multi-cam support yeah might be cool to have and all, but maybe some better network support, and a group workflow would be nice, so more than one person could be working on say a massive thing at once. A cooler media manager, I wish they'd implement something kind of like collecting files like after effects or quark, maybe just on a per sequence basis to save hard drive space. Livetype really has some potential they should work on that more too.
I wish they'd implement something kind of like collecting files like after effects or quark, maybe just on a per sequence basis to save hard drive space.
It already does that.
If you select the sequence, choose "make clips independent", and then click on the media manager, it will only move, copy, etc. those files in the sequence. It's actually not a bad media manager in features, it's just that it's kind of buggy and can do some wierd things on larger projects if you're not careful-in other words it's not as fullproof as AVID's-yet.
Multicam editing. Users have been asking for this since version 3. Apple needs to add this before tackling any other option beyond HDV support.
Actually Kormac's feature set doesn't seem like a whole lot for a whole number release, it might just be a x.5 release, I mean if you look at it, it's just basically bug fixes, performance enhacements, and new file compatibilitie improvments/enhancements-other than the new QT codecs/MXF it'll support, there's no really new revolutionary editing "features" like Multi-cam, etc. I mean I'm hoping that it's not FCP 5 with the features that Kormac is listing, because they really aren't THAT much in the way of new, like FCP 3->4.
While kormac does make some interesting suggestions, they are really the same as last year. I agree that it is nice to see some of these posts, because some of the info could make for interesting upgrades. Just waiting for Matsu to wake up and smell the coffee brewing, logon, and.......post
If you select the sequence, choose "make clips independent", and then click on the media manager, it will only move, copy, etc. those files in the sequence. It's actually not a bad media manager in features, it's just that it's kind of buggy and can do some wierd things on larger projects if you're not careful-in other words it's not as fullproof as AVID's-yet.
oh dude I knew that it had it... its just that its never worked for me EVER. I just have to do it manually ALL the time. I want something fullproof. FCP is just so close to being there over Avid its not even funny. I personally like FCP much better that Avid as its easier to get started and done, but once a project gets complicated and big, I wish I was on an avid heh.
So what would the latest AAC inroads of late and the ability of Fraunhofer to get Surround Sound tracks onto the lowly mp3 ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3550833.stm ) mean to Apple and possible QTime7 announcements at NAB?
The latest on the Apple @ NAB rumors: Beyond the headline question -- will new PowerMacs ship at or around the National Association of Broadcasters conference in mid-April -- many new reports suggest a range of new hardware and software advancements waiting in the wings at Apple that could also be seen at NAB....
The new PowerMacs will of course be significantly faster, dual-processor across the line, and are rumored to sport one or more feature advancements which could include support for PCI Express, removal of the well-documented PMG5 Firewire 800 write speed bottleneck, et cetera...
But more than raw horsepower, those who work in broadcasting are looking for better workflow solutions and ways to stretch their budgets.
The new crop of NAB rumors are largely based around Apple bringing several new products and features to bear on the problem.
Some of the most popular rumors on today's grapevine are about software announcements at NAB -- a major new release of Final Cut Pro, possibly accompanied by new versions of Shake (v3.5) and even new QuickTime releases for both Mac OS X and Windows.
Apple Computer will take the wraps off the latest version of its industry-standard compositing and effects solution for film and HD during the annual NAB conference next month, reliable sources told AppleInsider.
Shake 3.5, as the company plans to call it, will boast new Warper and Morpher nodes along with improvements to playback caching, shape drawing, QuickTime integration and more, sources said.
New Warper and Morpher Nodes
Shake 3.5's new Warper and Morpher nodes will allow film editors to easily create specific warping effects using tools very similar to those used by the RotoShape node. By using shapes, editors can deform parts of an image to conform to shapes drawn in the Viewer, sources said.
The Warper node will be useful for creating targeted deformations to alter the shape of a subject in an image, while the Morpher node blends two images together to create the effect of one subject changing shape to turn into another.
Playback Caching and Playback Limiting
Shake 3.5 will sport a more predictable and improved caching logic, which will improve playback subject to the speed of the users computer and the amount of RAM available. However, Viewer playback in the new version will be limited to the frame rate specified by the user in the 'timecodeMode' parameter of the application's Globals tab.
Improved Shape Drawing
Improving on features added to Shake version 3.0.1, Shake 3.5 will also add several new commands and controls to aid editors in shape drawing and manipulation.
