Earlier MWSF keynote = more new hardware

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  • Reply 121 of 142
    glurxglurx Posts: 1,031member
    [quote]Originally posted by Leonis:

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    I guess their heads were all facing to the floor</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I'd quit (or more likely get fired when I told his Steveness where he could stick his temper-tantrums). Life is to short to take abuse from an employer.
  • Reply 122 of 142
    bodhibodhi Posts: 1,424member
    [quote]Originally posted by macgirl:



    2.) I was at the MWNY keynote this past summer, as I was leaving I walked directly infront of the stage, Steve was there yelling at a bunch of people about not having the new iMac ready, and it looked like his head was about to explode.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>



    More details pleeeease!



  • Reply 123 of 142
    [quote]Originally posted by macgirl:

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    2.) I was at the MWNY keynote this past summer, as I was leaving I walked directly infront of the stage, Steve was there yelling at a bunch of people about not having the new iMac ready, and it looked like his head was about to explode.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I find that hard to believe. VERY hard. If Steve for some reason thought (the morning of the speech) that the iMacs would be ready, then for some reason they weren't (right before he went on), then they would definately ahve been ready in the following weeks, and months...so they would have been released earlier at a special event. THey would not let completed iMacs sit around for 6 months.



    Andrew
  • Reply 124 of 142
    airslufairsluf Posts: 1,861member
  • Reply 125 of 142
    All I know, and I have sources close to Apple here in Oz, is that we are going to see Ti's with combo drives....no speed bump though. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
  • Reply 126 of 142
    primprim Posts: 33member
    wow. four pages discussing the 2.5 hours keynote... and nobody actually sees that this keynote will be in fact just 2 hours long ?

    <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

    Slightly longer than the past keynotes, but not so much finally !



    How do you count 9:00 am - 11:00 am ?



    <a href="http://www.macworldexpo.com/expo/keynotes/index.shtml"; target="_blank">http://www.macworldexpo.com/expo/keynotes/index.shtml</a>;
  • Reply 127 of 142
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    [quote]Originally posted by murbot:

    <strong>You think that's amazing? I was at a local computer store this evening talking with a sales guy I know quite well...

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I suspect you know a few mac sales associates quite well. You're probably something of a local celebrity in mac retail circles! Salesman, under his breath, "Is that murbot coming in? Thank god, it's been a slow week, finally I can make that last car payment!"
  • Reply 128 of 142
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    [quote]Originally posted by Prim:

    <strong>wow. four pages discussing the 2.5 hours keynote... and nobody actually sees that this keynote will be in fact just 2 hours long ?

    <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

    Slightly longer than the past keynotes, but not so much finally !



    How do you count 9:00 am - 11:00 am ?



    <a href="http://www.macworldexpo.com/expo/keynotes/index.shtml"; target="_blank">http://www.macworldexpo.com/expo/keynotes/index.shtml</a></strong><hr></blockquote>;



    easy. The logical consequence of RDF, a special subset called TDF (Time Distortion Field). It comes in twoi implementations short term TDF and long term TDF. The former for keynotes and latter for lulls in Mots chip production. Apple will secretly implant a remote module in all future products. This new device will seriptitiously accelerate you to the speed of light, and hold you in a wrap containment bubble. For you time will stand still untill mot can supply compettive chips. When you are returned to conventional reality, you will never have been aware of wintel products released during that time. In fact you will be awed that Apple could provide such a substantial upgrade in just 15 seconds since the last keynote. Eventually we will all exist in a form of suspended animation.
  • Reply 129 of 142
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    [quote]Originally posted by Prim:

    <strong>wow. four pages discussing the 2.5 hours keynote... and nobody actually sees that this keynote will be in fact just 2 hours long ?

    <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

    Slightly longer than the past keynotes, but not so much finally !



    How do you count 9:00 am - 11:00 am ?



    <a href="http://www.macworldexpo.com/expo/keynotes/index.shtml"; target="_blank">http://www.macworldexpo.com/expo/keynotes/index.shtml</a></strong><hr></blockquote>;



    Ummm that is something new.... The email and web site had the following info:



    Clipped directly from MacWorld/IDG before the change.

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    Keynote Announcement* - Important Date Change!



