new firewire2 on the horizon

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
<a href="http://www.miglia.com/products/storage/mediabank_mtr/index.html"; target="_blank">http://www.miglia.com/products/storage/mediabank_mtr/index.html</a>;



so obviously theres very near plans for it to come out soon. what are the chances of apple letting firewire2 be made and sold by other manufacturers before its standard on all of their lineup?

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  • Reply 1 of 17
    [quote]MediaBank MT-R uses the fastest Oxford 911 based Firewire/IDE converters available today. Each hard drive is connected to a single converter to ensure maximum bandwidth at all times. The converter can be replaced by the user if an upgrade (FireWire 800 Mbit) should become available from Miglia Technology.<hr></blockquote>



    well... i´d say this is still pretty vague. i´d rather try to keep myself from premature ejaculation.
  • Reply 2 of 17
    wmfwmf Posts: 1,164member
    I don't think Apple has any control over 1394b. Companies will release 1394b products when they decide to do so.
  • Reply 3 of 17
    o and ao and a Posts: 579member
    [quote]Originally posted by wmf:

    <strong>I don't think Apple has any control over 1394b. Companies will release 1394b products when they decide to do so.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    The point is they have control whenter or not they put it on their hardware the rest will com later
  • Reply 4 of 17
    [quote]Originally posted by O and A:

    <strong>



    The point is they have control whenter or not they put it on their hardware the rest will com later</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Huh? WTF kinda sentence is that?
  • Reply 5 of 17
    [quote]The converter can be replaced by the user if an upgrade (FireWire 800 Mbit) should become available from Miglia Technology. <hr></blockquote>



    KEYWORD = SHOULD
  • Reply 6 of 17
    does anyone else remember when the original b/w G3 came out, it was heralded as being "legacy free"? well seems to me that USB 1 and FireWire 1 are turning into legacy ports. what happened to Apply being AHEAD of the curve, rather than trailing it. all i can say is FireWire 2 has to be around the corner. i hope it shows up soon, along with USB 2.
  • Reply 7 of 17
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,437member
    [quote]Originally posted by craig12co:

    <strong>does anyone else remember when the original b/w G3 came out, it was heralded as being "legacy free"? well seems to me that USB 1 and FireWire 1 are turning into legacy ports. what happened to Apply being AHEAD of the curve, rather than trailing it. all i can say is FireWire 2 has to be around the corner. i hope it shows up soon, along with USB 2.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    The problem is what current products are saturating a FW bus beyond RAIDS. Not many so their not a Warchant going for FW2 yet. USB2 is a different scenario because the initial USB hit it's ceiling much faster.
  • Reply 8 of 17
    blablablabla Posts: 185member
    I know I shouldnt do this but...



    This is from mackido, written in 1999:



    "FireWire already has 800 Mbps designed (1394b), and will evolve to that speed as we need it (and chips become more available). FireWire was designed to scale in the first place -- and there is also a 1.6 Gbps version or two in the books (not quite formalized, but ready to go if needed)..<strong> FireWire will go to 800 Mbps this year or next, and 1.6 Gbps probably in another year or so after that. USB 2.0 is not born yet... in fact, it isn't even yet fully conceived -- it is more a dirty thought in someone's mind.</strong> The draft for the specification is being finalized, but still has some more work to go. Give it another 6 months to a year (when FireWire is at 800 Mbps), and the requirements and design will be done for USB 2.0 -- another 6 month to a year, and the first versions might be leaking out -- and another 1 - 2 years to get all the bugs and kinks worked out (changes impact reliability) -- then another 2 - 3 years to get everyone using the higher speed versions of USB (if ever). USB 2.0 should be marketed as, "Yesterday's technology tomorrow... only worse".





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  • Reply 9 of 17
    big macbig mac Posts: 480member
    Great quote, blabla... It's too bad David K. got this one so very wrong. It seems as if what he predicted here came true, only in reverse. I wonder what's really holding up Firewire 2.



