<strong>What do you think the chances would be for a true video-out instead of the current video output which can only mirror? </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah that's a real pisser for me too. Unfortunately, Apple feels it needs to cripple the iBook in order to distinguish it from the Powerbook.
But I figure with the Powerbooks now offering a DVI output, that should be enough of an advantage. So please give us true video out. We may not be able to enjoy it on Apple's LCD's but at least get rid of mirroring.
If Think Secret is right about the original iMac dropping out, that means that the iBook is the only computer to use the G3. Making the iBook look pretty outdated (Consumer's perception).
I'm in the market fo one, and from all the rumors it looks like it's not going to happen.
With only 1.5hours to present, Steve will have his hands full with the new iMac 17" LCD, 20GB iPod, and Jaguar. There is a small small chance though.
Just think if Apple announced that their whole line is now with G4's! That would be sweet! I know everyone will say that it will eat into powerbook sales. Well for all those people that think this what about eMac and iMac, do they eat into PowerMac sales?
Wouldn't that burn a hole through it's milky white ass?
come on, the g5...i mean g4, generates a lot of heat, a lot...
like, you are "Oh baby, you are hotter than a g4 without a heat sink!" and she says "Boy,you must think i am hotter than the sun!" <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
Apple seems set to go with 3 desktops -- consumer, prosumer/high-end consumer AIO, and pro. IOW, eMac, iMac, Powermac.
While I'm not a matrix symmetry nut, I do think there's room for a third laptop, especially if the PB's keep their current high price tags.
A G4 'iBook'ish computer to split the difference between a iBook14 and the PB667, so that they go from 1799 to 2499 on the laptop side, to an extra step in the middle. 1799, 2099, 2499. iBook, somethingbetween book, powerbook.
<strong>Apple seems set to go with 3 desktops -- consumer, prosumer/high-end consumer AIO, and pro. IOW, eMac, iMac, Powermac.
While I'm not a matrix symmetry nut, I do think there's room for a third laptop, especially if the PB's keep their current high price tags.
A G4 'iBook'ish computer to split the difference between a iBook14 and the PB667, so that they go from 1799 to 2499 on the laptop side, to an extra step in the middle. 1799, 2099, 2499. iBook, somethingbetween book, powerbook.
Maybe not for MWNY though.</strong><hr></blockquote>
People might not realise but the iBook (white) is the 3rd laptop.
When the Cube was released we had:
PowerMac -> Powerbook (graphite)
iMac -> iBook (colours)
Cube -> ??? (white/clear)
At the time there were rumours of a sub-notebook, but the Cube was canned (Apple: it was $500 overpriced, that's all!) and so the empty matrix box was never filled.
The current white iBook is really a CubeBook sub-notebook, which is why it never really matched the iMac line.
In the near future we will see a little speedbump of 100 mhz of the i book . But don't expect it to have a G4. The ibook will stay G3 until the sahara 2 chip is coming.
Do you really think that after 2 months of use of sahara chip, Apple is going to include a new chip ? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
<strong> Just think if Apple announced that their whole line is now with G4's! That would be sweet! I know everyone will say that it will eat into powerbook sales. Well for all those people that think this what about eMac and iMac, do they eat into PowerMac sales?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, I think they did, at least the G4 iMac did. Just remember: After the introduction of the G4 iMac in January, Apple had about two months to the next MacWorld in Tokyo. But only one month after MacWorld San Francisco the dual Gigahertz G4 PowerMac was announced. I think that this announcement would have perfectly fit for the MacWorld Tokyo, but obviously the G4 iMac sales were hurting the pro line too much.
Not that anyone ever listens to what Apple actually says (what fun would that be?), but they were pretty clear about this recently (June 17):
[quote]<strong> Although it's the only Apple portable product remaining that sports a G3 chip, Apple's iBook line is right where it needs to be and continues to be a hot seller in the consumer and education markets, according to Dave Russell, Apple's director of consumer-education mobile products. Don't expect any major changes anytime soon.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Get a clue. An ibook with a G4 would just be a smaller TiBook. It would require a complete redesign from the ground up just to handle the extra heat and power consumption, and it would no longer be the neat and trim little book that it is. Look at the specs between G4's and the G3 Sahara. The power and heat differences are "dramatic". What you will see is faster G3 Saharas and maybe faster bus but no G4's yet, and you won't see it at MWNY.
Look at the difference between the new SOI G4 and the old (non-sahara) G3. The old G4 fit in the Ti (it was much hotter) and it still worked fine. The new SOI G4 is comparable to the OLD G3 which is what the iBook started out with. An SE model iBook could very well stand a redesign anyway, it wouldn't replace anything, it would slot in between the top iBook and the bottom TiBook -- quite a large price gap there. iBook 12 and 14 would continue with the G3.
