Steve Jobs on the PPC roadmap
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Steve Jobs:
"The roadmap on the PowerPC actually looks pretty good and there are some advantages to it. As an example, the PowerPC has something in it called AltiVec, we call the Velocity Engine -- it's a vector engine -- it dramatically accelerates media, much better than, as an example, then Intel processors or the AMD processors... so we actually eek out a fair amount of performance from these things when all is said and done. And the roadmap looks pretty good. Now, as you point out, once our transition to Mac OS 10 is complete, which I expect will be around the end of this year or sometime early next year and we get the top 20% of our installed base running 10, and I think the next 20 will come very rapidly after that. Then we'll have options, then we'll have options and we like to have options. But right now, between Motorola and IBM, the roadmap looks pretty decent. "
From the horse's mouth, Apple is going to be following the PPC Roadmap for some time. G5?
There is also a comment about PDAs, Apple isn't going there. Jobs says that PDAs are going to be replaced by cell phones.
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Check out the Q&A session.
Steve Jobs:
"The roadmap on the PowerPC actually looks pretty good and there are some advantages to it. As an example, the PowerPC has something in it called AltiVec, we call the Velocity Engine -- it's a vector engine -- it dramatically accelerates media, much better than, as an example, then Intel processors or the AMD processors... so we actually eek out a fair amount of performance from these things when all is said and done. And the roadmap looks pretty good. Now, as you point out, once our transition to Mac OS 10 is complete, which I expect will be around the end of this year or sometime early next year and we get the top 20% of our installed base running 10, and I think the next 20 will come very rapidly after that. Then we'll have options, then we'll have options and we like to have options. But right now, between Motorola and IBM, the roadmap looks pretty decent. "
From the horse's mouth, Apple is going to be following the PPC Roadmap for some time. G5?
There is also a comment about PDAs, Apple isn't going there. Jobs says that PDAs are going to be replaced by cell phones.
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<strong>...between Motorola and IBM, the roadmap looks pretty decent. "</strong><hr></blockquote>
This means one of two things:
1) Apple will keep using the G3 (made by IBM) for some time to come.
2) IBM will be making G4s/G5s for Apple.
maybe there is hope after all, maybe he actually does got something up his sleeve this time...at least he made me think so..
[quote]. . . once our transition to Mac OS 10 is complete, which I expect will be around the end of this year or sometime early next year and we get the top 20% of our installed base running 10, and I think the next 20 will come very rapidly after that. Then we'll have options . . . <hr></blockquote>
He is basically stating that they are looking for an aproximate 40% of Macs running OS X before they will look at a switch, and optamistically that would be by March-April next year based on his figures. For this type of switch they would have to pre-announce at least to developers, so the earliest we would hear about it is Apple Developers Conference next spring.
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Check out the Q&A session.
Steve Jobs:
"The roadmap on the PowerPC actually looks pretty good and there are some advantages to it. As an example, the PowerPC has something in it called AltiVec, we call the Velocity Engine -- it's a vector engine -- it dramatically accelerates media, much better than, as an example, then Intel processors or the AMD processors... so we actually eek out a fair amount of performance from these things when all is said and done. And the roadmap looks pretty good. Now, as you point out, once our transition to Mac OS 10 is complete, which I expect will be around the end of this year or sometime early next year and we get the top 20% of our installed base running 10, and I think the next 20 will come very rapidly after that. Then we'll have options, then we'll have options and we like to have options. But right now, between Motorola and IBM, the roadmap looks pretty decent. "
From the horse's mouth, Apple is going to be following the PPC Roadmap for some time. G5?
There is also a comment about PDAs, Apple isn't going there. Jobs says that PDAs are going to be replaced by cell phones.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm in full agreement. The fact is Apple has alot invested in PowerPC development, the notion that Apple would abandon PPC in favor of going to the x86 platform seems absurd.
Equally absurd in my opinion is the idea people have that porting OS X is merely a simple recompile, nothing simple is involved with moving an OS to another chip and that is not including the immense amount of work of moving the applications. Case in point: I worked for a small software development company that ported their Enterpise Management application from Windows to Solaris. Since our software had a number of kernel mode extensions bound to Windows NT, those components had to be re-written from scratch in order to work on the Sun platform. It took nearly two years of consistant development and QA effort to get this application to work, and this was afterall a single piece of software. Let no one tell you that "Apple can easily move to Intel", sure Apple could do it, but only by spending lots of time and money on the effort.
