The future is now?
Did anyone ever stop to think that all of the talk about a current PowerMac update "drought" is not any such thing? I mean, is it possible that the current G5's actually can do all of your computing needs, but maybe at slightly too high of a price?
I tend to think that it would be nice to have updates so that the power to price ratio could spread to the rest of Apple's line, but that the current G5's are not really slow at all. So I think it is fair to say that PowerMacs are not slow, but maybe just not where people want them to be in terms of power for their price?
BTW, I would also bet that Apple knows that most of its OS X installed base is on older G4 systems. So, it would be nice ot finally see an update that could send more G5's into the homes of non pro's. I'm sure it will happen, just not as soon as the "bleeding edge, crazies" like (some) of us want.
I tend to think that it would be nice to have updates so that the power to price ratio could spread to the rest of Apple's line, but that the current G5's are not really slow at all. So I think it is fair to say that PowerMacs are not slow, but maybe just not where people want them to be in terms of power for their price?
BTW, I would also bet that Apple knows that most of its OS X installed base is on older G4 systems. So, it would be nice ot finally see an update that could send more G5's into the homes of non pro's. I'm sure it will happen, just not as soon as the "bleeding edge, crazies" like (some) of us want.
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Originally posted by Messiahtosh
Did anyone ever stop to think that all of the talk about a current PowerMac update "drought" is not any such thing? I mean, is it possible that the current G5's actually can do all of your computing needs, but maybe at slightly too high of a price?
You're cracklicious, dude.
There is always a need for more power.
God save us.
Originally posted by Messiahtosh
Did anyone ever stop to think that all of the talk about a current PowerMac update "drought" is not any such thing? I mean, is it possible that the current G5's actually can do all of your computing needs, but maybe at slightly too high of a price?
You've never done heavy work with video, 3D, or any science/physics/chemistry/biology simulations/calculations.
Virginia Tech didn't just build a new supercomputer for fun. CPU power is in such high demand from some groups are more than willing to throw millions of dollars at getting faster computers.
What Kickaha said. There will *always* be a need for more power.
Shoot, even I could probably bring a top-end dual 2 Ghz G5 to its knees in just a few minutes with some 3D work.
Originally posted by Brad
Shoot, even I could probably bring a top-end dual 2 Ghz G5 to its knees in just a few minutes with some 3D work.
?3D rendering
?Working at supr high res' in photoshop and pretending it's vector
?Fun with multiple 3D effects in Illustrator CS
And let me tell you, from the various movies Brad posts on these boards, I'd imagine he has 100 windows in safari open and exposé-ing all around when he gets into his porn fits.
Originally posted by Brad
Shoot, even I could probably bring a top-end dual 2 Ghz G5 to its knees in just a few minutes with some 3D work.
of all the things a young man could think about bringing to its knees, leave it to a computer geek to have it be a G5...
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Originally posted by ast3r3x
porn fits.
sounds more like murbot...
though i am sure brad has p0rn hidden somewhere on his dual g4
g
No, there is always a need for more speed. Always. Just because you don't use all of it doesn't mean that no one will use all of it. Hell, most of the people here could get by with a 500 MHz G4.
The power will make software systems analyses not only possible but practical for everyday use.
boy, was he wrong
Originally posted by Luca Rescigno
Hell, most of the people here could get by with a 500 MHz G4.
Hell, some of us can (and do) get by with 500Mhz G3s or, heaven forbid, even less.
At this point, I've kept my iBook G3/500 and waited so long to buy a 12-inch PowerBook G4, that I'm thinking about waiting for Rev.C or even a 12-inch PowerBook G5.
I'm kind of like the pros that ignore rumors and buy when they have a need or the money. Except that I don't really need more power and there are plenty of other things on which to spend my disposable income.
