... actually thinner then the T68 (which is tiny) ...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Uh... unless somebody changed the laws of mathematics, every one of the P800's dimensions is larger than the T68i. It's 17mm taller, 11mm wider and 7mm thicker.
The big question is, "Does Apple have anything to gain by developing its own phone?"
I think the answer to that is "no". Just because they're building services into the OS to support connectivity to many different phones and other PDA-like devices doesn't necessarily mean Apple is going to make their own. iPhoto supports countless cameras, but is there an iCamera?
Personally, i don't care much for all-in-one devices. I don't want an MP3 player or camera on my phone. I'd rather have a smaller, lighter phone/PDA combo. Phones, PDAs, MP3 players and cameras are all evolving at a different pace. To smash them all together in one device just seems like a quicker path to obsolescence. I think the all-or-nothing Swiss-army-knife devices have limited appeal.
If anything, i can see the iPod getting Bluetooth, and maybe some kind of voice capability for navigation and voice memos/dictation. They've already added basic calendar and contact capability (it is based on a phone OS, after all) but will the iPod evolve to a full-blown communication device? I don't think it's very likely.
Last year it was nearly crazy to think they would, now it would be crazy to say they won't.
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All it needs is Jaguar and no MS agreement.</strong><hr></blockquote>Are you saying that part of Apple's deal with MS was that they not do a PDA?
Come one, how much more clear can Jobs get that they aren't doing a PDA?
He basically gloated at the analysts' meeting that they made the right choice three years ago not to do a PDA. He said that PDAs are going away. Schiller has said the same thing. There is no secret code in there.
iPaqs are pretty much owning the PDA space these days. Microsoft is developing its own smartphone technologies, which will no doubt be the next evolution of the PocketPC. Blackberry devices now include phone functionality.
If Apple can get iSync to talk to PocketPCs and Blackberrys, they're adding value to the Mac OS platform without having to go to the expense of developing specific hardware.
It was such a drag waiting for the 7650, and then deciding against it... it looked so much smaller in those photos...
I'm considering waiting until isync is acctually available, and then decide, if my 6210 doesn't die completly on me before that...
A sidenote: I was actually incredibly impressed with the camera and the symbian OS of the 7650. "One-hand" operation with the joystick was suprisingly efficient too. But it was just to much PDA and not enough phone...
I've always said that Ericsson were the Apple, Nokia the MS of cellular. Right down to the pre-announcement spoiler tactics and the inferior technology that the majority of the world loves.
The p800 is simply ridiculously good.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But one Nokia feature is yet unmatched: Profile selcetion accessed by pushing the power button. But for the most part, I agree. It's horrible, most German cell service companies offer Nokia and Siemens phones only.
I like the Philips Fiso 820 a lot. Small, GPRS, Bluetooth, color screen, good full graphical menu structure (unlike the T68 - everything above the second level is text only worse than Nokia's menus) - only flaws: descirbed profile selection issue, don't think it supports SyncML, no company offers it at a discount.
[quote] iPaqs are pretty much owning the PDA space these days. Microsoft is developing its own smartphone technologies, which will no doubt be the next evolution of the PocketPC. Blackberry devices now include phone functionality. <hr></blockquote>
Europe and USA are so different in this area. the Nokia 9210 sold more than All PocketPC combined (and PALM for that matter) in Europe Q1 (I haven't checked the numbers since). Seems to me Steve has taken a liking for the "european" approach...
Why doesn't Sony-Ericsson make a phone module for or a phone on the basis of thier newest Clie - the one with the flip-around screen, optional camera and keyboard? That would rock!
Now, I'm imagining my TiBook with BlueTooth + my Clie N760 + A P800 or T68i (to replace my J5) + my (very early) 5GB iPod for a complete range of computing, information and entertainment tools.
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<strong>The p800 isn't such a beast actually:
T68i 100 x 48 x 20
P800 117 x 59 x 27
... actually thinner then the T68 (which is tiny) ...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Uh... unless somebody changed the laws of mathematics, every one of the P800's dimensions is larger than the T68i. It's 17mm taller, 11mm wider and 7mm thicker.
The big question is, "Does Apple have anything to gain by developing its own phone?"
I think the answer to that is "no". Just because they're building services into the OS to support connectivity to many different phones and other PDA-like devices doesn't necessarily mean Apple is going to make their own. iPhoto supports countless cameras, but is there an iCamera?
Personally, i don't care much for all-in-one devices. I don't want an MP3 player or camera on my phone. I'd rather have a smaller, lighter phone/PDA combo. Phones, PDAs, MP3 players and cameras are all evolving at a different pace. To smash them all together in one device just seems like a quicker path to obsolescence. I think the all-or-nothing Swiss-army-knife devices have limited appeal.
If anything, i can see the iPod getting Bluetooth, and maybe some kind of voice capability for navigation and voice memos/dictation. They've already added basic calendar and contact capability (it is based on a phone OS, after all) but will the iPod evolve to a full-blown communication device? I don't think it's very likely.
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Last year it was nearly crazy to think they would, now it would be crazy to say they won't.
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All it needs is Jaguar and no MS agreement.</strong><hr></blockquote>Are you saying that part of Apple's deal with MS was that they not do a PDA?
Come one, how much more clear can Jobs get that they aren't doing a PDA?
He basically gloated at the analysts' meeting that they made the right choice three years ago not to do a PDA. He said that PDAs are going away. Schiller has said the same thing. There is no secret code in there.
The iPod is Apple's PDA now.
If Apple can get iSync to talk to PocketPCs and Blackberrys, they're adding value to the Mac OS platform without having to go to the expense of developing specific hardware.
anyway, are you saying I shuld wait for the P800?
It was such a drag waiting for the 7650, and then deciding against it... it looked so much smaller in those photos...
I'm considering waiting until isync is acctually available, and then decide, if my 6210 doesn't die completly on me before that...
A sidenote: I was actually incredibly impressed with the camera and the symbian OS of the 7650. "One-hand" operation with the joystick was suprisingly efficient too. But it was just to much PDA and not enough phone...
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I've always said that Ericsson were the Apple, Nokia the MS of cellular. Right down to the pre-announcement spoiler tactics and the inferior technology that the majority of the world loves.
The p800 is simply ridiculously good.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But one Nokia feature is yet unmatched: Profile selcetion accessed by pushing the power button. But for the most part, I agree. It's horrible, most German cell service companies offer Nokia and Siemens phones only.
I like the Philips Fiso 820 a lot. Small, GPRS, Bluetooth, color screen, good full graphical menu structure (unlike the T68 - everything above the second level is text only worse than Nokia's menus) - only flaws: descirbed profile selection issue, don't think it supports SyncML, no company offers it at a discount.
Europe and USA are so different in this area. the Nokia 9210 sold more than All PocketPC combined (and PALM for that matter) in Europe Q1 (I haven't checked the numbers since). Seems to me Steve has taken a liking for the "european" approach...
They recalled all the first production units to add this.
It runs Java Apps...
Oh,if there are any Canadians who want this thing check out:
<a href="http://digitalmobilesolutions.com/"; target="_blank">http://digitalmobilesolutions.com/</a>;
<a href="http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3831"; target="_blank">http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3831</a>;
Go <a href="http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=PEGA-MSB1"; target="_blank">here</a> for more details for this admittedly expensive little Clie add-in.
Now, I'm imagining my TiBook with BlueTooth + my Clie N760 + A P800 or T68i (to replace my J5) + my (very early) 5GB iPod for a complete range of computing, information and entertainment tools.