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For more precision, each shape's transform control now affects only that shape, even if control points on multiple shapes are selected. Likewise, holding down the Shift key while manipulating one or more selected points with the transform control will modify only the selected points instead of the entire shape. Holding the Command or Control key while dragging the center of a transform control will now move it in relation to the shape it's associated with.
With Shake 3.5, each shape in a RotoShape, Warper, or Morpher node will be labeled in the Viewer with a number ID based on the order in which it was created. By right-clicking any shape in the Viewer, users can display a shortcut menu with commands to hide that shape, hide other shapes, or show all shapes, sources said. Meanwhile, right-clicking anywhere in the Shake Viewer will display a shortcut menu that will allow users show or hide any shape in that node by its label.
User's will also be able to copy entire shapes--or shape fragments--between RotoShape, Warper, and Morpher nodes. When copying a shape from a RotoShape node to a Warper or Morpher node, users will have the option to assign it as a source, target, or boundary shape. In addition, several parameters in the 'guiSettings' section of the application's Globals tab will allow users to customize shape-drawing behaviors and shape transform controls in the Viewer.
Improved QuickTime Support
Shake?s handling of QuickTime clips greater than 8-bits has been greatly improved in Shake 3.5, sources said. It will also bring improved support for importing and exporting QuickTime clips using the Apple Uncompressed 8- and 10-bit 4:2:2 codecs.
Handling of DPX Files
Apple will also improve support for reading and writing of DPX images, offering improved for better compatibility with more film recorders, sources report. An additional parameter will allow users to specify the orientation of the output image as either 'Top to Bottom' or 'Bottom to Top' when rendering a DPX file with a FileOut node.
Custom File Header Metadata
For facilities using special file translators, Shake 3.5 will deliver internal support for blind data, which will allow for the preservation of metadata from custom file formats. When designing a file translator that places a file?s header metadata into Shake?s blind data container, the new version will now pass it down through the node tree.
Customized FlipBook and Additional Support for Qmaster
Finally, via the use of plugs, Shake 3.5 will deliver additional support Shake Qmaster and allow users to specify an external flipbook to come up as the default, sources said.
Shakes Industry Dominance
For the past three years WETA Digital, New Zealand?s foremost visual effects facility, has used Shake software as the primary film compositing system to handle the enormous visual effects requirements for New Line Cinema?s and Peter Jackson?s adaptation of J.R.R. Tolkien?s epic ?Lord of the Rings?trilogy.
This year's Annual Academy Awards presentation marked the seventh consecutive year Apple?s Shake compositing software has played a crucial role in a film winning the Academy Award for Best Visual Effects. The 2004 winners in this category from Weta Digital credited Shake as a key element in the creation of ?The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King.?br />
Apple is expected to debut Shake 3.5 during its invite-only "Moving Pictures. Moving Sound. Moving the Industry" event on April 18th at the NAB conference. The application is said to be just one of several announcements to be made by the company during the expo.
It's a shame that this was moved to General Discussion which has much lower traffic than Hardware. I feel that the AI people fear the K-MAn because he has an excellent track record for insider information while appleinsider.com is thinking about changing it's name to weaintgotjack.com
For all you doubters K-MAn is the real deal. Let's all visit this thread after NAB shall we?
1. Add Multicam support to FCP. Add a few codecs and sweeten for speed and reliablity.
2. Speed up DVDSP 2.0. Sweeten
3. Shake add features. Sweeten
4. Quicktime 7. Announce. Document watch Developers go nutty.
most FCP users are pretty darn happy. They just want relatively small updates and Multicam Multicam Multicam. If you're a producer of Wedding Videos then living without Multicam is hell.
Oh yeah
5. Logic 7 with Sculpture, Guitar Amp, UltraBeat and Waveburner Pro included. Let the audio guys have fun too!
You are right that alot of smaller improvements to each of those would make for some very dramatic cumulative effects that could "evolutionize" the NAB crowd industry. I would still be looking for something big that effects the ability of the creative folks to connect to consumers though too. Something like finally giving away QT Pro for free. I don't know how much Apple makes on it, but in the long run anything that gets consumers off Windows will make everyone happier.
We really haven't seen any products (beyond DVC Pro 50 vaporware) come out of the Apple/Panasonic axis. In fact at a trade show I went to last year, a Panasonic rep said Apple was prohibiting him from even mentioning Apple in his presentation concerning DVC Pro HD and 24p video.
