taxing old folks out of air conditioning = death by compassion
Death by taxation
The premise:
Now we have 3,000 people dead for basically no good reason other than the energy in France is too expensive for the average person to have or use air conditioning. (or so this article contends)
It is claimed this is going to get even worse because Europe is trying to meet the Kyoto treaty and has not been successful in doing so. (I wonder how many American liberals would endorse nuclear energy on the scale France uses it too) So in otherwords, they rates and taxes on electricity in France and other nearby countries is going to go even higher.
These same folks declare us "uncompassionate" when, in the midst of waging war, a few civilians are killed by errant bombs and missles. For this we show both remorse and compassion to the folks to whom it occured.
Yet some fanatical environmentalists, declare war on humans by using as their criteria for acceptance, that we leave no mark of change on the planet while using it (Not leave emissions that can be taken care of by the planet, etc. NO emissions) (We aren't talking conservation we are talking well beyond that.)
As a result of this "war on human lifestyle" we have thousands dying literally in their homes because the cost of energy is so high, that it makes temperatures that we routinely see in California and throughout much of the south-west a death sentence for innocent folks in Paris.
And they call themselves enlightened and compassionate....
Nick
The premise:
Quote:
France claims that the recent European heat wave (search) was responsible for the deaths of 3,000 of its countrymen. But for most of the summer, it has been much hotter in the American West, and no one can find even one body attributable to the heat.
France claims that the recent European heat wave (search) was responsible for the deaths of 3,000 of its countrymen. But for most of the summer, it has been much hotter in the American West, and no one can find even one body attributable to the heat.
Now we have 3,000 people dead for basically no good reason other than the energy in France is too expensive for the average person to have or use air conditioning. (or so this article contends)
It is claimed this is going to get even worse because Europe is trying to meet the Kyoto treaty and has not been successful in doing so. (I wonder how many American liberals would endorse nuclear energy on the scale France uses it too) So in otherwords, they rates and taxes on electricity in France and other nearby countries is going to go even higher.
These same folks declare us "uncompassionate" when, in the midst of waging war, a few civilians are killed by errant bombs and missles. For this we show both remorse and compassion to the folks to whom it occured.
Yet some fanatical environmentalists, declare war on humans by using as their criteria for acceptance, that we leave no mark of change on the planet while using it (Not leave emissions that can be taken care of by the planet, etc. NO emissions) (We aren't talking conservation we are talking well beyond that.)
As a result of this "war on human lifestyle" we have thousands dying literally in their homes because the cost of energy is so high, that it makes temperatures that we routinely see in California and throughout much of the south-west a death sentence for innocent folks in Paris.
And they call themselves enlightened and compassionate....
Nick
Comments
"Not even with you, my friend."
I feel no sympathy for these idiots that sat still and died from stupidity.
Originally posted by trumptman
Now we have 3,000 people dead for basically no good reason other than the energy in France is too expensive for the average person to have or use air conditioning. (or so this article contends)
I'd like to see what the real reasons of these 3000 dead people are. Those who make the statistics of dead people in France probably aren't being paid by companies that market air conditioners.
France has 60'000'000 people. In an average of how long period do 3'000 of them die? Besides most 'old Europe' countries have a bigger percentage of elderly than US has (except Florida maybe), so they have a weaker immune system, and if they want to have at every cost their 1,30 pm hot pasta everry day their body may easier overheat.
Can you explain me, trumptman, if those deaths were caused by the price of electricity, why i NEVER EVER have heard of even ONE death caused by hot weather in countries like Brazil (e.g. when I lived there) or anywhere in Africa? FYI I can an average Brazilian or African does not have money to have an air conditioning.
if you think about it old people in the south dont die from heat even without air con. the only deaths i have ever heard of in sc were from people who already had heart disease or some other stressor.
in other words, heat kills those who dont deal with it on a year to year basis.
Originally posted by Giaguara
I'd like to see what the real reasons of these 3000 dead people are.
Fox News has spoken. It's because of environmentalists!
Genetics can be a partial explanation for tollerating cold or hot weather. I never suffer from hot weather (with no air conditioning), and even in 100 F I rarely even sweat, but in coldmy muscles are in pain. So even now I do actally sleep with a winter blanket to keep me warm. And the genetics can be only partial because if e.g. the people in Portugal are supposed to die because of heat (oh, wait, only the French? In Portugal the electricity is a lot more expensive in relation to income) and those in Brazil, that are to a really big percentage of Portuguese origin, then don't die? I doubt 1-4 generations can make THAT big difference in heat tolerance.
