Apple is still working on software that is used to translate hand writing into text, probably based largely off of Newton's handwriting recog. The idea for this is probably going to be implemented in a type of portable writing format.
I don't want to say anything, but IBM's paper + Mac OS X...would be pretty bad @$$.
Over at ArsTechnica there's an article on Philips' new flexible displays... does anyone else remember the future designs that Apple put out about '88 or so, including Scroll and Quill?
Scroll was a 2" diameter tube, about 8" long, that had a flexible screen that rolled out like a windowshade, then locked into place at about 8x11". Quill was a pen that allowed pen recognition, it stored in the center of the tube at one end. I remember that they theorized that wireless networking would allow instant access to a large file server, that this would be just an access device. At the time it seemed like sheer fantasy.
Imagine a tablet that fits in your pocket, but big enough to work on. Nice.
Edit: removed blatant 'Kickaha was a ninny' tag
WHOA, do you have any links on the Quill and Scroll by Apple? I'm guessing you got it out of a Mag?
It's cool to speculate about this type of technology but till a day comes when the image (even the 'good ones' that are used to showcase the technology) improve I think it'll be a while before I'm sporting a device that uses em...
Looks like someone took a penknife to the displays... and those are what Philips are using as their 'GOOD' shots (for the press to use).
Don't get me wrong... everything new and cool like this has to have a start somewhere but... I don't think this stuff is ready to take out of the oven just yet.
Looks like someone took a penknife to the displays... and those are what Philips are using as their 'GOOD' shots (for the press to use).
You're kind of missing the point. Those shots are of their experimental versions, proof of the concept. I don't know how they are being produced, but what it says is that they can crank out "several" a week.
So it must be largely a manual process.
The tie up with Philips is to "industrialise" the process so that they can get consistency and speed - cranking out thousands per day.
This is like looking at someone's visualisation of a film shoot, and whining that the special effects will be junk because the marker work isn't great.
3D virtual environments may having limited usefulness in general OS interactions, and most apps, but in certain situations, they'd be a godsend!
That's basically it, keying text isn't going to benefit from a 3D environment, but productivity could be much better with applications where you are working in 3D, or where you are working with a mouse to manipulate complex things - like my example of working with beziers, or perhaps even working in Photoshop.
Imagine, reach in, my finger is the "brush", I?m getting feedback from the "surface"...
You're kind of missing the point. Those shots are of their experimental versions, proof of the concept.
Ummm okay I'll take your word for it but... how can you say that this (see link below) isn't done up like a "fancy publicity shot" showing off their product?
If you say those shots are just junky 'one offs' that they hand made then why 'spice up' the images to make it look like a finished product?
If you say those shots are just junky 'one offs' that they hand made then why 'spice up' the images to make it look like a finished product?
I suppose they see it as an achievement, and they want to make the most out of that - I don't suppose they're thinking that some bloke on AI is going to be saying "hey, look at those lines through it" any more than the blokes at NASA are worried that you may think their Mars rovers aren't very streamlined.
If you watch the videos and read the press releases what they are saying is "now we're going to industrialise the process".
I'll stand by my initial comments and leave it at that...
My main points:
- It's cool to speculate about this type of technology. TRUE
- It needs improvement before it'll show up in a device. TRUE
- Looks like someone took a penknife to the displays. TRUE
- This stuff isn't ready to take out of the oven just yet. TRUE
Given my main points... what do you disagree with?
- This stuff isn't cool to speculate about?
- This stuff doesn't need improvement before it can go into a device?
- This images don't look like someone scratched the heck out of them?
- This stuff really is ready to go now?
I never took anything AWAY from what they have done it's a cool FIRST step... but it's still gonna be quite some time before we get too excited about it.
Perhaps if we had a 'future-future hardware' forum...
What's easier: leafing through a file or wandering through a building? Doom OS ?
DoomOS was the best thing ever. I still grin when I hear about that thing.
That said, I think the next interesting things to do with UI development involve gestures and iTunes-style browsing for file management. 3D has some very good uses, but outside of those instances it becomes very cumbersome.
Can't find the bloody thing now, am thinking it was about '88 or '89, in a MacWorld, I think. Maybe MacUser.
Translation: I have no idea.
I just remember the idea and thinking it was *hellaciously* cool.
If they could start making those, that would be pretty awesome, just think how much less weight there would be to your portable computer if your screen just rolled out from one of it's end's and folded up.
There are many uses for this technology...just sanity, it can make your computer disappear off of your desk, allow more room for other things. Even that would be pretty cool.
Just to reiterate, you asked questions, I gave you the answers.
Now you seem to want to forget that!?
I think, rather, that DaveGee just doesn't agree and his sticking to his beliefs. I don't think your answers are THE end-all answers. What fun would "future hardware" be anyway, without opinions tossed around? I know I have changed my feelings by listening to some around here.
I think, rather, that DaveGee just doesn't agree...
