IBM will begin 90 nm fab Q4
In this excellent artichle @ MacCentral_they map out the strides chip makers are taking towards 90 nm technology.
It says:
"Motorola is currently validating its compliers for 90-nanometer chips, and plans to have sample products available in the fourth quarter with volume production expected next year"
and
"IBM is currently sampling 90 nanometer chips using SOI, and plans to ship those chips in the fourth quarter, said Scott Sykes, an IBM spokesman."
What chip is IBM going to produce in their new 90 nm technology starting this winter? I havn't seen any official word on any chip besides 970 witch was said would evolve to 90 nm as soon as possible.
Power5 will start at 130 nm, as will 750GX, processors yet to be delivered AFAIK.
So candidates besides 970+ will be 750VX aka Mojave, but IBM must produce 750GX before that, so we won't see any Mojave this year. There's bound to be some embedded processors on IBM's roadmap, like some yet unheard of evolution of the 440 core. I've seen rumours about a "Aurora" part starting at 800 MHz@90 nm, but nothing other than that.
Then.. Motorola. They'vejust started delivery of chips beeing manufactured using 130 nm technology. If they start sampling chips @ 90 nm Q4 this year we might see volume production next summer, or fall. I reeally have no idea of anything comming from Motorola besides 7457-RM, and their multicore-G4, but I really hope that they have more that that comming. There probably have somthing for their 8xxx and 5xxx-lines.
It says:
"Motorola is currently validating its compliers for 90-nanometer chips, and plans to have sample products available in the fourth quarter with volume production expected next year"
and
"IBM is currently sampling 90 nanometer chips using SOI, and plans to ship those chips in the fourth quarter, said Scott Sykes, an IBM spokesman."
What chip is IBM going to produce in their new 90 nm technology starting this winter? I havn't seen any official word on any chip besides 970 witch was said would evolve to 90 nm as soon as possible.
Power5 will start at 130 nm, as will 750GX, processors yet to be delivered AFAIK.
So candidates besides 970+ will be 750VX aka Mojave, but IBM must produce 750GX before that, so we won't see any Mojave this year. There's bound to be some embedded processors on IBM's roadmap, like some yet unheard of evolution of the 440 core. I've seen rumours about a "Aurora" part starting at 800 MHz@90 nm, but nothing other than that.
Then.. Motorola. They'vejust started delivery of chips beeing manufactured using 130 nm technology. If they start sampling chips @ 90 nm Q4 this year we might see volume production next summer, or fall. I reeally have no idea of anything comming from Motorola besides 7457-RM, and their multicore-G4, but I really hope that they have more that that comming. There probably have somthing for their 8xxx and 5xxx-lines.
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OTOH, IBM could be making "other" chips at 90nm. "Other" being ASIC type chips etc.
I have a hunch that the 970 is lurking in this 90nm article somewhere, under wraps . . . of course.
Originally posted by Henriok
Then.. Motorola. They'vejust started delivery of chips beeing manufactured using 130 nm technology. If they start sampling chips @ 90 nm Q4 this year we might see volume production next summer, or fall. I reeally have no idea of anything comming from Motorola besides 7457-RM, and their multicore-G4, but I really hope that they have more that that comming. There probably have somthing for their 8xxx and 5xxx-lines.
Frankly, if they deliver that much I'll be impressed. A multi-core RM G4 would be a decent chip.
Remeber when the G4 came out and Steve said people said we were 1 year away from this? I think there are some intresting times ahead. The road map looks really good. IBM is like a huge Tank even if there are large pot holes in the road they have shown in the past they run right over them.
IBM along with Apple has a major chance to stab at the heart of the beast MS and Intel. I believe IBM wants to become a bigger player in the desktop chip area and of course Apple wants market share. This is a good business partnership to get those goals met.
Due to pressure from Apple based on Moto's failures yet again, IBM skipping the GX generation and moving straight to VX.
Is there any reason why this couldn't happen? Does the GX offer anything special that would not be entirely encapsulated in the VX designs? It seems that another non-AltiVec G3 has no benefit other than maybe slightly lower cost than the VX.
