Answering your phone and hanging up costs you money? How, and is it any more then the cost of going through your mail? Besides no one is forcing you to use caller ID or an answering machine. If you want to use them you can.
If I'm working from home, which I often do, it costs me money to answer 15 telemarketing calls a day.
Uh, as far as I can tell you are mistaken -- The do not call list is not just a database that telemaketers can use if they want to. The government can fine telemarketers who call numbers on the list up to $120,000.
I didn't say it was a database telemarketers can use if they want to. I said it's a database people at home can choose to use if they want to. You made it sound like the government is deciding who can't be called, when really it's people deciding they don't want to be called. And again, the telemarketers have long claimed they don't want to call people who don't want to be called.
And no, there are no criminal charges, as far as I know. It's a regulatory action.
So Res what do you do for a living? Why are you trying to hard to defend a group most people flat out hate and wish would go away?
I do web design and database programming (I also work on my music, writing and game design -- but these things don't pay the bills so I have to call them hobbies).
I'm not defending telemarketers at all, I find them very annoying. I am defending the right to free speech, something that I think is intrinsic to a free society. I am against almost any law that curtails the right of individuals or groups to engage in communication.
I don't agree that right to free speech extends all the way to my own phone, which a have to pay for. I have no option to ignore the phone which is vital to everyday live. Right to free speech does not mean a right to demand attention which is what telemarketers get in effect.
They just need to be stopped and passing a law that forbids them from calling someone that choose not to be called is so freaking reasonable I'd hate to have to extend the constitution do make it possible.
Come to think of it I can put a sign on my lawn that says "No Solicitors. Private Property." Then have anyone that violates it arrested. Regardless of their reason for knocking on my door.
I don't see why my phone can't be treated the same way?
my (our) number(s) is/are/were on the list. does not work. still get spam calls.
solutions:
"give your credit card number, issuer bank, expiracy date etc. this call costs 8 $ / minute". i start to charge for calls that i answer to. im sure this will make them stop fast.
"one big cheese pizza please, 16", with anchovies and absolutely no onion, 2 big cokes, and a salad please. how fast can you deliver?" i assume if i order a pizza will stop them too. never had spam calls from pizza delive companies.
"where did you get this number?". i want to know where the number leaks, if it's in no public phone number lists. etc.
Since when is the dialing of a telephone number free speech?
True, they can say whatever they want, and they should be protected to do so, but how can the action of dialing a phone number be covered under free speech? It is merely a mechanism, and as such mechanism can have regulators and govenors put on them. And if I choose not to have my private telephone ring, am I not allowed that choice?
Consider a newspaper. Is free speech being violated when a newspaper will not take advertising because the person who wants to put it in there does not have any money? If I want to hand out pamphlets with my message, does the govt owe me the right to pay for printing them up?
Does free speech mean the newspaper company can force their newspaper in my living room, even for 'free' to me?
Some do. Ever get put on a complimentary list, and have the thing delivered for six weeks? Then they telemarket you asking if you want to continue the subscription.
You will have free speech, even if we have to ram it down your throat!
I believe there are existing laws in all states that require individual organizations to keep their own DNC lists, so you should be able to tell any group to put you on their own DNC list. But I'm not sure if that applies to charities and political groups.
Yeah, that's convenient. I can either contact every charity and political group in the state ahead of time, forewarning them not to contact me or wait for each one to call me and then tell them not to do so.
I like the DNC list, but it doesn't go far enough. Would it really kill them to put some check boxes on their web site so we can elect to block charities, political groups, and surveys?
A question for the people who are so anxious to have the government intervene and stop telemarketing -- why stop there? The same augments you are using against telemarketing also applies to TV advertising.
Television ads are being sent into your home far more often then telemarketing calls. You definitely loose far more time to commercials than telemarketers' phone calls. You also have to pay for a television, and most of us pay for cable or satellite hook ups.
Since most broadcasting is going digital it will be possible for the service providers to filter out all commercials, so are you going to demand that the government set up and enforce a No Ad List?
A question for the people who are so anxious to have the government intervene and stop telemarketing -- why stop there? The same augments you are using against telemarketing also applies to TV advertising.
No, it doesn't. An unwanted telephone call is an invasive, personal act. Those ads on TV? They pay for the continued production of the show that you are choosing to watch. Just because you pay for cable doesn't mean that the shows you watch get your money. Just like paying your ISP every month doesn't support the websites you visit. They're two totally different things.
A question for the people who are so anxious to have the government intervene and stop telemarketing -- why stop there? The same augments you are using against telemarketing also applies to TV advertising.
Television ads are being sent into your home far more often then telemarketing calls. You definitely loose far more time to commercials than telemarketers' phone calls. You also have to pay for a television, and most of us pay for cable or satellite hook ups.
when i dont want to see tv ads, i can swithc off the tv and not loose anything.
i can not switch off my phone. when i answer to a spam call, i lose money, my time and concentration of what ever i was doing. having phone off is no choise. if i did not give my phone particularly to someone or some company, i don't want their call, at least if they want to sell something.
