About OS X crashes
I have not yet installed Panther and I would like to hear from people that already did it. In Jaguar, the only applications able to take the computer down to the point you need to force a restart, are, for me anyway:
(1) Omniweb 4.5
(2) Finder .
What are your experience from Panther? Has the Finder been fixed or is it still able to crash hard the computer while networking? Are there other applications crashing badly under Panther (I mean taking down the whole system and hammering unmercifully the hard drive during crash, maddening fsck at startup)?
(1) Omniweb 4.5
(2) Finder .
What are your experience from Panther? Has the Finder been fixed or is it still able to crash hard the computer while networking? Are there other applications crashing badly under Panther (I mean taking down the whole system and hammering unmercifully the hard drive during crash, maddening fsck at startup)?
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I have yet to have any app hang the machine so badly in 10.3 to necessitate a reboot. Of course, that was a very rare occurrence in 10.2 as well. Force-quitting the Finder or taking a full log out would happen from time to time, but not a reboot.
Originally posted by Brad
OmniWeb? How bizarre. That's one app that has never acted badly for me and it's the last app that should be locking your whole machine.
Not only that, but even escapepod was unable to log me out! And when I cmd-s-restarted to run fsck after that, the first run reported "Unable to repair the disk" (cold sweat here). Subsequent fsck runs fortunately corrected the disk problems. By the way, I have until now only one Omniweb incident and only with v4.5. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same thing for the Finder.
The only draw back i have is that deleting folders/files takes slightly longer to disapear but otherwise its a great update.
Originally posted by Brad
Have you tried any clean reinstalls lately?
No, you know, there is this over 2 GB fink /sw directory... I don't want to recompile all that stuff.
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I think for you it would be worth the effort when you get Panther to take care of any niggling problems you don't see immediately.
That's for sure.
Long live Xterm.....
Originally posted by Relic
...OSX is far from what I would call fast. Surfing is extremely unsatisfactory, FTP, if it works, is pretty mediocre, heck networking in general falls short, window resizing is horrible...
Hmm.. I do not think OS X is slow anymore.
Cheetah sucked.. but it was pretty.
Puma was below average.. but much much better than Cheetah.
Jaguar was average I would say.
Panther is just right (fast).
Although the improvement over Jaguar is only slightly, it's enough to bring Panther up to speed with Windows. In Panther, the UI is still slightly less responsive than Windows NT on the P4 at work.. but it's very close:
Menus drop down as quickly
dialog boxes are as fast
Minimizing windows to the dock is as fast
moving files is a bit slower
window resizing is not even close.
My computer is a 1.42GHz DP w/2GB memory, though.. it's on the top end of the G4's so that definitely makes a difference, but Panther is also pretty responsive on my iBook.. again it is quite comparable to Windows. In terms of UI responsiveness of course.
Originally posted by cybermonkey
The only draw back i have is that deleting folders/files takes slightly longer to disapear but otherwise its a great update.
With me it's the opposite.
Panther is definitely faster than Jaguar. Everything feels snappier finder wise. YES! On my G4 350 Panther is very close to OS 9's responsiveness. Have had no problems with it. Expose rules.
Originally posted by pensieve
I'm still unable to connect to my fiancee's w2k machine from the finder (I'm almost positive it's something on THAT computer causing the problem but I'm not sure).
Broken SAMBA in Panther perhaps? Can anyone confirm?
Originally posted by Bigs
The Finder in Jaguar used to drive me crazy sometimes (especially when I had one or more SMB connections open). I've been using Panther since the release and haven't had the Finder crash on me ONCE. Of course your mileage may very, but I'm pretty happy with it.
Never had a finder crash, I've had Safari, iChat, Mail, iMovie, FCP, iTunes...to name a few. But app crashes are few and far between. I've only had about 4 Kernal panics since I started using X.
The entire year I used Jaguar I only had to reboot the machine once because of a lock up, but I've probably had to 6 or 7 times allready with Panther. Sometimes apps just freeze up, and then when I try to force quit them they take the Finder down with them, and after that theres really nothing I can do.
Since Panther has gone GM, my computer has not crashed or hard locked up once. The only times I've rebooted were due to the system software updates.
All of my software has worked fine. The only Safari problems I had were due to a new beta version of PithHelmet. I removed that and grabbed the updated version and everything was peachy again. Camino crashed on startup because I was using an old build. I updated that and, again, no more problems.
I have found one reproducible crash in the Finder, but it is one that most users would never encounter. I have fired off a bug report to Apple about it. Other than that, totally stable. Yes, there are problems with networked Windows workgroups, but they doesn't crash or hang the Finder.
iChat AV is markedly more stable now in 10.3 than the old iChat in 10.2.
Like I said, everything works fine here. I put in countless hours on this machine. I do the usual web surfing and e-maling, I do graphics work with tools like Image Capture and GC and Photoshop and FCP, I write code with SubEthaEdit and TextEdit and Xcode, I compile and run other apps via Terminal, I listen to music in iTunes, I watch videos in QTP and VLC and MPlayer, I remotely access through SSH and VNC, I serve pages with Apache and PHP and SQL, I play the occasional game of Pop-pop or Snood or Enigmo or RtCW or Ghost Recon...
I can't remember the last time I had a noteworthy problem!
Originally posted by gsxrboy
... *sometimes* I think app crashes might muck up a timing thing somewhere because I found that unplugging the usb keyboard and mouse and then reconnecting would give me back functionality...
In my case, it seems that the system hang-up occured since Omniweb suffocated the hard drive; fsck reported some crazy repairs after that. This explains(?) also why escapepod was unable to do anything. Certainly not a system crash in the strict sense, but in practice it makes little or no difference.
I opened all the PDFs on my hard drive, and it didn't crash. It sure damn took a little while, but...