I think that DaveGee says, "look at this crap, how can they expect to sell it, ha, ha, ha."
And I say, "well, they clearly say it's research and that they're now going to work on industrialising the process for future products"
And DaveGee says "that's what I said, they're not trying to sell me something by showing be flashy product of development products, it's a work in progress and we'll have to wait and see the real thing".
I think that DaveGee says, "look at this crap, how can they expect to sell it, ha, ha, ha."
To quote DaveGee, "Looks like someone took a penknife to the displays... and those are what Philips are using as their 'GOOD' shots (for the press to use)."
I don't think he's implying anything about selling these. They are clearly early development, and that was his point; so, from my point of view, why even show something so horrid! I'd rather have a 3D mockup or something, rather than this. Looks like a few pins on their Okidata 9-pin dot matrix printer are busted.
It's hard to show technology in early development, but until it doesn't offend people, I think it is best to keep actual images off the net. Show us the mockup or something....
To quote DaveGee: "If you say those shots are just junky 'one offs' that they hand made then why 'spice up' the images to make it look like a finished product?"
ie, I don't believe what you just wrote, Clive, I really think that's the finished product.
To quote DaveGee: "If you say those shots are just junky 'one offs' that they hand made then why 'spice up' the images to make it look like a finished product?"
ie, I don't believe what you just wrote, Clive, I really think that's the finished product.
I guess I read him as meaning that they made the image look like they were showing off a product, which may be true. However, the showoff is a major disappointment. I just don't think it's good enough to show off, even though it is just a "research" product. Wait a bit til it looks more polished, is what I gathered. Heh, I guess only DaveGee knows what he was implying.
I guess I read him as meaning that they made the image look like they were showing off a product, which may be true. However, the showoff is a major disappointment. I just don't think it's good enough to show off, even though it is just a "research" product. Wait a bit til it looks more polished, is what I gathered. Heh, I guess only DaveGee knows what he was implying.
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Originally posted by Matsu
You'll forgive me if my posts don't meet a proofing standard.
Oh, of course. I just thought it was funny.
I don't want to say anything, but IBM's paper + Mac OS X...would be pretty bad @$$.
-walloo.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Over at ArsTechnica there's an article on Philips' new flexible displays... does anyone else remember the future designs that Apple put out about '88 or so, including Scroll and Quill?
Scroll was a 2" diameter tube, about 8" long, that had a flexible screen that rolled out like a windowshade, then locked into place at about 8x11". Quill was a pen that allowed pen recognition, it stored in the center of the tube at one end. I remember that they theorized that wireless networking would allow instant access to a large file server, that this would be just an access device. At the time it seemed like sheer fantasy.
Imagine a tablet that fits in your pocket, but big enough to work on. Nice.
Edit: removed blatant 'Kickaha was a ninny' tag
WHOA, do you have any links on the Quill and Scroll by Apple? I'm guessing you got it out of a Mag?
-walloo.
Link: http://www.extra.research.philips.co..._rolldisp.html
Looks like someone took a penknife to the displays... and those are what Philips are using as their 'GOOD' shots (for the press to use).
Don't get me wrong... everything new and cool like this has to have a start somewhere but... I don't think this stuff is ready to take out of the oven just yet.
Dave
Originally posted by willywalloo
WHOA, do you have any links on the Quill and Scroll by Apple? I'm guessing you got it out of a Mag?
-walloo.
Can't find the bloody thing now, am thinking it was about '88 or '89, in a MacWorld, I think. Maybe MacUser.
Translation: I have no idea.
I just remember the idea and thinking it was *hellaciously* cool.
Originally posted by DaveGee
Looks like someone took a penknife to the displays... and those are what Philips are using as their 'GOOD' shots (for the press to use).
You're kind of missing the point. Those shots are of their experimental versions, proof of the concept. I don't know how they are being produced, but what it says is that they can crank out "several" a week.
So it must be largely a manual process.
The tie up with Philips is to "industrialise" the process so that they can get consistency and speed - cranking out thousands per day.
This is like looking at someone's visualisation of a film shoot, and whining that the special effects will be junk because the marker work isn't great.
Originally posted by TrevorD
3D virtual environments may having limited usefulness in general OS interactions, and most apps, but in certain situations, they'd be a godsend!
That's basically it, keying text isn't going to benefit from a 3D environment, but productivity could be much better with applications where you are working in 3D, or where you are working with a mouse to manipulate complex things - like my example of working with beziers, or perhaps even working in Photoshop.
Imagine, reach in, my finger is the "brush", I?m getting feedback from the "surface"...
Originally posted by Clive
You're kind of missing the point. Those shots are of their experimental versions, proof of the concept.
Ummm okay I'll take your word for it but... how can you say that this (see link below) isn't done up like a "fancy publicity shot" showing off their product?