Certainly there is no concrete proof, but I take Job's comment about "Having Options" tells me that there is some validity to Apple taking more PowerPC development on themselves. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
"actually looks pretty good" "looks pretty decent"
...that doesn't sound overly optimistic <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
<strong>So underneath the spin, you think that what Jobs is saying is, "we're stuck with PPC until OS X is fully adopted, then we're going to consider other options. Until then, we're Moto's little bitch and there's nothing we can do about it."</strong><hr></blockquote>
That is exactly what he is saying. There are too many programs such as Quark that still rely on Clasic, and Clasic requires a PPC chip to work.
<strong>So underneath the spin, you think that what Jobs is saying is, "we're stuck with PPC until OS X is fully adopted, then we're going to consider other options. Until then, we're Moto's little bitch and there's nothing we can do about it."</strong><hr></blockquote>
BINGO
<strong> :eek:
maybe there is hope after all, maybe he actually does got something up his sleeve this time...at least he made me think so..</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you took to aapl's stock price, you'll see that you're the only one to think so.
If they can barely maintain profitability by selling overpriced computers whose components are now almost three years old, then maybe they don?t deserve to survive in their present form. Maybe we?ll be better off with Apple becoming strictly a software company.
And their iPod engineering doesn?t impress me in the least. A $500 dollar toy whose lifetime is 1-2 years. It will be interesting to watch what will happen when the batteries start to die on all those iPod owners and they finally realize that their expensive toy is just a dead paperweight. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
mika.
The only real benefit I can see to switching away from PPC, other than cost, is that shortages of chips wouldn't be as common.
Yeah, I'm sure Apple never thought about making the battery replacable.
[quote] You're absolutely right, Bodhi. But I was trying to make a reference to the G5 in the sense that if they had a G5 up their sleeve, I would imagine SJ to be a lot more optimistic... <hr></blockquote>
...or he's got a pretty good poker face.
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"so we actually eek out a fair amount of performance from these things when all is said and done." </strong><hr></blockquote>
That sounds to me like Steve is finally admitting that they have a performance problem. Trying to "eek out a fair amount of performance" wouldn't really be necessary if <a href="http://www.apple.com/powermac/specs.html"; target="_blank">the dual 1GHz Power Mac G4 was an astonishing 68 percent faster than the fastest PC on the market with a 2.2GHz Pentium 4 processor</a>
So he's saying that right now, since they don't have any other options at this time, "the roadmap looks pretty decent". Wow! That's a glowing endorsement!
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There is also a comment about PDAs, Apple isn't going there. Jobs says that PDAs are going to be replaced by cell phones.</strong><hr></blockquote>
iPhone ???
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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If you took to aapl's stock price, you'll see that you're the only one to think so.
If they can barely maintain profitability by selling overpriced computers whose components are now almost three years old, then maybe they don?t deserve to survive in their present form. Maybe we?ll be better off with Apple becoming strictly a software company.
And their iPod engineering doesn?t impress me in the least. A $500 dollar toy whose lifetime is 1-2 years. It will be interesting to watch what will happen when the batteries start to die on all those iPod owners and they finally realize that their expensive toy is just a dead paperweight. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Let me see ur wrong on every single point its not even funny. why don't u read up on things before talking without knowing?
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
<strong>Not only does he say that the PPC roadmap looks good (I hope he has the same idea of Good as I do) but his statement puts off any possible move to another processor for aprox 18 months.
He is basically stating that they are looking for an aproximate 40% of Macs running OS X before they will look at a switch, and optamistically that would be by March-April next year based on his figures. For this type of switch they would have to pre-announce at least to developers, so the earliest we would hear about it is Apple Developers Conference next spring.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly. We are with Moto until X transition is complete. After that, Apple will have/does have multiple options.
[quote] This means one of two things:
1) Apple will keep using the G3 (made by IBM) for some time to come.
2) IBM will be making G4s/G5s for Apple. <hr></blockquote>
and..
3)AMD Opteron-core machine (backup plan)
4)Power4-core machine (as you mentioned IBM)
Options. So expect something huge next year around this time. I don't expect Moto to our chip maker anymore, either IBM or AMD but it doesn't look good for Moto. So I'd put my money on the Power4-core for this time next year.