It appears to be up now, with an article commenting on the 45 degree rotation, comparing it to the eMac. They have one picture up, but I think that's just the eMac.
Sorry if this has already been posted... I'm trying to keep up witht this thread, but it is getting huge!
anyway... the guys over at <a href="http://www.applexnews.com"; target="_blank">www.applexnews.com</a> posted the following as far as the specs of the new systems go....
although my opinion adds to all the other wortless opinos here ithink i shuld express it.
It appears to be a very early prototype. It looks very rough. For a machine thats coming out in a few weeks possibly shipping then at least partially or even in september...it looks like this thing is not ready for prodcution.
It does indeed look cool and unfinished...maybe this is apples case for a power based mac for next year or g5 of some sort. but thats if u trust whats inside
Also lets remember that apple thought of a flat screen iMac very early on and coudn't make one cause of price as a result the cube was made. this is just to demonstrate the time apple spends on designing and releasing a product
All i hope is that there is in fact DDR ram and a very powerful fsb because i'm buying the next revision of the powermac and i want something good
AS FOR THE POST ABOVE
dual across i doubt it..would be nice and a 1.6 ghz g4? do those exist?
<strong>Sorry if this has already been posted... I'm trying to keep up witht this thread, but it is getting huge!
anyway... the guys over at <a href="http://www.applexnews.com"; target="_blank">www.applexnews.com</a> posted the following as far as the specs of the new systems go....
not sure where they got the info from but I sure wouldn't mind if it was true
Those specs are completely ridiculous. The person who fabricated the specs obviously thinks the ATI R250 is faster than a GeForce4 Ti 4200. False. 4 IEEE 1394b ports? Oh please. 1.6 GHz, in our dreams. AGP 8x is only backward compatible down to 4x. Sigh, so many mistakes... There don't exist any 60 GB IDE HDDs with 8 MB of cache.
And whatever else I haven't bothered to point out.
i must disagree with those of you of the opinion that inventory plays no role in a powermac delay. its not likely to be the only reason though.
1. macworld is for releasing consumer products only, i think its a safe bet that apple wants too separate the "pro" line from the consumer line more. look back over the last few pro-product releases QS, Xserve and now Shake, all released on their own.
2. production lead time, this is important when you are preparing to release a high demand item. it creates a small buffer for chip production and other lag areas, if any.
3. 3rd party goodies, hypothetically lets say the high end model is supposed to ship with the ATI 9700. its not ready yet, you got to wait or leave your big spenders high and dry.
4. big fat inventory sitting around doing squat, except costing you money for every day it sits there. what do you do, release the new model and kill whatever chance you have to sucker a few people who want to save a few hundred semolians, or do you try and move a few weeks of the stuff before you cut your loses. hmmm. what would you do. not what do you want them to do. high margins or not, dead weight still needs to be cut off or you sink.
now of course there might other reasons for a "delay" but i think the four i listed are good enough for our purposes. alone, no one thing makes the argument, all together its a logical process.
Just an FYI, those "specs" were floating around the rumor forums over a month ago and it turned out to be bogus. It includes some items from the Xserve spec sheet that do not apply. Move along.
<strong>i must disagree with those of you of the opinion that inventory plays no role in a powermac delay. its not likely to be the only reason though.
1. macworld is for releasing consumer products only, i think its a safe bet that apple wants too separate the "pro" line from the consumer line more. look back over the last few pro-product releases QS, Xserve and now Shake, all released on their own.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think u might have made a mistake i could be wrong some one here might be ableto point it out .
Original Quicksilver was released at MWNY
Also i'm not quite sure but i think iBook was upgraded recently at a non macworld event.
"The folks over at MacRumors broke the story of prototype pictures of the new PowerMac enclosure and motherboard, very similar to several snapshots which MOSR has had access to for several weeks under embargo from the source."