So what could we know?
We know Panasonic's been running around SBE meetings the past six months or so to show off a prototype ENG camera that uses solid state memory. We know Uncle Steve promised 3 GHz G5s by next summer. We know IBM's having a Power PC roadmap preso on March 31st. We know Apple's just put on their "Pro" section of their website a plug for Clear Channel's Salt Lake City TV station use of FCP.
(Not for nothing does the broadcast industry call the company 'Cheap Channel.' But that's another board.)
Out of all these bits of sundry information, we can speculate that Apple will launch some new hardware there. The reason I say this is that right now, using Apple's own figures, 75% of broadcasting engineers will only let a Mac in over their dead bodies. For Apple to change this state of affairs, they've got to introduce a machine that will cause the bean-counters to overrule the station engineers.
This is precisely what happened in Salt Lake City. Clear Channel has, the last I heard, somewhere around 3,000 Macs on the radio side, maintained by four (4) people. Given the margins of broadcasting recently, I'd look for Apple to pound the CC message home at NAB, probably with some sort of splashy event.
an After effect killer :live effect pro what ever you call it
Pentium killer, no problem.
Avid killer, Avid kills all aps for OS X in year...
Dito for Protools...
AE killer, Adobe kills AE, joining a number of apps that they've discontinued for OS X...
I'm no sure that Apple killing these apps for OS X is a good thing. Sure, competition is a good thing, but with the advantages that Apple has over all third party software makers obviates competition. Faced with this, companies have chosen not to even bother competing (citing low demand/apple marketshare as the reason).
It's a shame that this was moved to General Discussion which has much lower traffic than Hardware. I feel that the AI people fear the K-MAn because he has an excellent track record for insider information while appleinsider.com is thinking about changing it's name to weaintgotjack.com
The front end rumors on www.appleinsider.com have absolutely nothing to do with the forums; they are run by wholly separate individuals. As such. your faithful mods and admins have no desire to fear or censor anyone in the forums because, god forbid, they may have something credible to say.
We do respect the way you feel though, even if it is wrong.
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Originally posted by kraig911
I wish they'd implement something kind of like collecting files like after effects or quark, maybe just on a per sequence basis to save hard drive space.
It already does that.
If you select the sequence, choose "make clips independent", and then click on the media manager, it will only move, copy, etc. those files in the sequence. It's actually not a bad media manager in features, it's just that it's kind of buggy and can do some wierd things on larger projects if you're not careful-in other words it's not as fullproof as AVID's-yet.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Multicam editing. Users have been asking for this since version 3. Apple needs to add this before tackling any other option beyond HDV support.
Actually Kormac's feature set doesn't seem like a whole lot for a whole number release, it might just be a x.5 release, I mean if you look at it, it's just basically bug fixes, performance enhacements, and new file compatibilitie improvments/enhancements-other than the new QT codecs/MXF it'll support, there's no really new revolutionary editing "features" like Multi-cam, etc. I mean I'm hoping that it's not FCP 5 with the features that Kormac is listing, because they really aren't THAT much in the way of new, like FCP 3->4.
Originally posted by jean-yves
hey kormac you forgot logic pro 7 the protools killer
new interface more ala protools
and third party card
and surround and and
so now you have
a pentium killer: the g5
an avid killer :fcp5
a protools killer :logic 7
an After effect killer :live effect pro what ever you call it
a flame killer: Shake
and soon a spielberg killer: talent
...and even sooner: A thread killer.
This is FH how?
...oooh ooooh - I know: Apple will release something at WWDC.
Thanks for the great insider information. I just wish you would post more often because there just isn't anyone else posting credible information.
ThANks and PARTY ON!
Come on, man, where are you?
Originally posted by twinturbo
It already does that.
If you select the sequence, choose "make clips independent", and then click on the media manager, it will only move, copy, etc. those files in the sequence. It's actually not a bad media manager in features, it's just that it's kind of buggy and can do some wierd things on larger projects if you're not careful-in other words it's not as fullproof as AVID's-yet.
oh dude I knew that it had it... its just that its never worked for me EVER. I just have to do it manually ALL the time. I want something fullproof. FCP is just so close to being there over Avid its not even funny. I personally like FCP much better that Avid as its easier to get started and done, but once a project gets complicated and big, I wish I was on an avid heh.