    Monday, January 7, 2002

    9:00 am - 11:30 am

    Steve Jobs, CEO, Apple

    ----------------------------------------



    They must have changed it again...



    Maybe it's due to the fact that the show sponsors had issues with the conferences that were being held that day... Remember while the show floor doesn't open till tuesday the conference sessions begin on Monday and the keynote change must have messed things up pretty bad in that arena.



    {edit}



    I just checked and guess what App has a very FULL day of events planned for Monday (9am till 5:30pm) Final Cut Pro!



    The folks who sign up for this stuff pay big bucks for access (top tier tickets I think) and since these are the same folks that spend lots of money on Apple hardware you don't wanna make em too mad.. after all, if they just push the sessions back those folks are now gonna be in sessions till 7:30pm and if the keynote went till 11:30 it would have been 8pm.



    That's one long day! What I think you'll find is the keynote will still go till 11:30 but this way 'on paper' things don't look quite as bad.



    I also find it interesting that the other two tracks (Photoshop and Filemaker Pro) are now listed not to begin until 12:30 on Monday... Does anyone have an older list of conference times to see if this is any different since the Keynote change? Since I can't make it to SF this year I threw my stuff out already.



    Dave



    [ 12-14-2001: Message edited by: DaveGee ]</p>
  • Reply 130 of 142
    murkmurk Posts: 935member
    Bill Gates speaks Monday evening at CES. Could Steve be trying to beat him to the punch on being the first to mention the digital hub concept in 2002?
  • Reply 131 of 142
    [quote]Originally posted by Prim:

    <strong>How do you count 9:00 am - 11:00 am ?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Oh nooooo...no new iMacs! No new G5s!



    Only new extra-squishy trackpads. &lt;sniff&gt;



    Alex
  • Reply 132 of 142
    [quote]Originally posted by Prim:

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    How do you count 9:00 am - 11:00 am ?

    </strong>

    <hr></blockquote>





    When they first made that date change it said that it was to take place between 9:00 am - 11:30 pm. They have since shortened it.
  • Reply 133 of 142
    bigcbigc Posts: 1,224member
    DaveGee- Maybe their going to show the new G5 at the FCP symp so big stevie is going to show everybody else the equipment at the same time.
  • Reply 134 of 142
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    I've been thinking about a few things...



    I first began to think that having the keynote the day before the show floor opens was a really good idea (if they had given advanced notice). It solves quite a few problems such as keeping things on the QT till the very last second.. Time over-runs etc etc etc.. but the more I thought about it I realized that even **IF** Apple had given advance notice or tried to do this for all the expos many people would still be upset.



    Who? The other vendors who pay big bucks to be on the show floor that's who! MacWorld isn't the type of event where the regular press would give it more than a single day (many don't even do that) not the Mac centric but main stream press... Those guys jump into the keynote do a quick once around the show floor and bang they leave to do their story.



    Well, having the keynote the day before doesn't allow that to happen... and I'm pretty sure if I had paid for a spot on the floor I'd be pissed as hell. I'd even make sure the shows promoter knew that and thus IDG would also be pissed...



    In my mind, the keynote is held on the day of the opening for a very good reason. The fact that in the past 18 years it has been like that (I think that is what the press release said) is also a pretty good indicate that moving it wasn't a good thing to do. Apple loves to keep things quite and I'm sure this idea has talked about before and axed for the reasons given above.



    Now they are doing it and they didn't even try to give some simple'reason (people get paid to think up excuses for stuff like this). The result, Apple has turned up the heat and if expectations for 'MAJOR BOMBAGE' didn't exist before, they sure do now! Had they come up some excuse (even a lame one) they could have put some form of a damper on the date change (but they haven't).



    All I can say is Apple had better deliver or people are going to be less than happy come that Monday afternoon.



    Dave
  • Reply 135 of 142
    Here's the run-down of the Keynote--

    Everyone gets settled as the Steve takes the stage.

    Business recap, sales, etc.

    Then....

    OS X 10.1 recap

    SJ: The sucess of OSX 10.1 has been tremendous. What's the next step? Well, we at Apple have been working hard the past year to bring you new products. Last month, as you may have seen, we released the iPod.

