Dusty Baker is not a very smart man. (Don't wanna get SUED ya know)

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  • Reply 21 of 54
    fran441fran441 Posts: 3,715member
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    At least the home run derby this year was surprisingly much more entertaining than previous years.



    On a side note, the Atlantic League Home Run Derby was right before the All Star Game, and the 'finalists' of the Home Run Derby got to represent their division in a Home Run Derby 'run off' if the game was tied going into extra innings. It gave meaning to the Home Run Derby and also would have solved the problem had there been a tie in the All Star Game.
  • Reply 22 of 54
    _ alliance __ alliance _ Posts: 2,070member
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    Originally posted by Eugene

    Managing *was* a big deal today, and it'll be a big deal next year too.



    I wanted to see Smoltz, Dontrelle and others too, but eh. Wagner only gave up one run, but Gagne's "I don't really care" quote rubs me the wrong way. Yeah, the Dodgers aren't going to the play-offs this year...don't blow it for the rest of the league!






    yes, managing was a big deal, but what i said what "over-managing wasn't a big deal." i didnt see dusty as over-managing, but merely putting ALL-STARS in the game. yeah, some of the best left before the AL's were yanked, but the subs were no scrubs. i found the trio of wagner, gagne, and smoltz to be a pretty intimidating bunch and dont question their use. yes, im upset that smoltz didnt get to pitch, but no one expected gagne to tank the way he did. you can say that he doesnt do well in the 8th inning and other bs, but the fact is, dusty did the right thing with 3 of the best relievers in the game. it's what just about any manager out there would have done. stop bitching--you could have jimy williams as your manager...



    oh, and Duck the Fodgers. damn dogs...
  • Reply 23 of 54
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
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    Originally posted by ironchef82

    If this all-star game now counts for something, then the game should be played as if it were game 7 of the world series. Starters stay in, starting pitchers go as long as they can, etc.



    In an actual Game 7, it's all or nothing since there are no games left to play after that. You don't leave your starters in. You hold any pitcher on a very tight leash because you know you've got a pen full of replacements...like Dontrelle, who none of the AL guys have face before...like Smoltz (who has a better OPP average but didn't play...) Dusty overused the bench and underused the bullpen.



    Years of watching Dusty's bench play have gotten to me... I mean, he made Sabean hang onto Marvin Benard, Ramon Martinez (who Dusty still can't let go of), etc. He's not all there...
  • Reply 24 of 54
    _ alliance __ alliance _ Posts: 2,070member
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    Originally posted by Eugene

    Marvin Benard





    but Maaaavin's initials are MLB. that should be worth something.

    and he was the only one to throw me a towel after Phil Nevin threw a bat that hit me in the head. because of that, i consider him a good guy and dont criticize too much despite his obvious flaws...
  • Reply 25 of 54
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    Originally posted by _ alliance _

    but Maaaavin's initials are MLB. that should be worth something.

    and he was the only one to throw me a towel after Phil Nevin threw a bat that hit me in the head. because of that, i consider him a good guy and dont criticize too much despite his obvious flaws...




    has any one else noticed the increase of bats flying in the stands?

    you got taken care of by stadium officials didn't you alliance? i mean more than marvin bernard throwing you a towel. did you get the bat?
  • Reply 26 of 54
    _ alliance __ alliance _ Posts: 2,070member
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    Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar

    has any one else noticed the increase of bats flying in the stands?

    you got taken care of by stadium officials didn't you alliance? i mean more than marvin bernard throwing you a towel. did you get the bat?






    yeah, but it was at a spring training game, so no one really gave a sh*t. if it was during the regular season, it would have been televised, and the team would have thrown money at the situation to make it go away. the giants players were concerned, but the angels players didnt care, and it was the angels' stadium. nevin didnt care at all, and only sent an appology a bit later after being forced to by the team's lawyers after we pressured the team. and i only got the bat because my dad and the other people around us kinda pressured the guy who ended up with it to give it to my dad. i got escorted by paramedics to st. lukes hospital in tempe, yet another ER visit throughout the country--i think i've gone to a dozen different ERs in my life...oh well...

    oh, and because of the laceration and orbital fracture, and the resulting psychological problems, my high school baseball career was effectively destroyed.

    the next day, i chatted with JT Snow and we compared injuries--he got his eye socket shattered the year before by a randy johnson fastball, so that was a nice conversation...
  • Reply 27 of 54
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
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    he got his eye socket shattered the year before by a randy johnson fastball, so that was a nice conversation...