Originally posted by jean-yves
hey kormac you forgot logic pro 7 the protools killer
new interface more ala protools
and third party card
and surround and and
Apogee should be the company for the A/D/A .......just a feeling ;-)
Try:
www.apogeedigital.com
specially the x fire wire card
http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/xcards.php
FCP5,QuickTime7 ?
The latest on the Apple @ NAB rumors: Beyond the headline question -- will new PowerMacs ship at or around the National Association of Broadcasters conference in mid-April -- many new reports suggest a range of new hardware and software advancements waiting in the wings at Apple that could also be seen at NAB....
The new PowerMacs will of course be significantly faster, dual-processor across the line, and are rumored to sport one or more feature advancements which could include support for PCI Express, removal of the well-documented PMG5 Firewire 800 write speed bottleneck, et cetera...
But more than raw horsepower, those who work in broadcasting are looking for better workflow solutions and ways to stretch their budgets.
The new crop of NAB rumors are largely based around Apple bringing several new products and features to bear on the problem.
Some of the most popular rumors on today's grapevine are about software announcements at NAB -- a major new release of Final Cut Pro, possibly accompanied by new versions of Shake (v3.5) and even new QuickTime releases for both Mac OS X and Windows.
And
Shake 3.5 ?
Apple readies Shake 3.5 for NAB conference debut
Apple Computer will take the wraps off the latest version of its industry-standard compositing and effects solution for film and HD during the annual NAB conference next month, reliable sources told AppleInsider.
Shake 3.5, as the company plans to call it, will boast new Warper and Morpher nodes along with improvements to playback caching, shape drawing, QuickTime integration and more, sources said.
New Warper and Morpher Nodes
Shake 3.5's new Warper and Morpher nodes will allow film editors to easily create specific warping effects using tools very similar to those used by the RotoShape node. By using shapes, editors can deform parts of an image to conform to shapes drawn in the Viewer, sources said.
The Warper node will be useful for creating targeted deformations to alter the shape of a subject in an image, while the Morpher node blends two images together to create the effect of one subject changing shape to turn into another.
Playback Caching and Playback Limiting
Shake 3.5 will sport a more predictable and improved caching logic, which will improve playback subject to the speed of the users computer and the amount of RAM available. However, Viewer playback in the new version will be limited to the frame rate specified by the user in the 'timecodeMode' parameter of the application's Globals tab.
Improved Shape Drawing
Improving on features added to Shake version 3.0.1, Shake 3.5 will also add several new commands and controls to aid editors in shape drawing and manipulation.
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For more precision, each shape's transform control now affects only that shape, even if control points on multiple shapes are selected. Likewise, holding down the Shift key while manipulating one or more selected points with the transform control will modify only the selected points instead of the entire shape. Holding the Command or Control key while dragging the center of a transform control will now move it in relation to the shape it's associated with.
With Shake 3.5, each shape in a RotoShape, Warper, or Morpher node will be labeled in the Viewer with a number ID based on the order in which it was created. By right-clicking any shape in the Viewer, users can display a shortcut menu with commands to hide that shape, hide other shapes, or show all shapes, sources said. Meanwhile, right-clicking anywhere in the Shake Viewer will display a shortcut menu that will allow users show or hide any shape in that node by its label.
User's will also be able to copy entire shapes--or shape fragments--between RotoShape, Warper, and Morpher nodes. When copying a shape from a RotoShape node to a Warper or Morpher node, users will have the option to assign it as a source, target, or boundary shape. In addition, several parameters in the 'guiSettings' section of the application's Globals tab will allow users to customize shape-drawing behaviors and shape transform controls in the Viewer.
Improved QuickTime Support
Shake?s handling of QuickTime clips greater than 8-bits has been greatly improved in Shake 3.5, sources said. It will also bring improved support for importing and exporting QuickTime clips using the Apple Uncompressed 8- and 10-bit 4:2:2 codecs.
Handling of DPX Files
Apple will also improve support for reading and writing of DPX images, offering improved for better compatibility with more film recorders, sources report. An additional parameter will allow users to specify the orientation of the output image as either 'Top to Bottom' or 'Bottom to Top' when rendering a DPX file with a FileOut node.
Custom File Header Metadata
For facilities using special file translators, Shake 3.5 will deliver internal support for blind data, which will allow for the preservation of metadata from custom file formats. When designing a file translator that places a file?s header metadata into Shake?s blind data container, the new version will now pass it down through the node tree.
