God, I hope not.. but I know you are probably right, Brad.
Damn MS for ruining a good thing!..
MS has nothing to do with it. I'm not sure of the spesifics, but I believe the G5 is incapable of executing big- and little-endian code in the same manner as the G4. Thus, it has to convert, and it takes time. M$ actually did a pretty good job with VPC 6.1, IMO.
This may not be a satisfactory solution, but it's what I ended up doing (and my G4 will run VPC).
IMHO, VPC was simply too slow for me. I have to run MS Access now and again, and performance just wasn't there, even version 6.0 on a G4 1.25 with a ton of memory.
As such, I repurposed an old PC, connected it to my Ethernet LAN, and am connecting to it via VNC. It's quick, it doesn't eat up a ton of RAM on my Mac, and it doesn't eat up tons of processor power on the Mac either.
I know the solution isn't for everyone, but when you look at VPC selling for $200-300, something like:
(An IBM Intellistation dual 500MHz P3 system, with four minutes left in the auction it was at $86.00 US. Similar prices should be available through your local Pennysaver, Buy & Sell or Bargain Finder)
starts looking pretty good. Just purchase an O/S, and you've got a MUCH faster solution for about the same price, if not a bit less. Set up filesharing on the PC, and you've also got the convenience of drag-and-drop file transfers between the Mac and the PC.
No, it won't be the optimal solution for everyone, but it works perfectly for me!
IIRC, the G5 lacks l3 cache which is critical for VPC to run with any decent speed.
It's not the cache... that wouldn't be a make-or-break issue. If it mattered, cache would just a performance issue.
It's the G5's lack of a "pseudo little-endian mode". The current VPC code doesn't just benefit from PLEM, it requires it. Before VPC 4.0, VPC got along -- more slowly -- without using PLEM, so VPC can do without PLEM again.
Once it's rewritten to not require PLEM.
Blaming Microsoft is easy (not to mention fun), but in this case it's not Microsoft's fault. You might blame IBM for not being backward-compatible with the G4 (and G3) in this regard, but who knows what the trade-offs were in the chip's design? PLEM might have been easy in the old G4 design, but not in a chip derived from the Power4.
How much longer would you have been willing to wait for the G5 to get PLEM? How much more would you have been willing to pay?
If PLEM would have been easy to add to the G5, but it wasn't added anyway... that would be something to get steamed about.
....no need to use VNC. Just use Microsofts free Remote Desktop Connection software. I use it to use and administer my PC at work.
I tried to use the MS Remote Desktop Connection, but it wouldn't replicate the 16-bit or 32-bit desktop on the PC; it was limited to 8-bit (who knows, maybe I did something wrong?). VNC seems to work at least as fast as the MS software, and high-color desktops / applications are no problem.
This may not be a satisfactory solution, but it's what I ended up doing (and my G4 will run VPC).
IMHO, VPC was simply too slow for me. I have to run MS Access now and again, and performance just wasn't there, even version 6.0 on a G4 1.25 with a ton of memory.
As such, I repurposed an old PC, connected it to my Ethernet LAN, and am connecting to it via VNC. It's quick, it doesn't eat up a ton of RAM on my Mac, and it doesn't eat up tons of processor power on the Mac either.
I know the solution isn't for everyone, but when you look at VPC selling for $200-300, something like:
(An IBM Intellistation dual 500MHz P3 system, with four minutes left in the auction it was at $86.00 US. Similar prices should be available through your local Pennysaver, Buy & Sell or Bargain Finder)
starts looking pretty good. Just purchase an O/S, and you've got a MUCH faster solution for about the same price, if not a bit less. Set up filesharing on the PC, and you've also got the convenience of drag-and-drop file transfers between the Mac and the PC.
No, it won't be the optimal solution for everyone, but it works perfectly for me!
Just me $0.02,
-John
I do the exact same thine on my Mac. I swap back and forth, most of the time I run the Mac from the PC and sometimes, the PC from the Mac. I have larger screen on the PC, and the iMac screen is fixed at 1024x768.
Get OSXVnc for the Mac to control from the PC. Next VNCThing to control the PC from the Mac.
Unfortunetly, it looks like the developers of VNCThing have vanished. I was hoping that they would update it to alow for thumb wheel scrolling to the host system. Maybe the OSXVnc folks might pickup on this and make a Mac to PC client. They already have a good start!
-Scott
P.S.: I also have one of those USB keychain thingies and that I a great way to swap files. I can easily move file from home to work.
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Originally posted by Xhorxhi
Anyone who can do this I would greatly appreciate it.
I have an opportunity to get a dual use machine through my wife's firm and it must perform "well" in window emulation!
Both Apple and M$ have stated VPC won't work on a G5 (yet?).
Sorry.
(not counting the past million wins by Microsoft)
Originally posted by Xhorxhi
SHIT
A dual G4 will run VPC.
Originally posted by Power Apple
Dont' worry, I'm fairly confident that VPC will be updated to work on G5's within the next few months. Call it a hunch.
...but it'll be significantly slower on the G5 than it was on the G4.
Damn MS for ruining a good thing!..
