No, the experience is not that much better. How much better would that actually be? In line with the price better? Of course not. 1500 versus 200. Better game play? Most often not the case, just the same repetitive crap.
A hobby? BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That's an insult to hobbiests.
No, the experience is not that much better. How much better would that actually be? In line with the price better? Of course not. 1500 versus 200. Better game play? Most often not the case, just the same repetitive crap.
A hobby? BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That's an insult to hobbiests.
Hob·by n. pl. hob·bies
An activity or interest pursued outside one's regular occupation and engaged in primarily for pleasure. Hobbyist: a person who pursues an activity in their spare time for pleasure.
The only thing insulting in this thread Matsu is you. You are being quite narrow-minded, obnoxious and rude.
Why can't you just accept that some people prefer computer gaming to console gaming? And why do you keep insulting computer gamers?
No, the experience is not that much better. How much better would that actually be? In line with the price better? Of course not. 1500 versus 200. Better game play? Most often not the case, just the same repetitive crap.
A hobby? BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That's an insult to hobbiests.
No, the experience is not that much better
Oh because you know, I see!
How much better would that actually be
Oh so you don't know?!
Look, just because your allowance doesn't allow you to experience superior gaming doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Whatever, get over yourself.
HAHA, I shouldn't argue with anonymous teens in an online forum, but I have a long history of mental discharge on this board.
When the topic warrants seriousness, I will supply it, this is no more deserving of seriousness than the religious discussions in AO.
If by hobby you mean diversion, fine, but it's still a stupid hobby. That isn't an insult, just an objective remark. Yes, I have the authority to declare my statements objective, in case you were wondering, by virtue of my superior intelligence, which I cast before you like the money shot in a porno.
Games run well on macs. For example, UT2k3 runs far better on my Dual 1Ghz DDR GF4Ti thna my friends Dual 1Ghz PIII GF4Ti. Absolutely thrashes it.Same goes for Halo performance.
This may be true, but look at the price difference. I think that is an issue. Your dual 1GHz was probably $2000, plus monitor. His dual P3 1 GHz was probably sub-$1000 including monitor...
No, I would NEVER buy a PoS x86 box, even of the Alienware/Falcon variety. The only way I'm ever coming off Mac is if Apple goes under!
My two-pence (that's two-cents for my american friends out there!)...
Apple have a great OS for work. The new G5s are beautiful, powerful etc and would play the new generation of games quite well. But the problem is as someone has already talked about - developers just don't see Macs as a viable return on their substantial investement.
With the consoles becoming so popular, even the PC format has suffered a bit. However, being a fanatic PC gamer, consoles are crap in comparison. Don't get me wrong - I like consoles for their ease of use etc - you just put the disc in and it works - no messing about like with the PCs. But the PC games are just sooooo much better.
There was a thread a while ago about emulation of Windows on the Mac (Virtual PC) and I asked if a top of the range G5 could run a PC game using virtual PC. The answer from the forum and now Microsoft was "no" as there is no hardware 3D graphic support in VPC. Someone else here talked about Microsoft porting Direct X to the Mac. I think if that happened, then the Macs would be in business - albeit for playing PC games and not games optimised for the Mac itself. [As an aside, I think Microsoft will 'go to town' on the whole VPC software and eventually stop producing all Mac software (Internet Explorer, Office, Media Player etc etc ) and just tell the Mac community that they should run the windows versions using VPC.]
Anyway, am tired so hope this makes sense. I guess in a nutshell I am saying that:
i) There's never going to be decent, consistent and widespread support for the perceived 'small' Mac market from the big games developers.
ii) Even firmly-rooted PC gaming is going to suffer with the console revoultion (PS3, X-Box 2 etc etc)
iii) Microsoft should get 3D hardware support (directX) onto the Mac using VPC or whatever so that Mac's can access the ENTIRE PC library of software - i think this would boost MAC sales too - i'd love to be playing BF1942 on a G5 / 23'
March is an eventful month for Nvidia, ATI, Future Technology, and Gaming.
CeBIT is 18th - 24th of March
The Game Developers Conference is the 22nd - 26th of March.
Do you think Apple would show up at any of these with, IBM, and nVidia? I doubt it, but it's a good dream. This could be the triple threat. a 3GHz G5, and an nVidia NV40 based graphics card both the graphics GPU, and the Processors are Made by IBM?
Here are the assumed specs:
Summary of what we know (or think to know) about NV40 at the moment:
nVidia NV40
175 millions transistors, manufactured in 130nm by IBM
8x2 architecture, but 16 Z/Stencil-test per cycle
DirectX 9.0 architecture, supports shaders 3.0
Doubled in number compared to NV38 and more efficient pixel shaders
256 bit memory interface, supports DDR1, GDDR2, GDDR3
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A hobby? BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That's an insult to hobbiests.
Originally posted by Matsu
No, the experience is not that much better. How much better would that actually be? In line with the price better? Of course not. 1500 versus 200. Better game play? Most often not the case, just the same repetitive crap.