I posted this in another thread yesterday, but yesterday (monday) an Apple rep was here and he said Apple would release a new ibook and a 17" imac on wednesday. unfortuantely, he wouldn't say if it was a g4 or not...but he said "new", not "updated"...but maybe I'm reading to much in to that...he was kinda dorky anyway.
I don't see any of these 'G4 in everything' posts panning out. The processor difference is the only thing seperating the iBooks from the Powerbooks, and the iMacs and eMacs with the PowerMacs. Why would Apple condense their diverse product matrix into fewer target markets? I thought they needed lower end machines to court 'consumers' and 'walmart shoppers'. The G3 is beautiful so don't knock it THAT hard. The G4 is great but I don't think well get it in consumer machines until the pro machines get G5s or something else similar or better. MHz distinction between G4s wouldn't be enough to seperate the market. Once you could get a G4 in an eMac at the same price they are now I'd have my order phoned in in 2 seconds flat.
<strong>I don't see any of these 'G4 in everything' posts panning out. The processor difference is the only thing seperating the iBooks from the Powerbooks, and the iMacs and eMacs with the PowerMacs. Why would Apple condense their diverse product matrix into fewer target markets? I thought they needed lower end machines to court 'consumers' and 'walmart shoppers'. The G3 is beautiful so don't knock it THAT hard. The G4 is great but I don't think well get it in consumer machines until the pro machines get G5s or something else similar or better. MHz distinction between G4s wouldn't be enough to seperate the market. Once you could get a G4 in an eMac at the same price they are now I'd have my order phoned in in 2 seconds flat.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Uhhh, Apple already uses G4s in even the lowest end desktops, the eMacs. And nobody is going to mistake an eMac for a Powermac.
There are so many differences between the iBook and the Titanium, and even if both had G4s rated for the SAME MHz, they would be differentiated.
That last speedbump the iMac got was nothing, all that was needed was to put different G3s in the supply bin, it didn't cost Apple squat in terms of development or retooling. So ANYTHING is possible for the iBook. A G4 iBook is every bit as possible as a speedbumped G3 iBook. We simply don't know.
Since the eMac has a G4, my guess is that Apple wants to migrate all of their computers to the G4. OS X really needs a G4 to run well, if you look at complaints about OS X, the ONLY new Mac users who complain are using iBooks. I think Apple want's to change this.
For the iBook to handle a G4, it would need a redesigned mobo, cooling unit, and probably even case. It's a major change and although it's very soon after the last speedbump, like i said, that last speedbump required little to no effort on Apple's part. It's very possible that this G4 iBook has been in the works for a while and was finished early.
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<strong>What do you think the chances would be for a true video-out instead of the current video output which can only mirror? </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah that's a real pisser for me too. Unfortunately, Apple feels it needs to cripple the iBook in order to distinguish it from the Powerbook.
But I figure with the Powerbooks now offering a DVI output, that should be enough of an advantage. So please give us true video out. We may not be able to enjoy it on Apple's LCD's but at least get rid of mirroring.
If Think Secret is right about the original iMac dropping out, that means that the iBook is the only computer to use the G3. Making the iBook look pretty outdated (Consumer's perception).
I'm in the market fo one, and from all the rumors it looks like it's not going to happen.
With only 1.5hours to present, Steve will have his hands full with the new iMac 17" LCD, 20GB iPod, and Jaguar. There is a small small chance though.
Just think if Apple announced that their whole line is now with G4's! That would be sweet! I know everyone will say that it will eat into powerbook sales. Well for all those people that think this what about eMac and iMac, do they eat into PowerMac sales?
What do you think about the all G4 concept?
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come on, the g5...i mean g4, generates a lot of heat, a lot...
like, you are "Oh baby, you are hotter than a g4 without a heat sink!" and she says "Boy,you must think i am hotter than the sun!" <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
While I'm not a matrix symmetry nut, I do think there's room for a third laptop, especially if the PB's keep their current high price tags.
A G4 'iBook'ish computer to split the difference between a iBook14 and the PB667, so that they go from 1799 to 2499 on the laptop side, to an extra step in the middle. 1799, 2099, 2499. iBook, somethingbetween book, powerbook.
Maybe not for MWNY though.
<strong>Apple seems set to go with 3 desktops -- consumer, prosumer/high-end consumer AIO, and pro. IOW, eMac, iMac, Powermac.
While I'm not a matrix symmetry nut, I do think there's room for a third laptop, especially if the PB's keep their current high price tags.