Yup, MOSR says things like that whenever they get scooped by someone else.. which is quite a bit. Though at the time of this posting they have the numbers to host the picture of the case. Got to give them that.
about that big old heat sink, has anyone seen it. or are we talking about the .pdf that someone slapped together. if we have a pic of it someplace then post for scrutiny, otherwise its easily a typo or bad data. the size of a 7lb. heatsink would kill air flow for certain, better to drop a fan on the chip. i think we should move on.
im sure the current Quik Silver came out just after MWSF. the dual 1Ghz. machines were definatly released then. my guess is that were seeing the implementation of some new policey of sorts. honestly it does not matter to me where the release takes place as long as it happens. better to get it in august than january.
Umm if it ain't fake then why does MOSR still have them up and why are they available throughout this board? Usually Apple legal is far more throrough and quicker.
mabey you should double check the board, not much here, wait till an admin comes along to cull whats left. also apple can only ask you to take the pics down using lots of harsh legal language, if some one wants to ignore apple more power to em.
[ 07-22-2002: Message edited by: Da sinister ]</p>
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<strong>The French web site that first posted the new G4 pictures has now been taken down all together
<a href="http://www.macbidouille.com"; target="_blank">Macbidouille</a>
There is just a maintenance page with the following ( translated to English via babelfish)
[ 07-22-2002: Message edited by: Moonraker ]
[ 07-22-2002: Message edited by: Moonraker ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
It appears to be up now, with an article commenting on the 45 degree rotation, comparing it to the eMac. They have one picture up, but I think that's just the eMac.
[ 07-22-2002: Message edited by: qazII ]</p>
<strong>
I hope that's supposed to be a joke?</strong><hr></blockquote>
C'mon, I know Americans are supposed to be incapable of irony, but as one Limey to another, get it on.....or were you joking? I can't tell anymore.
anyway... the guys over at <a href="http://www.applexnews.com"; target="_blank">www.applexnews.com</a> posted the following as far as the specs of the new systems go....
[quote]Posted at <a href="http://www.applexnews.com:"; target="_blank">www.applexnews.com:</a>
<strong>
Processor
Dual PowerPC G4 processors(1.2ghz,1.4ghz,1.6ghz)
Velocity Engine vector processing unit
Full 128-bit internal memory data paths
Powerful floating-point unit supporting single-cycle, double-precision calculations
Data stream prefetching operations supporting four simultaneous 32-bit data streams
512k on-chip L2 cache
2MB DDR SRAM L3 cache per processor
333MHz system frontside bus supporting over 2.7GB/s data throughput
Memory
512MB or 1024MB of 333MHz PC2700 DDR SDRAM with up to 5.4GB/s throughput
(dual memory controllers 2.7 for each channel)
Four DIMM slots supporting up to 2GB of DDR SDRAM using the following: ? 128MB
or 256MB DIMMs (64-bit-wide, 128Mb technology) ? 512MB DIMMs (64-bit-wide, 256Mb
technology) I/O connections AGP Pro 110watt universal slot supports graphics
cards running at 8x,4x,2x Six full-length 64-bit, 66MHz PCI slots supports 32-bit
or 64-bit 3.3V PCI cards running at 33MHz respectively
One 10/100/1000BASE-T (Gigabit) RJ-45 Ethernet connectors, on logic board
One 56k v.92 voice/fax modem
RJ-11 teleco connector,on logic board
Ready for wireless networking: Built-in antennas and card slot for optional
54Mbps AirPort Card; IEEE 802.11g compliant
Four 800Mb/s FireWire2 ports (three on back panel;one on front panel; 15W total
power)
(4) Four USB2.0 ports 12 Mbs-480 Mb/s each (three on back panel;one on front
panel)
Graphics
Nvidia Geforce4Ti 4200 AGP graphics card with 64MB of DDR SDRAM graphics ADC
and DVi connector dual display support for extended desktop and video mirroring
modes (standard across entire lineup)
Optional ATI RADEON R250 AGP graphics card with 128MB of DDR SDRAM and ADC,DVI,
and S-video connectors; dual display support, support for digital and analog
resolutions up to 2048 by 1536 pixels
Storage
Two external 3.5 bays with independent 133MB/s buses for up to 240GB of internal
storage using hot-plug Apple Drive Modules, available in the following capacities:
? 60GB 7200-rpm Ultra ATA/133 with 8MB disk cache ? 120GB 7200-rpm Ultra ATA/133
with 8MB disk cache
One bay filled with 60GB 7200-rpm Apple Drive Module (standard configurations)
Support for reading SMART data from Apple Drive Modules for early failure notification
Two open internal 3.5 bays(for internal IDE harddrives)
Two external 5.25 bay one filled with tray-loading 40x20x40x CDR/RW drive with
front-panel eject button
Optional Superdrive Dvd-R 4x,Dvd-rom 24x,CDR/RW 24x12x40x
Optional Ultra160 SCSI PCI card for connecting to external storage and backup
devices.