If you say those shots are just junky 'one offs' that they hand made then why 'spice up' the images to make it look like a finished product?
http://www.extra.research.philips.co...rcollage_h.jpg
Dave
Originally posted by DaveGee
If you say those shots are just junky 'one offs' that they hand made then why 'spice up' the images to make it look like a finished product?
I suppose they see it as an achievement, and they want to make the most out of that - I don't suppose they're thinking that some bloke on AI is going to be saying "hey, look at those lines through it" any more than the blokes at NASA are worried that you may think their Mars rovers aren't very streamlined.
If you watch the videos and read the press releases what they are saying is "now we're going to industrialise the process".
You might also take a look at the host name for the image you pointed to: www.extra.*research*.philips.com...
My main points:
- It's cool to speculate about this type of technology. TRUE
- It needs improvement before it'll show up in a device. TRUE
- Looks like someone took a penknife to the displays. TRUE
- This stuff isn't ready to take out of the oven just yet. TRUE
Given my main points... what do you disagree with?
- This stuff isn't cool to speculate about?
- This stuff doesn't need improvement before it can go into a device?
- This images don't look like someone scratched the heck out of them?
- This stuff really is ready to go now?
I never took anything AWAY from what they have done it's a cool FIRST step... but it's still gonna be quite some time before we get too excited about it.
Perhaps if we had a 'future-future hardware' forum...
Dave
Originally posted by Matsu
What's easier: leafing through a file or wandering through a building? Doom OS ?
DoomOS was the best thing ever. I still grin when I hear about that thing.
That said, I think the next interesting things to do with UI development involve gestures and iTunes-style browsing for file management. 3D has some very good uses, but outside of those instances it becomes very cumbersome.
Still, I do wish someone would make a QuakeOS...
Originally posted by Kickaha
Can't find the bloody thing now, am thinking it was about '88 or '89, in a MacWorld, I think. Maybe MacUser.
Translation: I have no idea.
I just remember the idea and thinking it was *hellaciously* cool.
If they could start making those, that would be pretty awesome, just think how much less weight there would be to your portable computer if your screen just rolled out from one of it's end's and folded up.
There are many uses for this technology...just sanity, it can make your computer disappear off of your desk, allow more room for other things. Even that would be pretty cool.
-walloo.
Originally posted by DaveGee
...how can you say that this (see link below) isn't done up like a "fancy publicity shot" showing off their product?
If you say those shots are just junky 'one offs' that they hand made then why 'spice up' the images to make it look like a finished product?
Just to reiterate, you asked questions, I gave you the answers.
Now you seem to want to forget that!?
Originally posted by Clive
Just to reiterate, you asked questions, I gave you the answers.
Now you seem to want to forget that!?
I think, rather, that DaveGee just doesn't agree and his sticking to his beliefs. I don't think your answers are THE end-all answers. What fun would "future hardware" be anyway, without opinions tossed around?
Originally posted by Rhumgod
I think, rather, that DaveGee just doesn't agree...
I think that DaveGee says, "look at this crap, how can they expect to sell it, ha, ha, ha."
And I say, "well, they clearly say it's research and that they're now going to work on industrialising the process for future products"
And DaveGee says "that's what I said, they're not trying to sell me something by showing be flashy product of development products, it's a work in progress and we'll have to wait and see the real thing".
Which is, clearly, not what he said.
Originally posted by Clive
I think that DaveGee says, "look at this crap, how can they expect to sell it, ha, ha, ha."
To quote DaveGee, "Looks like someone took a penknife to the displays... and those are what Philips are using as their 'GOOD' shots (for the press to use)."
I don't think he's implying anything about selling these. They are clearly early development, and that was his point; so, from my point of view, why even show something so horrid! I'd rather have a 3D mockup or something, rather than this. Looks like a few pins on their Okidata 9-pin dot matrix printer are busted.
It's hard to show technology in early development, but until it doesn't offend people, I think it is best to keep actual images off the net. Show us the mockup or something....
ie, I don't believe what you just wrote, Clive, I really think that's the finished product.
Originally posted by Clive
To quote DaveGee: "If you say those shots are just junky 'one offs' that they hand made then why 'spice up' the images to make it look like a finished product?"
ie, I don't believe what you just wrote, Clive, I really think that's the finished product.
I guess I read him as meaning that they made the image look like they were showing off a product, which may be true. However, the showoff is a major disappointment. I just don't think it's good enough to show off, even though it is just a "research" product. Wait a bit til it looks more polished, is what I gathered. Heh, I guess only DaveGee knows what he was implying.
Originally posted by Rhumgod
I guess I read him as meaning that they made the image look like they were showing off a product, which may be true. However, the showoff is a major disappointment. I just don't think it's good enough to show off, even though it is just a "research" product. Wait a bit til it looks more polished, is what I gathered. Heh, I guess only DaveGee knows what he was implying.
Yes!!! Someone DID understand me!
8)
Dave