Mozilla.org ... it's a tough one to remember. Really.
BTW, I should mention in fairness, ESPN's team pages are still FUBAR on Mozilla as well as Safari. With their close ties to MSN, ESPN has apparently gone *out of their way* to make sure the code doesn't display properly on non-MS browsers. The jerks.
What you need is the Pinstripe Theme . Should be ready for 1.5b shortly. Then your interface worries will be gone. Meantime, one must own up to the fact that Mozilla still has better standards compliance than Safari at this time.
Also, for whatever reason, I find recent builds of Camino and Mozilla download my files 15-25K/s faster than Safari. It's wierd. You'd think that would be the same for any browser as long as the connection is the same / time of day is the same.
Huh? I don't get it. Arstechnica tends to be a bit anti-Mac and, sometimes, I dare say, anti-Mozilla.
I can't help liking them a bit though, because of their in-depth articles and reviews, and because they're the main place I can find with screenshots of OS X DP2 (before Aqua!), through DP4, through 10.1.
The Mozilla project (as with any software project) has several objectives.
One of the objectives of Mozilla is to develop a platform-independant interface.
They have done this, and that's why the only "Aqua" interfaces for Mozilla are fake Aqua. Moz uses its own customized interface engine, not Cocoa or Carbon to draw widgets (unlike Safari).
This applies to web pages too (except for text), which is why buttons in Mozilla look like Windows.
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Originally posted by Moogs
...and I'm sorry to say, it renders sites more quickly than does Safari. Also it renders them correctly. Competition: it's a wonderful thing.
Thanks for the link.
Mozilla.org ... it's a tough one to remember. Really.
BTW, I should mention in fairness, ESPN's team pages are still FUBAR on Mozilla as well as Safari. With their close ties to MSN, ESPN has apparently gone *out of their way* to make sure the code doesn't display properly on non-MS browsers. The jerks.
Although it is getting better, I suspect I will never be satisfied with it since it'll never "feel" like a real native Mac OS X app.
note: I'm glad I was typing this in Safari! As soon as Mozilla loaded *this* page, it crashed. Glad to see the talkback agent is working, at least.
Also, for whatever reason, I find recent builds of Camino and Mozilla download my files 15-25K/s faster than Safari. It's wierd. You'd think that would be the same for any browser as long as the connection is the same / time of day is the same.
Interface covers more than just the way something looks. Mozilla's problem is not just how it looks but also how it behaves.
Consider this question and I think you'll understand my point:
You can apply an Aqua theme to Windows XP but does that make it Mac OS X?
Originally posted by ryaxnb
Hey I like Mozilla! With or without Pinstripe! And don't forget, Camino looks and feels like a real OS X app.
Only until you start using elements rendered by it's rendering engine.
Originally posted by ryaxnb
Hey I like Mozilla! With or without Pinstripe! And don't forget, Camino looks and feels like a real OS X app.
someone has been reading arstechnica
Originally posted by Wrong Robust
someone has been reading arstechnica
Huh? I don't get it. Arstechnica tends to be a bit anti-Mac and, sometimes, I dare say, anti-Mozilla.
I can't help liking them a bit though, because of their in-depth articles and reviews, and because they're the main place I can find with screenshots of OS X DP2 (before Aqua!), through DP4, through 10.1.
A Mac OS X "mozilla" theme
Originally posted by Brad
*sigh* You guys just don't get it.
Behavor? Yes, I know different UI's have different behaviors, but I never notice Mozilla's being notably different from, say, Mail or AppleWorks
Originally posted by ryaxnb
Behavor? Yes, I know different UI's have different behaviors, but I never notice Mozilla's being notably different from, say, Mail or AppleWorks
ryaxnb, DO NOT GO THERE.
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? VAL KILMER??
There's nothing stopping developers using mozilla's rendering engine, gecko, in other apps (like say Camino) that use native widgets.
One of the objectives of Mozilla is to develop a platform-independant interface.
They have done this, and that's why the only "Aqua" interfaces for Mozilla are fake Aqua. Moz uses its own customized interface engine, not Cocoa or Carbon to draw widgets (unlike Safari).
This applies to web pages too (except for text), which is why buttons in Mozilla look like Windows.
Barto