Optional Ultra ATA 133 RAID card (supports RAID 0,1,01 )
Audio:
Built-in speaker
Apple speaker minijack for connection to Apple Pro Speakers
Optional Apple Pro Speakers
Headphone/line out minijack
Support for external third-party FireWire and USB digital audio peripherals
such as microphones, speakers, and MIDI devices
</strong><hr></blockquote>
not sure where they got the info from but I sure wouldn't mind if it was true
Later
[ 07-22-2002: Message edited by: Blizaine ]</p>
It appears to be a very early prototype. It looks very rough. For a machine thats coming out in a few weeks possibly shipping then at least partially or even in september...it looks like this thing is not ready for prodcution.
It does indeed look cool and unfinished...maybe this is apples case for a power based mac for next year or g5 of some sort. but thats if u trust whats inside
Also lets remember that apple thought of a flat screen iMac very early on and coudn't make one cause of price as a result the cube was made. this is just to demonstrate the time apple spends on designing and releasing a product
All i hope is that there is in fact DDR ram and a very powerful fsb because i'm buying the next revision of the powermac and i want something good
AS FOR THE POST ABOVE
dual across i doubt it..would be nice and a 1.6 ghz g4? do those exist?
[ 07-22-2002: Message edited by: O and A ]</p>
<strong>Sorry if this has already been posted... I'm trying to keep up witht this thread, but it is getting huge!
anyway... the guys over at <a href="http://www.applexnews.com"; target="_blank">www.applexnews.com</a> posted the following as far as the specs of the new systems go....
not sure where they got the info from but I sure wouldn't mind if it was true
Later
[ 07-22-2002: Message edited by: Blizaine ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's way too good to be true...
And whatever else I haven't bothered to point out.
1. macworld is for releasing consumer products only, i think its a safe bet that apple wants too separate the "pro" line from the consumer line more. look back over the last few pro-product releases QS, Xserve and now Shake, all released on their own.
2. production lead time, this is important when you are preparing to release a high demand item. it creates a small buffer for chip production and other lag areas, if any.
3. 3rd party goodies, hypothetically lets say the high end model is supposed to ship with the ATI 9700. its not ready yet, you got to wait or leave your big spenders high and dry.
4. big fat inventory sitting around doing squat, except costing you money for every day it sits there. what do you do, release the new model and kill whatever chance you have to sucker a few people who want to save a few hundred semolians, or do you try and move a few weeks of the stuff before you cut your loses. hmmm. what would you do. not what do you want them to do. high margins or not, dead weight still needs to be cut off or you sink.
now of course there might other reasons for a "delay" but i think the four i listed are good enough for our purposes. alone, no one thing makes the argument, all together its a logical process.
<strong>i must disagree with those of you of the opinion that inventory plays no role in a powermac delay. its not likely to be the only reason though.
1. macworld is for releasing consumer products only, i think its a safe bet that apple wants too separate the "pro" line from the consumer line more. look back over the last few pro-product releases QS, Xserve and now Shake, all released on their own.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think u might have made a mistake i could be wrong some one here might be ableto point it out .
Original Quicksilver was released at MWNY
Also i'm not quite sure but i think iBook was upgraded recently at a non macworld event.
- MOSR
u can rarely put anny creedence to what MOSR has to say
[ 07-22-2002: Message edited by: apple.otaku ]</p>
if pdf = true
WHY A BIG OLE HEATSINK?
surprise CPU anyone?
FireWire 2/Gigawire?
Then again faking this is pretty hard
[ 07-22-2002: Message edited by: Da sinister ]</p>