Well...one can wish...
-- Ensoniq
Originally posted by Elderloc I have the feeling that even though my G5 has not shipped yet that we may see the 3.0 at MWSF now that would really raise the eyebrows of the world.
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Do you REALLY think - in light of the fact that all the dual 2GHz G5's currently on order seem to keep getting pushed back - that Apple is going to go from 2 to 3GHz in 6 months?
An entire GHz in 6 months, when it takes them - in some cases - an entire damn year to go 100MHz?
Come on, now. I mean, there's "optimism" and "looking ahead" (which I'm all for). Then there's "smoking crack laced with tequila". The latter might be more at play here...
Originally posted by ipodandimac
go to www.macosxrumors.com the answer is there
"According to very reliable sources, IBM is planning to push it's PowerPC production process directly to 0.06um by the end of the year."
No- ****ing-way. If IBM deliveres a 60nm 970 this winter, I am going to fellate myself right in front of the whole appleinsider crowd. This is wishful thinking on steroids.
Originally posted by Smircle
No-****ing way. If IBM deliveres a 60nm 970 this winter, I am going to fellate myself right in front of the whole appleinsider crowd. This is wishful thinking on steroids.
It remind me that someone here make this sort of statement but never achieved it
Originally posted by Smircle
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No-****ing-way. If IBM deliveres a 60nm 970 this winter, I am going to fellate myself right in front of the whole appleinsider crowd. This is wishful thinking on steroids. [/B]
I beleive it was junkyard dog who said something similiar to that once(could be mistaken however), about something and when time came, he didnt do it.
Originally posted by The General
I beleive it was junkyard dog who said something similiar to that once(could be mistaken however), about something and when time came, he didnt do it.
Right, forgot about Dawg
However, chances are minimal I'll have to make good on *that* promise - 0.06 is just too far away.
I seriously doubt a 0.09µm 970 will appear within the next 6-9months.
What I would surmise is that if indeed IBM could create 90nm 970s by then, Apple will take them, clock them slow (=cool) and stuff them in Powerbooks.
From what we have heard from Apple so far, I would not hold my breath on expecting this to happen so soon.
Originally posted by pscates
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Come on, now. I mean, there's "optimism" and "looking ahead" (which I'm all for). Then there's "smoking crack laced with tequila". The latter might be more at play here...
Well it all depends on what kind of Crack IBM is on...if it's a mild crack and they are really concentrating hard, then we could see large speed increases. however if they just downed a whole bag, then we could see another highly antipated toilet running 100Mhz faster than previous models.
Apple's previous goals were to get the G5 up to 2.5Ghz before the end of this year, I'd say they mean't by MacWorld in January this might be an option.
Now, if every employee @ IBM have taken speed and the mild crack at the same time, then the 1Ghz increase could be had. But because Apple smokes weed, high-quality of course, shipping will occur 2 months after that.
If you relate it all to drugs (disc: that are bad for EVERYONE.)
What I'd _LIKE_ to see: All-dual 1.8, 2.2 and 2.5 GHz machines in January. Surely they'd sell enough of those, even with 3 GHz advertised for Summer, right? And for 2.5 GHz, 90nm processing should be good.
But not to forget: A 90nm PPC 970 is also quite definitely needed in order to get PowerBooks and iMacs to G5, because of the heat issues.
Exactly. I think that 90nm G5's in Pbooks and iMacs is more important than a speedbump for the Powermacs. Personally, I think Jobs is being very conservative when he mentions G5 powerbooks by the end of 04. If Jobs said G5 Powerbooks in 4 months, would anyone buy the G4 Powerbooks? They're closer than the estimates they leed us to believe. That's my paranoid conspiracy theory.
Originally posted by Smircle
"According to very reliable sources, IBM is planning to push it's PowerPC production process directly to 0.06um by the end of the year."
No- ****ing-way. If IBM deliveres a 60nm 970 this winter, I am going to fellate myself right in front of the whole appleinsider crowd. This is wishful thinking on steroids.
This is the official "jump the shark" post in an otherwise (t)heretofore mature discussion.