    And didn't he have a career season that year? Maybe we should get Randy to bean hin in the face again this coming week.
  • Reply 28 of 54
    _ alliance __ alliance _ Posts: 2,070member
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    Originally posted by Eugene

    And didn't he have a career season that year? Maybe we should get Randy to bean hin in the face again this coming week.





    hey, JTs been doin alright this year--at least since coming back from the DL. he doesnt hit over 270, but his OBP is pretty damn high. and for what he does on defense, i dont complain about his overall abilities.
  • Reply 29 of 54
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
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    Originally posted by Fran441

    LOL. I've got NO problem putting future HOF on the team. I don't care if he's on the team on the merits that he's going to the Hall of Fame. But that's not what Bud Selig wanted to do. His goal was to make the game COUNT because he made a joke of the All Star game last year. So if the game was to COUNT, then under his plan, future HOF would not be a consideration.



    Clemens is having a mediocre year. Yes he got 300 and yes he got 4000. That being said, he is 8-6 and Zito deserved the spot more than he did.



    If you're going to make it so future Hall of Famers get an automatic spot on the team, then do it that way. I actually want them to do it that way. Leave room for the guys who deserve to be on the team 'one last time'. But to kick a player who is having a better season off of the team for somewhat bogus reasons is just stupid.



    It was Selig taking the manager's decision and saying, "No, you can't be here, we want this other guy who I think deserves it more instead" and basically wasting Zito's time. Is there a reason they could not have both been on the dang team?



    Seriously, the decisions that MLB are making are terrible. Interleague play is foolish, the All Star game is still a joke, and ticket prices continue to sky rocket as attendence continues to fall. Way to go MLB.




    Clemens is NOT having a mediocre year. He has been every bit as dominant as he has in the past. His record only shows half the story as often is the case. Clemens has gotten a lot of no decisions this season due to the Yankees horrible bullpen. He could easily have 11-12 wins if the bullpen didn't fail him so often. He also had a 1 hitter.



    They both were on the same "dang team". The only difference is Zitto was ineligible to pitch. He still suited up, he still went, his name was still announced, he still got to be an all-star.... he just was ineligible to pitch and considering he had pitched Sunday what the **** is wrong with that?
  • Reply 30 of 54
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
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    Originally posted by _ alliance _

    hey, JTs been doin alright this year--at least since coming back from the DL. he doesnt hit over 270, but his OBP is pretty damn high. and for what he does on defense, i dont complain about his overall abilities.



    Yeah, that's why he bats in the 2-hole. Another demerit for Dusty for not thinking about that and PLUS for Felipe Alou...Put some people on base ahead of Barry. OBP is a bleepin' important statistic.



    Felipe Alou rocks, but I keep thinking he's just gunna have a heart attack or stroke any day now and...How old is he? 68?
  • Reply 31 of 54
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    Baseball is for wussies. Is it hockey season yet?







    Kidding, kidding. I like to play, but I never watch anymore.
  • Reply 32 of 54
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    Originally posted by applenut

    Clemens is NOT having a mediocre year. He has been every bit as dominant as he has in the past. His record only shows half the story as often is the case. Clemens has gotten a lot of no decisions this season due to the Yankees horrible bullpen. He could easily have 11-12 wins if the bullpen didn't fail him so often...



    By that calculus Pedro deserves to be on the team a LOT more than Clemens.



    As for why Red Sox fans hate Roger read this and this.



    As Simmons says in the second article:

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    ... After signing with Toronto - and let there be no doubt, Clemens grabbed the highest offer - he didn't spend more than five seconds thanking the Boston fans in the "I'm fleeing for Canada even though I always said I would only play for Boston or Texas" press conference. Contrast that to Drew Bledsoe's departure last spring, when the former Pats QB (headed to Buffalo) took out a full-page ad in the Boston Globe thanking New England fans for their support. It's the little things, right? When you spend years of our life cheering for somebody, it's nice to know that they appreciated it. Maybe I'm crazy.



    Well, Clemens never threw us a bone. Thirteen years cheering for the guy, following every start, making excuses for him every time he choked in the playoffs or Dave Stewart kicked his rear end ... and in that (bleeping) press conference, he seemed like an office temp finishing out a two-week stint and moving on to a better job. Worst thing an athlete ever did to me. I haven't liked sports quite as much since...