    [ 08-18-2002: Message edited by: Big Mac ]</p>
  • Reply 10 of 17
    cowerdcowerd Posts: 579member
    [quote]The point is they have control whenter or not they put it on their hardware the rest will com later<hr></blockquote>

    Isn't that the case with all available hardware tech?

    Apple doesn't control 1394. Its an open IEE spec with a tech workgroup. TI, who claims to have the first 1394b silicon isn't touting widespread delivery (i.e. production) until the second half of 2002.



    And then all this does not do any good (at least storage wise) until there is bridge chip/HD tech that can take advantage of 800 mb/s. most everything else that 1394 is used for right now works fine at 400 mb/s.
  • Reply 11 of 17
    *l++*l++ Posts: 129member
    The Oxford 922 800Mbps ATA bridge Firewire chip will start shipping at the end of the month. The current Oxford 911 chip is probably the most widespread ATA bridge in use at the moment.
  • Reply 12 of 17
    snoopysnoopy Posts: 1,901member
    It's tough trying to be a technology leader when you are low man on the totum pole. Apple has been getting luke warm support from some vendors. It looks like component availability may have been the slow down for FireWire 2. USB likely got all the development effort, and now folks can get around to 800 Mbps FireWire.



    I hope IBM will be very commited to delivering state of the art desktop processors for Apple. I think there is a good chance, since IBM would really like to stomp all over Intel in the performance race. Appe will give IBM a good chance to showcase their technology. IBM wants customers for their new plant, and what better way to demonstrate their prowess?
  • Reply 13 of 17
    screedscreed Posts: 1,077member
    Being the developers of the tech, they've been fully aware that, although successful, rollouts of newer Firewire revisions are past due.



    That's why,

    <a href="http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/apr/04zayante.html"; target="_blank">Apple acquired Zayante</a>.



    In fact, I believe the founders of Zayante came from the Apple division that developed Firewire.



    Another thing that's leeched some of the success (I wouldn't call Firewire lukewarmly received) is Intel. They're the ones who backed USB 2.0 as Firewire killer. Now USB 2.0 has definitely been lukewarm.



    Screed



    [ 08-18-2002: Message edited by: sCreeD ]</p>
  • Reply 14 of 17
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    What devies use all of the 400mbps bandwidth? I know 400mbps is peak and you can't expect that in the real world, but what devices use even 200mbps? DV cameras don't I dont believe. FW 2.0 is nice...ney FW 2.0 is amazing, but just like when FW first came out, its FAR ahead of its time...well maybe not far but a good amount. USB 2.0 is still not as good as FW, besides being slightly cheaper, it has no advantages...speed isn't even as good. Apple has always been ahead of its time...sometimes several yrs (causing problems, remember apple's handheld?)...lost my train of thought talking to a co-worker so i'll stop. but if i remember...ur in trouble!
  • Reply 15 of 17
    bigcbigc Posts: 1,224member
    The question is when are HD's going to be able to do more than 50MB/sec?
  • Reply 16 of 17
    screedscreed Posts: 1,077member
    <a href="http://www.macpower.com.tw/gm/archives/00000045.shtml"; target="_blank">Is 1394b dead?</a>



    [quote]General release of the world's first 1394B FireWire solution is slated for the December 2002 timeframe. Not only is the Oxford OXUF922 a 1394B link, it will also include an integrated USB2.0 Phy and Link layer as well! <hr></blockquote>



    Screed ...so the peripherals will be ready...
  • Reply 17 of 17
    bigcbigc Posts: 1,224member
    Interesting



    Complying with the ATA6 high-density drive specifications, the UF922's 133 MHz IDE controller handles a data rate of 80MBps and assures compatibility with all magnetic, optical and compact flash media. In non-storage applications, the IDE interface can be reconfigured as a high performance DMA host controller port.
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