Customized FlipBook and Additional Support for Qmaster
Finally, via the use of plugs, Shake 3.5 will deliver additional support Shake Qmaster and allow users to specify an external flipbook to come up as the default, sources said.
Shakes Industry Dominance
For the past three years WETA Digital, New Zealand?s foremost visual effects facility, has used Shake software as the primary film compositing system to handle the enormous visual effects requirements for New Line Cinema?s and Peter Jackson?s adaptation of J.R.R. Tolkien?s epic ?Lord of the Rings?trilogy.
This year's Annual Academy Awards presentation marked the seventh consecutive year Apple?s Shake compositing software has played a crucial role in a film winning the Academy Award for Best Visual Effects. The 2004 winners in this category from Weta Digital credited Shake as a key element in the creation of ?The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King.?br />
Apple is expected to debut Shake 3.5 during its invite-only "Moving Pictures. Moving Sound. Moving the Industry" event on April 18th at the NAB conference. The application is said to be just one of several announcements to be made by the company during the expo.
For all you doubters K-MAn is the real deal. Let's all visit this thread after NAB shall we?
1. Add Multicam support to FCP. Add a few codecs and sweeten for speed and reliablity.
2. Speed up DVDSP 2.0. Sweeten
3. Shake add features. Sweeten
4. Quicktime 7. Announce. Document watch Developers go nutty.
most FCP users are pretty darn happy. They just want relatively small updates and Multicam Multicam Multicam. If you're a producer of Wedding Videos then living without Multicam is hell.
Oh yeah
5. Logic 7 with Sculpture, Guitar Amp, UltraBeat and Waveburner Pro included. Let the audio guys have fun too!
We really haven't seen any products (beyond DVC Pro 50 vaporware) come out of the Apple/Panasonic axis. In fact at a trade show I went to last year, a Panasonic rep said Apple was prohibiting him from even mentioning Apple in his presentation concerning DVC Pro HD and 24p video.
So what could we know?
We know Panasonic's been running around SBE meetings the past six months or so to show off a prototype ENG camera that uses solid state memory. We know Uncle Steve promised 3 GHz G5s by next summer. We know IBM's having a Power PC roadmap preso on March 31st. We know Apple's just put on their "Pro" section of their website a plug for Clear Channel's Salt Lake City TV station use of FCP.
(Not for nothing does the broadcast industry call the company 'Cheap Channel.' But that's another board.)
Out of all these bits of sundry information, we can speculate that Apple will launch some new hardware there. The reason I say this is that right now, using Apple's own figures, 75% of broadcasting engineers will only let a Mac in over their dead bodies. For Apple to change this state of affairs, they've got to introduce a machine that will cause the bean-counters to overrule the station engineers.
This is precisely what happened in Salt Lake City. Clear Channel has, the last I heard, somewhere around 3,000 Macs on the radio side, maintained by four (4) people. Given the margins of broadcasting recently, I'd look for Apple to pound the CC message home at NAB, probably with some sort of splashy event.
Just a couple weeks more, folks!
Originally posted by jean-yves
so now you have
a pentium killer: the g5
an avid killer :fcp5
a protools killer :logic 7
an After effect killer :live effect pro what ever you call it
Pentium killer, no problem.
Avid killer, Avid kills all aps for OS X in year...
Dito for Protools...
AE killer, Adobe kills AE, joining a number of apps that they've discontinued for OS X...
I'm no sure that Apple killing these apps for OS X is a good thing. Sure, competition is a good thing, but with the advantages that Apple has over all third party software makers obviates competition. Faced with this, companies have chosen not to even bother competing (citing low demand/apple marketshare as the reason).
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/...23/framemaker/
As NAB approaches do you having any new insider info.?
What can we expect at WWDC (you can post that to future hardware and hopefully you won't get railroaded again)?
Originally posted by Merlion
It's a shame that this was moved to General Discussion which has much lower traffic than Hardware. I feel that the AI people fear the K-MAn because he has an excellent track record for insider information while appleinsider.com is thinking about changing it's name to weaintgotjack.com
The front end rumors on www.appleinsider.com have absolutely nothing to do with the forums; they are run by wholly separate individuals. As such. your faithful mods and admins have no desire to fear or censor anyone in the forums because, god forbid, they may have something credible to say.
We do respect the way you feel though, even if it is wrong.
We do respect the way you feel though, even if it is wrong.
And that sums up the attitude of any mod anywhere.