    When Roger left for Toronto we heard again and again how he wanted a shot at a championship. That's why he chose Toronto. It wasn't about the money. Riiiight. OF COURSE IT WAS ABOUT THE MONEY!!!! And if he'd been straight, I would have been okay with that. If a championship ring had been more important to him than the money, he would have signed with Cleveland not Toronto. Back then Cleveland was one Roger Clemens away from going to the World Series. But they didn?t offer him as much money so...
  • Reply 33 of 54
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    Originally posted by Eugene

    In an actual Game 7, it's all or nothing since there are no games left to play after that. You don't leave your starters in. You hold any pitcher on a very tight leash because you know you've got a pen full of replacements...like Dontrelle, who none of the AL guys have face before...like Smoltz (who has a better OPP average but didn't play...) Dusty overused the bench and underused the bullpen.



    Years of watching Dusty's bench play have gotten to me... I mean, he made Sabean hang onto Marvin Benard, Ramon Martinez (who Dusty still can't let go of), etc. He's not all there...




    Yeah, you're right, now that you point that out I realize I sorta misspoke. I meant that the players should have treated this as a much more important game, on the same level as a pivotal regular season or playoff game even.
  • Reply 34 of 54
    ratings were down from last year.
  • Reply 35 of 54
    _ alliance __ alliance _ Posts: 2,070member
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    Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar

    ratings were down from last year.



    and selig's a moron. which of these comments is surprising or new information?
  • Reply 36 of 54
    homhom Posts: 1,098member
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    Originally posted by applenut

    Clemens is NOT having a mediocre year. He has been every bit as dominant as he has in the past. His record only shows half the story as often is the case. Clemens has gotten a lot of no decisions this season due to the Yankees horrible bullpen. He could easily have 11-12 wins if the bullpen didn't fail him so often. He also had a 1 hitter.



    They both were on the same "dang team". The only difference is Zitto was ineligible to pitch. He still suited up, he still went, his name was still announced, he still got to be an all-star.... he just was ineligible to pitch and considering he had pitched Sunday what the **** is wrong with that?




    This is another example of a Yankees fan bitching when something doesn't go their way. Zito was selected to that roster spot. End of story. The players, managers, and coaches thought that Zito was deserving of that spot not Clemens. It doesn't matter wether Clemens is a future hall of famer or the next Prez.



    The way to settle the issue to to have a special roster spot set aside for a "legend of the game". That way you don't take the spot of a player that was selected and Bud can get his photo ops.
  • Reply 37 of 54
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
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    Originally posted by HOM

    This is another example of a Yankees fan bitching when something doesn't go their way. Zito was selected to that roster spot. End of story. The players, managers, and coaches thought that Zito was deserving of that spot not Clemens. It doesn't matter wether Clemens is a future hall of famer or the next Prez.



    The way to settle the issue to to have a special roster spot set aside for a "legend of the game". That way you don't take the spot of a player that was selected and Bud can get his photo ops.




    its not an example of a yankee fan bitching.



    if anything its an example of a red sox fan never being able to get over roger clemens saying **** you to boston.





    and you completely neglect the fact that Zito just was ineligible to pitch.... he was still an "all-star"... his spot was not taken. he would not have pitched.... why waste spots with pitchers who aren't going to pitch?
  • Reply 38 of 54
    homhom Posts: 1,098member
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    Originally posted by applenut

    its not an example of a yankee fan bitching.



    if anything its an example of a red sox fan never being able to get over roger clemens saying **** you to boston.





    and you completely neglect the fact that Zito just was ineligible to pitch.... he was still an "all-star"... his spot was not taken. he would not have pitched.... why waste spots with pitchers who aren't going to pitch?




    Now, never call me a Red Sox fan again and we'll be ok



    My point was just that Clemens was not selected. Zito was. It doesn't matter if he could or could not pitch. Benitez couldn't pitch (cause he sucks) the NL didn't get to pick a new pitcher.



    Sorry, I'm just a depressed Mets fan. Yankees fans have it so good. To see them complain that Clemens didn't get a real spot seems a little childish.
  • Reply 39 of 54
    Quote:

    Originally posted by applenut

    Clemens is NOT having a mediocre year. He has been every bit as dominant as he has in the past. His record only shows half the story as often is the case. Clemens has gotten a lot of no decisions this season due to the Yankees horrible bullpen...



    What's so dominant about a 3.68 ERA? He's not even in the top ten. Sure he's leading the league in strikeouts but Pedro's only about a dozen back and he missed three weeks due to injury. Hideo Nomo has only 4 fewer K's and a much better ERA. He didn't make the team. Clemens is nowhere near the pitcher he once was.
  • Reply 40 of 54
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    Originally posted by _ alliance _

    and selig's a moron. which of these comments is surprising or new information?



    whoa hoss! i was just adding to the conversation. the ratings were the overnights. i was frankly surprised they were down. don't jump down my throat.
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