No Need For MS

ast3r3x · August 20, 2003 11:41AM

http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065...g=fd_lede2_hed

Interesting read if your interested about a company not using MS.

How much of Apple does MS still own, I thought they sold all their shares off.

leonis · August 20, 2003 11:46AM

The investment M$ made back in 97 was like around $150 million I believe. And it was the non-voting share MS was taking.

amorph · August 20, 2003 11:47AM

I thought they did too, for a handsome profit.

Whatever they're holding on to is non-voting stock, so I think Mr. Ball's erring on the side of caution. But that's better than the other way round.

I love his attitude about all of this. It is ridiculous that the mere fact of using a different email client can pack a hall full of tech types. It is ridiculous that it should be thought so hard to adapt computers to business, instead of the reverse. And I'm glad he's telling it like it is.

More power to him, I say.

ipeon · August 20, 2003 8:34PM

Is Mr. Ball running for Governor of California?

He would have my vote! I like this guy.

We are a society of morons by the mere fact that 95% of us are slaves to M$. How sad.

torifile · August 20, 2003 8:58PM

Thanks for that, ast3r3x. It was a good read. I should print it out and hand it to people who are wavering in the decision to switch...

ast3r3x · August 20, 2003 10:11PM

I thought he seemed like a really good guy. Wish he would have gone with macs, but I guess he was paranoid...or knows something I don't!

ipeon · August 20, 2003 10:58PM

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Originally posted by ast3r3x Wish he would have gone with macs, but I guess he was paranoid...or knows something I don't!

I think it was M$.

M$ pissed him off so much that anything connected with M$ by whatever form was to be damned.

ast3r3x · August 20, 2003 11:15PM

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Originally posted by iPeon

I think it was M$.

M$ pissed him off so much that anything connected with M$ by whatever form was to be damned.

But is Apple still connected to MS...and they wouldn't have the rights anyways to do anything. Non-voting stock is nothing. He has to worry just as much about MS buying RedHat as he does of MS buying Apple.

ipeon · August 21, 2003 12:25AM

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Originally posted by ast3r3x

But is Apple still connected to MS...and they wouldn't have the rights anyways to do anything. Non-voting stock is nothing. He has to worry just as much about MS buying RedHat as he does of MS buying Apple.

We all know that was not the case, but we also know how misleading the media has been on this issue. Or any issue M$ related for that matter. Many articles in the media stated that M$ saved Apple with that "Investment."

Truth is it was a settlement and an agreement that Apple would keep IE the default browser and that Apple would drop the suit against M$ for stealing the Mac's UI.

In his mind M$ having bought Apple's shares meant M$ was tied to Apple. M$ pays a LOT of money to media via advertising, commissions and such to spread the FUD. The monopoly is kept alive by propaganda, don't ya know?

gardnerj · August 21, 2003 5:35AM

What ever happen to M$'s "your machine is only licensed to run our OS" effort. Strikes me if they persue it they could still sting this guy as he has removed the purchased os and put his own on, technically if think they class that as a breach of the licensing agreement.

Anyway good story we need more of them though.

hmurchison · August 23, 2003 7:47PM

http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=lh

Great story. Geez I wish more people had the guts to do this after a BSA shakedown.

Yes I know the comment about Microsoft's investment in Apple was wrong but that's what happens when you deal with the Devil.

Fact is Apple needs to institute a Switch Campaign for Businesses. Trust me after writing a check for 6large to the BSA because of Windows Licensing issues I'd entertain the idea of moving to a more lenient license on my Client Machines as well.

Sometimes you have to fight agressively as the little guy. If Apple wants to grow in Business ..help these companies that are under constant intimidation from the BSA. You're always only one disgruntled employee away from being turned in and shaken down.

Apple doesn't come with the same licensing issues and has more application support. They need to be picking up these companies. If Redhat can do it then certainly Apple can.

ast3r3x · August 23, 2003 8:08PM

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...threadid=29338

heh

hmurchison · August 23, 2003 8:27PM

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Originally posted by ast3r3x

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...threadid=29338

heh

Dammit!!!

Good eye ast3r3x. Mods .....kill this<sniffle>

murbot · August 23, 2003 8:37PM

Merged hmurchison's thread in here, to spare the life of his post.

ast3r3x · August 23, 2003 11:31PM

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Originally posted by hmurchison

Dammit!!!

Good eye ast3r3x. Mods .....kill this<sniffle>

Heh, well I hope I could recognize the basis to a post I made

Quote:

Originally posted by murbot

Merged hmurchison's thread in here, to spare the life of his post.

Murbot is just so on top of things

Though sadly I spent way too much time looking for hm's post!

thuh freak · August 24, 2003 1:02PM

would it be unethical to rat out your company to the bsa or whatever in hopes that they would change to linux or something non-ms, while at the same time begging them for a raise?

ipeon · August 24, 2003 10:47PM

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Originally posted by thuh Freak

would it be unethical to rat out your company to the bsa or whatever in hopes that they would change to linux or something non-ms, while at the same time begging them for a raise?

Backstabbing is backstabbing no matter how well you color it.

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