A G4 'iBook'ish computer to split the difference between a iBook14 and the PB667, so that they go from 1799 to 2499 on the laptop side, to an extra step in the middle. 1799, 2099, 2499. iBook, somethingbetween book, powerbook.
Maybe not for MWNY though.</strong><hr></blockquote>
People might not realise but the iBook (white) is the 3rd laptop.
When the Cube was released we had:
PowerMac -> Powerbook (graphite)
iMac -> iBook (colours)
Cube -> ??? (white/clear)
At the time there were rumours of a sub-notebook, but the Cube was canned (Apple: it was $500 overpriced, that's all!) and so the empty matrix box was never filled.
The current white iBook is really a CubeBook sub-notebook, which is why it never really matched the iMac line.
IMHO anyway
Do you really think that after 2 months of use of sahara chip, Apple is going to include a new chip ? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
<strong> Just think if Apple announced that their whole line is now with G4's! That would be sweet! I know everyone will say that it will eat into powerbook sales. Well for all those people that think this what about eMac and iMac, do they eat into PowerMac sales?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, I think they did, at least the G4 iMac did. Just remember: After the introduction of the G4 iMac in January, Apple had about two months to the next MacWorld in Tokyo. But only one month after MacWorld San Francisco the dual Gigahertz G4 PowerMac was announced. I think that this announcement would have perfectly fit for the MacWorld Tokyo, but obviously the G4 iMac sales were hurting the pro line too much.
Just my two cents though...
[quote]<strong> Although it's the only Apple portable product remaining that sports a G3 chip, Apple's iBook line is right where it needs to be and continues to be a hot seller in the consumer and education markets, according to Dave Russell, Apple's director of consumer-education mobile products. Don't expect any major changes anytime soon.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Full story <a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0206/17.ibook.php"; target="_blank">here</a>.
I agree that due to the fact that the iBooks/TiPBs got a speedbump in May, MWNY will be solely desktop-oriented (as far as computerproducts go).
Besides, look at the Apple Store (online): you see the little "new" tags next to the iBooks and TiPBs?
Yeah. Those.
<a href="http://dealmac.com/articles/38096.html"; target="_blank">http://dealmac.com/articles/38096.html</a>;
Purging the channel?
BT
<strong>FWIW, Amazon is running a quiet little sale on iBooks... $100 off. And it doesn't appear to be tied to the printer promotion.
<a href="http://dealmac.com/articles/38096.html"; target="_blank">http://dealmac.com/articles/38096.html</a>;
Purging the channel?
BT</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not purging the channel, it's merely part of a general promotion by Amazon, $100 off on all new notebooks. It's on the computers area front page.
Not saying it will happen, because it probably won't, but when the heck is the G4 going to use HiP7 for crying out loud.
<strong> Once you could get a G4 in an eMac at the same price they are now I'd have my order phoned in in 2 seconds flat.</strong><hr></blockquote>
eMacs have G4's. Happy shopping.
<strong>I don't see any of these 'G4 in everything' posts panning out. The processor difference is the only thing seperating the iBooks from the Powerbooks, and the iMacs and eMacs with the PowerMacs. Why would Apple condense their diverse product matrix into fewer target markets? I thought they needed lower end machines to court 'consumers' and 'walmart shoppers'. The G3 is beautiful so don't knock it THAT hard. The G4 is great but I don't think well get it in consumer machines until the pro machines get G5s or something else similar or better. MHz distinction between G4s wouldn't be enough to seperate the market. Once you could get a G4 in an eMac at the same price they are now I'd have my order phoned in in 2 seconds flat.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Uhhh, Apple already uses G4s in even the lowest end desktops, the eMacs. And nobody is going to mistake an eMac for a Powermac.
There are so many differences between the iBook and the Titanium, and even if both had G4s rated for the SAME MHz, they would be differentiated.
That last speedbump the iMac got was nothing, all that was needed was to put different G3s in the supply bin, it didn't cost Apple squat in terms of development or retooling. So ANYTHING is possible for the iBook. A G4 iBook is every bit as possible as a speedbumped G3 iBook. We simply don't know.
Since the eMac has a G4, my guess is that Apple wants to migrate all of their computers to the G4. OS X really needs a G4 to run well, if you look at complaints about OS X, the ONLY new Mac users who complain are using iBooks. I think Apple want's to change this.
For the iBook to handle a G4, it would need a redesigned mobo, cooling unit, and probably even case. It's a major change and although it's very soon after the last speedbump, like i said, that last speedbump required little to no effort on Apple's part. It's very possible that this G4 iBook has been in the works for a while and was finished early.