You know how in some places in the South (e.g., Atlanta) when it snows, there are a million car accidents - the same snowfall could occur in Minnesota, and there are very few accidents. It's simply because people are used to it and know what to do. I bet it's the same thing here. This was the hottest in what -100 years? - and people just aren't prepared for it.
let them go.
flick.
Originally posted by trumptman
... that we leave no mark of change on the planet while using it (Not leave emissions that can be taken care of by the planet, etc. NO emissions)
heard something funny on NPR on Sunday evening driving home. you're all familiar with the acronym
NIMBY = Not In My Back Yard
the next step up is
BANANA - Build Almost Nothing Anywhere Near Anything
and the final straw?
NOPE = Not On Planet Earth
i would like to point out that i consider myself an environmentalist, in the fact that there is no earthly f'n sense in tearing down 30 acres of land to build TWO Target stores 15 minutes away from each other on the interstate near my house. hundreds of acres could be put to FAR better use than it currently is, but real estate agents and city boards are content with raping the hell out of their land, so long as they keep their weekend cottage out in the woods. i would rather see a windmill farm or solar field in place of another friggin' football stadium wal-mart.
i understand that development will happen, but could someone please agree on ways to do it sensibly??? wal-mart, for example, would raise seventeen notches in my book if they agreed to place solar panels across those battleship landing decks they call a roof and supply either part of their own power or the community's power through it. but no, now it's just a big waste of rooftop gravel or asphault, absorbing and reflecting tons of heat without any benefit in return.
Originally posted by rok
heard something funny on NPR on Sunday evening driving home. you're all familiar with the acronym
NIMBY = Not In My Back Yard
the next step up is
BANANA - Build Almost Nothing Anywhere Near Anything
and the final straw?
NOPE = Not On Planet Earth
i would like to point out that i consider myself an environmentalist, in the fact that there is no earthly f'n sense in tearing down 30 acres of land to build TWO Target stores 15 minutes away from each other on the interstate near my house. hundreds of acres could be put to FAR better use than it currently is, but real estate agents and city boards are content with raping the hell out of their land, so long as they keep their weekend cottage out in the woods. i would rather see a windmill farm or solar field in place of another friggin' football stadium wal-mart.
i understand that development will happen, but could someone please agree on ways to do it sensibly??? wal-mart, for example, would raise seventeen notches in my book if they agreed to place solar panels across those battleship landing decks they call a roof and supply either part of their own power or the community's power through it. but no, now it's just a big waste of rooftop gravel or asphault, absorbing and reflecting tons of heat without any benefit in return.
YES!
YES!
you have my vote.. if i voted.
flick.
The conservative, right-wing republicans on the other hand can continue to be racist, mysoginistic, generally ignorant of their impact on society, the international community and the planet and yet magically it always turns out that they were doing exactly the right thing all along.
Yeah, burn those fossil fuels! Quickly now, we need to save the poor old folks from global warming!
Now, I have no problems with free markets, and lowering tax and deregulation or whatever when the eventual goal is a better society. Which, after all, is what the original "invisible hand" of free markets was supposed to give us, a fairer, more efficient and equitable arrangement based on market signals.
But the right-wingers don't even leave themselves the moral high-ground to claim that was their intention in the first place. They deride people for trying to be do-gooders and then claim that their plan to cut taxes, drill for oil in Alaska, lynch black men who look the wrong way at white women, or whatever is a better idea *because* it out do-goods the do-gooders.
Who's the bleeding heart now?
Besides we all know old people lack common sense. We just convinced my grandma to use *redial* (no joke.) And the remote. Also, she can't use air conditioning. She can't breath with it for some reason. Plus, they're French. I do love old people and French people though.
Fox please tell me you were doing a parody!
So, without examing the facts of each and every case and issue, it would appear to be either a coincidence on an unbelievably grand scale (a true cosmic irony) or total bullshit. You decide.
Stupid cynical idiots. This is why I most likely won't respond to 90% of the topics posted here. It's embarrassing that as Mac users many of us here have turned to shit. All this LEFT VS. RIGHT blathering.
I have been trying my best to save money. And one of the things I have had to sacrifice has been air conditioning. Being that I am a fairly heathy 43 year old man, I have been able to endure the heat. Now imagine a person older than me or without the means economically to have air conditioning and what they face. Most likely a charity group will help with supplying fans to some, but others are just too afraid or embarrassed to get help. And don't expect this Fascist regime of a government to even care about them too. They're too busy with their Crusade of World Domination to even care.
...yes, that includes the French government too.
Now carry on with your bullshit.
You have to be Fox to make this into an enviromentalist question.