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Originally posted by Res
Answering your phone and hanging up costs you money? How, and is it any more then the cost of going through your mail? Besides no one is forcing you to use caller ID or an answering machine. If you want to use them you can.
If I'm working from home, which I often do, it costs me money to answer 15 telemarketing calls a day.
Originally posted by Res
Uh, as far as I can tell you are mistaken -- The do not call list is not just a database that telemaketers can use if they want to. The government can fine telemarketers who call numbers on the list up to $120,000.
I didn't say it was a database telemarketers can use if they want to. I said it's a database people at home can choose to use if they want to. You made it sound like the government is deciding who can't be called, when really it's people deciding they don't want to be called. And again, the telemarketers have long claimed they don't want to call people who don't want to be called.
And no, there are no criminal charges, as far as I know. It's a regulatory action.
Originally posted by Scott
So Res what do you do for a living? Why are you trying to hard to defend a group most people flat out hate and wish would go away?
I do web design and database programming (I also work on my music, writing and game design -- but these things don't pay the bills so I have to call them hobbies).
I'm not defending telemarketers at all, I find them very annoying. I am defending the right to free speech, something that I think is intrinsic to a free society. I am against almost any law that curtails the right of individuals or groups to engage in communication.
They just need to be stopped and passing a law that forbids them from calling someone that choose not to be called is so freaking reasonable I'd hate to have to extend the constitution do make it possible.
I don't see why my phone can't be treated the same way?
solutions:
"give your credit card number, issuer bank, expiracy date etc. this call costs 8 $ / minute". i start to charge for calls that i answer to. im sure this will make them stop fast.
"one big cheese pizza please, 16", with anchovies and absolutely no onion, 2 big cokes, and a salad please. how fast can you deliver?" i assume if i order a pizza will stop them too. never had spam calls from pizza delive companies.
"where did you get this number?". i want to know where the number leaks, if it's in no public phone number lists. etc.
Since when is the dialing of a telephone number free speech?
True, they can say whatever they want, and they should be protected to do so, but how can the action of dialing a phone number be covered under free speech? It is merely a mechanism, and as such mechanism can have regulators and govenors put on them. And if I choose not to have my private telephone ring, am I not allowed that choice?
Consider a newspaper. Is free speech being violated when a newspaper will not take advertising because the person who wants to put it in there does not have any money? If I want to hand out pamphlets with my message, does the govt owe me the right to pay for printing them up?
Originally posted by bunge
Does free speech mean the newspaper company can force their newspaper in my living room, even for 'free' to me?
Some do. Ever get put on a complimentary list, and have the thing delivered for six weeks? Then they telemarket you asking if you want to continue the subscription.
You will have free speech, even if we have to ram it down your throat!
Originally posted by BRussell
I believe there are existing laws in all states that require individual organizations to keep their own DNC lists, so you should be able to tell any group to put you on their own DNC list. But I'm not sure if that applies to charities and political groups.
Yeah, that's convenient. I can either contact every charity and political group in the state ahead of time, forewarning them not to contact me or wait for each one to call me and then tell them not to do so.
I like the DNC list, but it doesn't go far enough. Would it really kill them to put some check boxes on their web site so we can elect to block charities, political groups, and surveys?
Television ads are being sent into your home far more often then telemarketing calls. You definitely loose far more time to commercials than telemarketers' phone calls. You also have to pay for a television, and most of us pay for cable or satellite hook ups.
Since most broadcasting is going digital it will be possible for the service providers to filter out all commercials, so are you going to demand that the government set up and enforce a No Ad List?
Originally posted by Res
A question for the people who are so anxious to have the government intervene and stop telemarketing -- why stop there? The same augments you are using against telemarketing also applies to TV advertising.
No, it doesn't. An unwanted telephone call is an invasive, personal act. Those ads on TV? They pay for the continued production of the show that you are choosing to watch. Just because you pay for cable doesn't mean that the shows you watch get your money. Just like paying your ISP every month doesn't support the websites you visit. They're two totally different things.
Originally posted by Res
A question for the people who are so anxious to have the government intervene and stop telemarketing -- why stop there? The same augments you are using against telemarketing also applies to TV advertising.
Television ads are being sent into your home far more often then telemarketing calls. You definitely loose far more time to commercials than telemarketers' phone calls. You also have to pay for a television, and most of us pay for cable or satellite hook ups.
when i dont want to see tv ads, i can swithc off the tv and not loose anything.
i can not switch off my phone. when i answer to a spam call, i lose money, my time and concentration of what ever i was doing. having phone off is no choise. if i did not give my phone particularly to someone or some company, i don't want their call, at least if they want to sell something.