    Brief demo of the iPod--

    SJ: It is not just a great MP3 player. We designed it to be involved in the new generation of products. Why don't I show you how that works...:

    Unveil the LCD iMac loaded with OS X 10.2 (enhanced iPod interactivity) and slotloading Combo drive. Steve shows how the intergration of the iPod is the next best thing: the interconnectivity between iPod, iMac, and iTools (people have somehow forgotten about iTools, recently).

    SJ: That's great. But what if you want to go portable? Well, the new iBook has the same features.

    Unveil the new iBook, larger screen (13.3) and updated specs, with new connectivity via iPod. Recalls the Bus. recap on how important the iBook is to sales, and that they are commited to keeping it current.

    (one hour has elapsed)



    SJ: With the new speed of the iMacs and iBooks, the Pro line is looking a bit weak, I would say. Many have scorned us for not providing fast enough profession machines.



    Enter the Megahertz myth. Steve goes on to explain how the MHz does mean much, depending on chip architecture.

    SJ: But all that isn't good enough, especially for us at Apple. That's why we have the G5!

    An audience member is now asked to leave because the patrons around him detect a foul odor from the seat of his pants.

    G5 specs, etc.

    SJ: But how can we prove the speed to people?

    Enter, Photoshop X.

    G5 demo, with a bake off between Athalon and Pentium and G5. G5 with new PS X, kicks all their asses.

    (another hour has elapsed, totalling 2)



    SJ: So, what great products we've been working on for you! Apple has worked hard on these and wanted to tell you about them earlier, but it just wasn't the right time. We want them to be available immediately or just soon after their debut, so that you, our great customers, can take immediate advantage of them.

    Steve tells everyone that the iMac,iBook will be available immediately and the G5 in Feb.

    SJ: But there's one more thing. (Cheers from the audience) Remember the iMac and its slot loading Combo drive? I know many of you have been asking for it, so we've been able to incorporate the slot loading Combo drive in the Powerbook.

    Unveil the new Powerbook.

    SJ: The Powerbook will be shiping now with slot loadng drives: DVD, CD-RW and now Combo Drives.

    SJ closes and thanks everyone for coming.



    I think this is a realistic lineup, considering the other posts on the board.



    -CT
  • Reply 136 of 142
    [quote]Originally posted by Cosmic Trigger:

    <strong>

    I think this is a realistic lineup, considering the other posts on the board.

    -CT</strong><hr></blockquote>



    So you think they'll upgrade the entire product line at one show? I can see the combo drive in the TiBook but I don't know about a 13.3 inch screen on the iBook. I think thats pushing it.
  • Reply 137 of 142
    robbyrobby Posts: 108member
    I totally agre. maybe 13.3 inch ibook mwny 2002or mwsf 2003.
  • Reply 138 of 142
    Or MWTK.
  • Reply 139 of 142
    [quote]Originally posted by Willoughby:

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    So you think they'll upgrade the entire product line at one show? I can see the combo drive in the TiBook but I don't know about a 13.3 inch screen on the iBook. I think thats pushing it.</strong><hr></blockquote>





    If they're now cheap enough to stick into an iMac,they're cheap enough to stick into an iBook.



    The only reason why perhaps they wouldn't do this is because Jonathan Ives might be spread too thin, with all the new products 'n schmoo ...however, I don't think going 13" on the iBook is that much of a challenge. Thus, perhaps it's likely.
  • Reply 140 of 142
    tjmtjm Posts: 367member
    Re: Cost of LCD screens



    I think we need to remember that the current cost of LCD screens is not much different from what 15" CRTs cost in Summer 1998. Apple's margins will probably be thin at first, because now they need to retain (or improve) the feature set at the same prices. However, they should be able to increase their profits at constant prices as the components (notably the LCD) continue to fall in price.



    Historically, the cost of the display has been the main reason that laptops cost so much more than desktops. The "Wallstreet" PBs debuted in 5/98: $2300 got you a 12.1" screen, 800x600 res. To get the 14", you had to shell out $3500.



    Apple can afford to put combo drives and other goodies into TiBooks and iBooks mainly because the dropping LCD prices have given them some "headroom" and made them viable at the same price points.



    As Overtoasty said, if they can afford to put the 13.3" LCD into the iMac, they can certainly do it in the iBook. There's room for it, so it's a small engineering job. There may be other factors that may cause Apple to not do it, but I don't think component price or engineering will be to blame.
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