A hobby? BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That's an insult to hobbiests.
Hob·by n. pl. hob·bies
An activity or interest pursued outside one's regular occupation and engaged in primarily for pleasure. Hobbyist: a person who pursues an activity in their spare time for pleasure.
The only thing insulting in this thread Matsu is you. You are being quite narrow-minded, obnoxious and rude.
Why can't you just accept that some people prefer computer gaming to console gaming? And why do you keep insulting computer gamers?
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Originally posted by Matsu
No, the experience is not that much better. How much better would that actually be? In line with the price better? Of course not. 1500 versus 200. Better game play? Most often not the case, just the same repetitive crap.
A hobby? BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That's an insult to hobbiests.
No, the experience is not that much better
Oh because you know, I see!
How much better would that actually be
Oh so you don't know?!
Look, just because your allowance doesn't allow you to experience superior gaming doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Whatever, get over yourself.
When the topic warrants seriousness, I will supply it, this is no more deserving of seriousness than the religious discussions in AO.
If by hobby you mean diversion, fine, but it's still a stupid hobby. That isn't an insult, just an objective remark. Yes, I have the authority to declare my statements objective, in case you were wondering, by virtue of my superior intelligence, which I cast before you like the money shot in a porno.
Originally posted by mattyj
Games run well on macs. For example, UT2k3 runs far better on my Dual 1Ghz DDR GF4Ti thna my friends Dual 1Ghz PIII GF4Ti. Absolutely thrashes it.Same goes for Halo performance.
This may be true, but look at the price difference. I think that is an issue. Your dual 1GHz was probably $2000, plus monitor. His dual P3 1 GHz was probably sub-$1000 including monitor...
No, I would NEVER buy a PoS x86 box, even of the Alienware/Falcon variety. The only way I'm ever coming off Mac is if Apple goes under!
Apple have a great OS for work. The new G5s are beautiful, powerful etc and would play the new generation of games quite well. But the problem is as someone has already talked about - developers just don't see Macs as a viable return on their substantial investement.
With the consoles becoming so popular, even the PC format has suffered a bit. However, being a fanatic PC gamer, consoles are crap in comparison. Don't get me wrong - I like consoles for their ease of use etc - you just put the disc in and it works - no messing about like with the PCs. But the PC games are just sooooo much better.
There was a thread a while ago about emulation of Windows on the Mac (Virtual PC) and I asked if a top of the range G5 could run a PC game using virtual PC. The answer from the forum and now Microsoft was "no" as there is no hardware 3D graphic support in VPC. Someone else here talked about Microsoft porting Direct X to the Mac. I think if that happened, then the Macs would be in business - albeit for playing PC games and not games optimised for the Mac itself. [As an aside, I think Microsoft will 'go to town' on the whole VPC software and eventually stop producing all Mac software (Internet Explorer, Office, Media Player etc etc ) and just tell the Mac community that they should run the windows versions using VPC.]
Anyway, am tired so hope this makes sense. I guess in a nutshell I am saying that:
i) There's never going to be decent, consistent and widespread support for the perceived 'small' Mac market from the big games developers.
ii) Even firmly-rooted PC gaming is going to suffer with the console revoultion (PS3, X-Box 2 etc etc)
iii) Microsoft should get 3D hardware support (directX) onto the Mac using VPC or whatever so that Mac's can access the ENTIRE PC library of software - i think this would boost MAC sales too - i'd love to be playing BF1942 on a G5 / 23'
Originally posted by Indecisive PC user
i) There's never going to be decent, consistent and widespread support for the perceived 'small' Mac market from the big games developers.
I refer you to the other FH thread 'XBox 2 SDK released'
March is an eventful month for Nvidia, ATI, Future Technology, and Gaming.
CeBIT is 18th - 24th of March
The Game Developers Conference is the 22nd - 26th of March.
Do you think Apple would show up at any of these with, IBM, and nVidia? I doubt it, but it's a good dream.
Here are the assumed specs:
Summary of what we know (or think to know) about NV40 at the moment:
nVidia NV40
175 millions transistors, manufactured in 130nm by IBM
8x2 architecture, but 16 Z/Stencil-test per cycle
DirectX 9.0 architecture, supports shaders 3.0
Doubled in number compared to NV38 and more efficient pixel shaders
256 bit memory interface, supports DDR1, GDDR2, GDDR3
Internal interface is AGPx8
Exact clock-speeds: unknown; estimated 500-600 MHz core and 600-800 MHz memory
Improvements for anti-aliasing: (at least) one new mode, its sub-pixel-mask is still unknown though
Improvements for anisotropic filtering: unknown
Presentation: CeBIT or GDC, end of March
Market entry: end of April or beginning of May 2004
Official name: GeForce FX 6XXX
While first purchasable NV40 graphics cards can be expected around the end of April or the beginning of May.
Here is a link to the story I got this from. LINK
BTW. I'm going to use this post in 3 threads, because it's relevant in all of them.