I guess I am going to have to be resolved to having a dual G4 around for site testing.. (at least its better than having a PC box!)
Originally posted by SCARECROW
God, I hope not.. but I know you are probably right, Brad.
Damn MS for ruining a good thing!..
MS has nothing to do with it. I'm not sure of the spesifics, but I believe the G5 is incapable of executing big- and little-endian code in the same manner as the G4. Thus, it has to convert, and it takes time. M$ actually did a pretty good job with VPC 6.1, IMO.
Originally posted by Brad
...but it'll be significantly slower on the G5 than it was on the G4.
Significantly slower? I bet the fact that the G5 is faster than the G4 will cancel out any loss of speed from the endian issue.
Originally posted by alcimedes
IIRC, the G5 lacks l3 cache which is critical for VPC to run with any decent speed.
but the G5's bus is faster than the G4's l3 cache...?
This may not be a satisfactory solution, but it's what I ended up doing (and my G4 will run VPC).
IMHO, VPC was simply too slow for me. I have to run MS Access now and again, and performance just wasn't there, even version 6.0 on a G4 1.25 with a ton of memory.
As such, I repurposed an old PC, connected it to my Ethernet LAN, and am connecting to it via VNC. It's quick, it doesn't eat up a ton of RAM on my Mac, and it doesn't eat up tons of processor power on the Mac either.
I know the solution isn't for everyone, but when you look at VPC selling for $200-300, something like:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=51113
(An IBM Intellistation dual 500MHz P3 system, with four minutes left in the auction it was at $86.00 US. Similar prices should be available through your local Pennysaver, Buy & Sell or Bargain Finder)
starts looking pretty good. Just purchase an O/S, and you've got a MUCH faster solution for about the same price, if not a bit less. Set up filesharing on the PC, and you've also got the convenience of drag-and-drop file transfers between the Mac and the PC.
No, it won't be the optimal solution for everyone, but it works perfectly for me!
Just me $0.02,
-John
Originally posted by alcimedes
IIRC, the G5 lacks l3 cache which is critical for VPC to run with any decent speed.
It's not the cache... that wouldn't be a make-or-break issue. If it mattered, cache would just a performance issue.
It's the G5's lack of a "pseudo little-endian mode". The current VPC code doesn't just benefit from PLEM, it requires it. Before VPC 4.0, VPC got along -- more slowly -- without using PLEM, so VPC can do without PLEM again.
Once it's rewritten to not require PLEM.
Blaming Microsoft is easy (not to mention fun), but in this case it's not Microsoft's fault. You might blame IBM for not being backward-compatible with the G4 (and G3) in this regard, but who knows what the trade-offs were in the chip's design? PLEM might have been easy in the old G4 design, but not in a chip derived from the Power4.
How much longer would you have been willing to wait for the G5 to get PLEM? How much more would you have been willing to pay?
If PLEM would have been easy to add to the G5, but it wasn't added anyway... that would be something to get steamed about.
Originally posted by mooseman
....no need to use VNC. Just use Microsofts free Remote Desktop Connection software. I use it to use and administer my PC at work.
I tried to use the MS Remote Desktop Connection, but it wouldn't replicate the 16-bit or 32-bit desktop on the PC; it was limited to 8-bit (who knows, maybe I did something wrong?). VNC seems to work at least as fast as the MS software, and high-color desktops / applications are no problem.
-John
Originally posted by bangstudios
Hey all!
This may not be a satisfactory solution, but it's what I ended up doing (and my G4 will run VPC).
IMHO, VPC was simply too slow for me. I have to run MS Access now and again, and performance just wasn't there, even version 6.0 on a G4 1.25 with a ton of memory.
As such, I repurposed an old PC, connected it to my Ethernet LAN, and am connecting to it via VNC. It's quick, it doesn't eat up a ton of RAM on my Mac, and it doesn't eat up tons of processor power on the Mac either.
I know the solution isn't for everyone, but when you look at VPC selling for $200-300, something like:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=51113
(An IBM Intellistation dual 500MHz P3 system, with four minutes left in the auction it was at $86.00 US. Similar prices should be available through your local Pennysaver, Buy & Sell or Bargain Finder)
starts looking pretty good. Just purchase an O/S, and you've got a MUCH faster solution for about the same price, if not a bit less. Set up filesharing on the PC, and you've also got the convenience of drag-and-drop file transfers between the Mac and the PC.
No, it won't be the optimal solution for everyone, but it works perfectly for me!
Just me $0.02,
-John
I do the exact same thine on my Mac. I swap back and forth, most of the time I run the Mac from the PC and sometimes, the PC from the Mac. I have larger screen on the PC, and the iMac screen is fixed at 1024x768.
Get OSXVnc for the Mac to control from the PC. Next VNCThing to control the PC from the Mac.
Unfortunetly, it looks like the developers of VNCThing have vanished. I was hoping that they would update it to alow for thumb wheel scrolling to the host system. Maybe the OSXVnc folks might pickup on this and make a Mac to PC client. They already have a good start!
-Scott
P.S.: I also have one of those USB keychain thingies and that I a great way to swap files. I can easily move file from home to work.
Speaking of little endians...