Escher
Originally posted by a_greer
i am hakened back to a quote in the 50's from the ceo of ibm, "...the world needs 12 computers..."
boy, was he wrong
Wow, misquoted AND out of context
The correct quote is "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
That was said while he (Thomas Watson) was fighting with his son for control of the company. His (insightful) son was trying to ramp up IBM's computer business. Watson senior made that remark trying to impede his son's progress, without actually believing what he was saying.
Barto
Originally posted by Barto
Wow, misquoted AND out of context
The correct quote is "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
That was said while he (Thomas Watson) was fighting with his son for control of the company. His (insightful) son was trying to ramp up IBM's computer business. Watson senior made that remark trying to impede his son's progress, without actually believing what he was saying.
Barto
i stand corected...or...uh..here i sit
Originally posted by Escher
Hell, some of us can (and do) get by with 500Mhz G3s or, heaven forbid, even less.
At this point, I've kept my iBook G3/500 and waited so long to buy a 12-inch PowerBook G4, that I'm thinking about waiting for Rev.C or even a 12-inch PowerBook G5.
I'm kind of like the pros that ignore rumors and buy when they have a need or the money. Except that I don't really need more power and there are plenty of other things on which to spend my disposable income.
Escher
Great point. However, if I had a 500 MHz G3, especially one with no Quartz Extreme capability, I'd be running OS 9. I am not all that fond of OS 9, and it would mean giving up some of the things I love about my Mac - iChat (would have to use AIM), my iPod (third generation), the great variety of web browsers, true multitasking, etc. My dual 450 G4 is perfect for OS X. I will stick with it as long as possible and not waste more money on computer stuff I don't need.
Originally posted by Messiahtosh
I didnt mean that there is no need for more speed, but I am saying that the current speed is probably fine for MOST people. Also, if that speed could be had for way less money than it requires now, it wouldnt be as bad as not having the updates.
Well, yes. Right.
That's why Apple makes the eMac, iMac, and iBook. They're all a *LOT* cheaper than their Power* counterparts and they offer plenty of power for the casual user.
I was just in a computer lab full of 800 MHz flat panel iMacs the other day ago. Those things are plenty speedy for internet access, office apps, and other basic tasks.
However, the audience to whom you posed this question doesn't fall into this category of users. That's why your comments were blasted away so quickly here. For us, there never is enough power -- at least not any time soon. The apps we use grow every year and will readily gobble up any more compute cycles as they become available.
I mentioned above that I could easily max out a dual 2 Ghz G5 tower. I've spent *days* waiting for my dual 500 MHz G4 to render out some 3D scenes before. Until there is a cheaply available desktop that can render such scenes instantaneously, we won't have come close to "enough" for me.
Still, I'm using that dual 500 Mhz G4 every day. It is my only Mac. It is certainly enough for my casual needs. It's three-and-a-half years old now. I've struggled with it at times, but it still gets most jobs done pretty darned well.
Originally posted by Brad
However, the audience to whom you posed this question doesn't fall into this category of users. That's why your comments were blasted away so quickly here.
I thought it was because we didn't like him. Oh well guess I misunderstood
Just Kidding, Brad took all the fun out of this thread with his "rational responses"
Originally posted by murbot
God save us.
i'm busy right now, trying to speed mankind into an abominable living hell, so they'll enjoy my heaven more. maybe later.
by the by, i get by [bye bye bye] on a pmac g3/350. its plenty fast for my needs. well, when i constrain my needs to meet its limitations that is. actually, its kind of fun when you open the box and can actually see the 1s and 0s slowly move over the wires. but seriously, its "good enough." but, like, if i had 10 more MHz, i'd probably be able to compile my programs like the same day i write them. man, that'd be sweet. stupid capitalism keeps the capital away from us swingers though, so i continue with my craptacular "machine". its more like a very slow midget, wearing a bondi-blue plastic suit with a crayon welded onto his left hand, writing on the front of the monitor. occasionally, he grunts or wheezes, so i kick him squarely in his hard "drive". this "machine" (and as we've already gone over, i use that term loosely) once passed for top of the line.