frontal assault on the business community. Gloves off.
OK, thanks for bearing with me. I've convinced myself that a Tablet could work, if the price is low enough. I guess I favor the mini version, since I don't think the maxi version could offer value above that of an iBook/Powerbook.
They're not going to make one!
Even if they did NO ONE would buy one!
Not even PC USERS buy them!
Let it go...move on
The market for a tablet is there, just not for a crappy tablet. The uses of a tablet along with wireless connections (802.11g and Bluetooth) are almost boundless, but the technology isn't there yet and probably won't be there for quite a while.
I'm willing to bet that it, or something very close to it is the next step for non-games based computing. Once they can give it the 99.9% accurate handwriting recognition, long battery life, small size, minimal or no heat, a robust OS and instant on capability...then tablets will be effective. Sitting here saying there's no market, or it'll never work, or whatever is very short sighted. The same could be said for computers in the 70's, laptops in the 80's, PDA's before the late 90's...I mean do you really think we're either going to be on a laptop or a desktop until we fall over from old age decades from now?
If I'm still sitting in front of a desktop or a laptop in 15 years, I'll eat my hat.
Originally posted by gcarswell
Enough with the Fu**in' tablet already!!!
They're not going to make one!
Even if they did NO ONE would buy one!
Not even PC USERS buy them!
Let it go...move on
And you came into this thread because...?
Maybe you should page back and read Ensign Pulver's extremely well articulated reasoning for why a Mac Tablet could have an appeal.
As to the people claiming the Tablet PC has failed, they're simply looking at the wrong data. Certainly, it's not taking over from traditional laptop sales, and the average Joe isn't buying them, but the vertical solutions market is buying them by the truckload.
Even in Australia. I've been in touch with the newly established distributor of Motion Computing's Tablet PC...
(I want a Tablet, but I don't believe Apple will make one for a few years, so I figure the next best thing is to get the pretty well designed Motion Computing one, and then I can also use it running Timbuktu to control my Mac(s) over 802.11b wireless.)
... Appararently they've been flying off the shelves as soon as they come into the country, even with a significant import premium. And this is Australia.
Who's buying them? The very sorts of industries Ensign Pulver writes about. Really, you should page back and read what he says, he gets it. So should Apple. And they'll have to, eventually.
Originally posted by I.P.Freely
Walking around with a Tablet isn't that much more convient then carrying a laptop. I have done it. Again a PDA will do this much better and much more convenient.
I walk around a large manufacturing plant 50% of my day. I can't use a notebook standing up. Call me uncoordinated. Besides, it would look ridiculous balancing a note book with one hand and single digit typing with the other.
I would happily pay for a Tablet (an Apple Tablet, of course) that worked. I may well be the only element of the market, but I'm here.
I'd love a Mac PDA too, but until Steve purchases Palm, I don't think that's going to happen.
Anyone know about when Palm OS 6 will be released ?
Aries 1B
Originally posted by gcarswell
Enough with the Fu**in' tablet already!!!
They're not going to make one!
Even if they did NO ONE would buy one!
Not even PC USERS buy them!
Let it go...move on
I think that you are wrong. I used a Newton long after Steve killed the platform and I was extremely productive. Instant recall of project information, 100% accurate handwriting recognition, Instantly available typed notes of meetings, a Tablet will kick major ass. Everyone who has a notepad of paper is the market. When they see their co-workers (read their competition) with Tablets that work, you will see them take off.
If Tablet threads cause you such anger, then avoid them.
Aries 1B
Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
I don't care what Apple does with computers, they can't replace the typewriter.
Maybe if you earned your living through the Mac as I do, you'd appreciate the value of a tablet. But as a computer hobbiest, the concept is understandably lost on you.
Since you've chosen to resort to childish rants and misspelled insults, Mr. Bladder Control, I leave you to your Luddite opinions. Good day.
I think only childish thing here is your reasoning. Misspelled insults? "Smartass"? well excuse me Miss Spellchecker, I forgot the hyphen.
I am not oppose to any new technology, I want technology that works and Tablet Mac is not something that needs to work, because there is no need for them. I am being practical, I don't have any grandiose dream of tablet utopia where people walk around with thin tablet that can communicate wirelessly.
First of all don't make assumptions, because it goes to show you don't know jack squat. I do make my living working with Macintosh, I fix them. And how many time do I have to tell the users to be careful when they take their laptop home with them. And how many time do I have to send it back to Apple because they spilt coffee, Juice or who know what on them. So I know what I have to deal with, its hardware. Not only do I use Mac but I have to support PC users as well. So I have to do twice as much to worry about then you.
And where I work, giant commercial printer, I know something about clipboards and walking around with them and taking inventory of computers and supplies. And we barcode all of the computers, you know why? because its so much cheaper to use a Barcode reader rather then a Laptop or any other computer device. And what is on that clipboard, the map of the plant. so I can quickly know where I have to go and where I have already finished my inventory. Now if I have a Tablet Mac, it would be so impractical and dangerous for the machine.
And its funny for you to say "I don't understand the concept" I know the concept and I am telling you your concept is flawed. You are so in love with your stupid idea that you fail to realize that this is not going to work. I'm just being a realist, sorry to pop you balloon.
Yes we have. They offer much and deliver little, plus battery life is laughable.
I'm pro Apple PDA but it must run full OS X (perhaps with a lite aqua) or it suffers from the fate of smartphones and other PDAs, specialised apps and not enough developers.
Thats where Apple's knowledge and knowhow would come in handy. If you had a handheld device that was size of iPod and had the power to run a Full desktop app thru VNC or some sort of Citrix like applications, would you use one? or Would you use a Tablet computer that lacked the power to run the Apps at full speed, got hot, and is heavy and had short battery life?
This arguing about non existent product is silly anyway. But to actually wanting one for silly reasons, its even sillier.
Maybe you should page back and read Ensign Pulver's extremely well articulated reasoning for why a Mac Tablet could have an appeal.
All of his reasoning was flawed.
Again if Apple Made a PDA that could supplement your computer rather then making a product like Tablet PC, it would sell much better. It could be Platform independent like iPod.
If tablet PC accounts for 1.5 percent of portable PCs sold, what would Tablet Mac be like. Especially when Apple doesn't even have a toehold in any of the market other then Graphic/Design. And I am pretty sure these guys don't need or want an underpowered Laptop wanna be.
Originally posted by Blackcat
.... Less people do it, less software, less popular platform.
I have nothing to add right (and really, given the insightful comments, what more can be said?), but just wanted to correct this statement. In fact, Palm OS is more widely used than Macs are. There have been more Palm OS devices sold than Macs (Palm alone has sold more than 25 million devices, which is about the same number of Macs ever sold). Makes sense, considering the price difference. As far as developing programs, it is not that difficult, the OS is not complicated like OS X or Windows. I would much prefer to program for Palm OS than Windows Mobile or CE or whatever MS is calling it today.
Anyway, carry on with your, uhh, discussion.
I'm not saying a PDA, or a Newton. Just take an existing notebook 15" PowerBook, and give it swivel screen. About two years ago I said Apple should buy the design rights to the Vadem Clio, but now the Clio looks a little outdated.
Back on subject. If Apple added a swivel screen, and you didn't need the tablet, or want to use it as a tablet you would not know the difference. On the other hand, I say that everyone that used it as a notepad once, or tried the old (but updated) Newton handwriting recognition you would see that it is truly a worthy addition. I think it should be bundled with Alias Sketchbook Pro IMO, but that's just an app that I could put to use on a daily basis. I'm sure you (we all) could think of 1001 + uses for a bluetooth enabled tablet/notebook, but I say again. IF you didn't feel the need to use it : it probably wouldn't bother you just for being another available feature now would it?
Originally posted by I.P.Freely
All of his reasoning was flawed.
At least Pulver has been using reasoning, you've just been spouting anecdotal opinions: "I don't like Tablets, therefore there can't possibly be a market for them."
Originally posted by I.P.Freely
Again if Apple Made a PDA that could supplement your computer rather then making a product like Tablet PC, it would sell much better. It could be Platform independent like iPod.
The problem with an Apple PDA, unless it was a re-badged Palm (in which case, what's the point?), is that it would need Yet Another OS (tm). This has the serious downsides of:
- needing a huge R&D investment by Appke,
- would be another API for developers to decide over jumping on board.
The beauty of a tablet is that it would run a slightly extended Mac OS X off the bat, along with over very powerful 6000 apps...
Originally posted by I.P.Freely
If tablet PC accounts for 1.5 percent of portable PCs sold, what would Tablet Mac be like.
I think there'd be more than 1.5 percent of Mac users keen on ANY Apple product they brought out! (Half this forum has bought an iSight already.)
But in any case, if VERY conservatively only 1.5% of Mac OS X users (7 million according to the WWDC keynote), that would still sell more Tablet Macs than the Cube...
Time for the picture again (to give Johnny Ive inspiration for his Mac Tablet design):
Come on Ive, you can do it!
Originally posted by michaelb
[B]At least Pulver has been using reasoning, you've just been spouting anecdotal opinions: "I don't like Tablets, therefore there can't possibly be a market for them."
I didn't say I don't like Tablets, it would be nice to have such a device. but there are no uses for them. All of you think you can use such a device but you are fooling yourselves. Its a very small market. Its not a useful item, just because you think it would be cool to have.
You tell where the market is? Just because you build a device it will not create that market. Stop dreaming!
For every possible reason there is a very valid reason why it would not work.
I have nothing against Tablet Mac. But being a realist I can't possible see who would buy it. I said this originally. if 10% of the Macintosh market buys the device, that would still be only 10% of the 5% market. That is not going to make Apple want to develop this machine.
The problem with an Apple PDA, unless it was a re-badged Palm (in which case, what's the point?), is that it would need Yet Another OS (tm). This has the serious downsides of:
- needing a huge R&D investment by Appke,
- would be another API for developers to decide over jumping on board.
You can have a linux on a PDA.
But if Apple can create a PDA that can be sold to any computer user, Windows, Mac or Linux or BSD, that can offer more then what Palm or PocketPC deliver, wouldn't that be worth the R&D.
If you were to make the TabletMac it would have limited appeal to limited amount of people in a already small market.
Its already hard to convince people to use a Mac, how hard would it be to convince a Hospital, warehouse or any industry that is based on a Windows world, to switch to a new platform just so your employees can carry around a $1000+ equipment that can easily be destroyed. Oh and my the way, you have to integrated into your system. And how do I know this. I live it every other day. When I have to convince an executive to let someone in Publishing dept. purchase a Mac Laptop. So I am coming from real world situation and all of you are in a grand delusional world, where you think just showing a product to a IT manger will convince them to invest money into.
Anecdotal? No my delusional fellow poster, its called reality. When you base reality against pipe dream, the reasoning become flawed.