Interesting, I didn't read the article but noticed this quote posted above-
[quote]Our sources have told us that Eleven was killed either in late 2001 or early 2002. Test boxes at certain locations we were made aware of were rumored to contain the Eleven processor(s). As we mentioned before (see late 2001 timeframe articles on Architosh) were heard these boxes were so fast that it was almost ridiculous when compared to Intel x86. Our sources at these test locations told us that in February Apple techs came and took the test units away. That was likely the ending point of the Eleven era at Moto.
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Is it just me or does that ring sound familiar to what Dorsal once posted? Didn't he say the boxes were super fast then Apple came and just took them away. Shortly after that we never heard from Dorsal again. Not saying they copied Dorsal, but that maybe there is a connection, adding to the authenticity of the news.
Unless Apple says they canned Moto's 'G5' then...it's rumour fluff. May sound 'plausible' but many rumours can to the untrained eye.
Moto' have dicked Apple around that much I wouldn't be surprised if Apple just decided that they went with someone they could rely on for their next processor.
A company with a future. Roadmap. Tech'. And ability to deliver on their promises in a timely fashion. Out of Moto' and IBM?
<strong>Unless Apple says they canned Moto's 'G5' then...it's rumour fluff. May sound 'plausible' but many rumours can to the untrained eye.
Moto' have dicked Apple around that much I wouldn't be surprised if Apple just decided that they went with someone they could rely on for their next processor.
A company with a future. Roadmap. Tech'. And ability to deliver on their promises in a timely fashion. Out of Moto' and IBM?
It's IBM.
Lemon Bon Bon</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not that "black and white" about it. I try to maintain a graduated scale from "Absolutely bogus" to "Very likely true". As I acquire new information, I integrate it into what I already know. This then changes the my mental ratings up or down.
An example of why rumors are useful: My Dad was in the market for a new Mac a couple years ago (Summer '00, IIRC). The rumor sites were full of stuff about dual-processor Macs being announced at MWNY, so I suggested he hold off for a bit. He went ahead and bought one anyway two weeks before MWNY, where the dual-procs were indeed announced. He was pissed. (I politely refrained from saying, "Nyah, nyah - told you so!") Now, he always calls me before buying anything to see what the current scuttlebut is.
As to the G5 stuff, it still may be relevant. We have no Moto G5s available currently, so whatever happened last winter is moot as far as that goes.
IF this "Eleven" chip actually existed, I doubt that Moto would just throw it and all their R&D on it out the window because Apple had a major problem with it. It would seem likely that they would go back to the labs and try to fix whatever it was that Apple objected to. A derivative of this chip may still be in the works. We've heard absolutely nothing "officially" from Motorola about desktop PPC development for a LONG time. That would make sense if either a) they're not doing it anymore (good probability), or b) they're busting their tails trying to get this chip up to Apple's specs while keeping the whole thing dead secret (also good probability).
To add a bit of fuel to the paranoia fire, the roadmap describing the MPC7457 AND the Altivec Errata document containing references to the "75XX family" of processors have disappeared from the Motorola web site. It may mean nothing, but then it could be they're trying to keep the lid on a can o' worms.
None of this proves a thing, in and of itself. They are simply more bits of information that are gradually nudging the "Moto G5 Soon" rumor towards reasonable credibility. I'm not a "true believer" yet, but I'd rate it about a 6/10 on credibility right now. And, as I said before, that will rise or fall based on other information in the future.
And I agree with you that the 970 is the sure thing at this point - and quite likely better than the phantom Moto G5. If this G5 chip does exist, either we'll see it in January (to plug the gap until the 970) or it will never show.
And I agree with you that the 970 is the sure thing at this point - and quite likely better than the phantom Moto G5. If this G5 chip does exist, either we'll see it in January (to plug the gap until the 970) or it will never show.
Based on what the editor in chief of the Microprocessor Report said, the G5 exists. Here is his quote (from Aug '02).
?My understanding is that the G5 processor will appear in Macs in due course, and that Motorola intends to support and extend this product line as long as Apple remains in business.?
Based on what the editor in chief of the Microprocessor Report said, the G5 exists. Here is his quote (from Aug '02).
?My understanding is that the G5 processor will appear in Macs in due course, and that Motorola intends to support and extend this product line as long as Apple remains in business.?
Yeah, I'd forgotten about that. Thanks. That kicks this Moto G5 stuff up to about an 8/10 for me. The only uncertainty is Moto's ability to deliver. I fear they may be so long to market with it, that when it finally appears it will be like Intel announcing a new 486 chip today.
If Moto CAN deliver this thing, Apple may be suffering from an embarrassment of CPU riches this time next year. Eleven's successor (the "Twelve"?) could be another real screamer to complement the 970. Could make for a very interesting product matrix - but at least we've got the 970 coming no matter what.
And I agree with you that the 970 is the sure thing at this point - and quite likely better than the phantom Moto G5. If this G5 chip does exist, either we'll see it in January (to plug the gap until the 970) or it will never show.
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Can anyone confirm that Apple has officially signed up for the IBM 970 part, or is the sure thing in our own minds?
Can anyone confirm that Apple has officially signed up for the IBM 970 part, or is the sure thing in our own minds?</strong><hr></blockquote>
To the best of my knowledge, Apple has said absolutely nothing. By referring to the 970 as "the sure thing", I simply meant that we know officially that (assuming no major disasters) there will be an advanced PPC chip available for Apple next year.
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Thats only in texas in the redneck communities...
[quote]Our sources have told us that Eleven was killed either in late 2001 or early 2002. Test boxes at certain locations we were made aware of were rumored to contain the Eleven processor(s). As we mentioned before (see late 2001 timeframe articles on Architosh) were heard these boxes were so fast that it was almost ridiculous when compared to Intel x86. Our sources at these test locations told us that in February Apple techs came and took the test units away. That was likely the ending point of the Eleven era at Moto.
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Is it just me or does that ring sound familiar to what Dorsal once posted? Didn't he say the boxes were super fast then Apple came and just took them away. Shortly after that we never heard from Dorsal again. Not saying they copied Dorsal, but that maybe there is a connection, adding to the authenticity of the news.
Either way, 970 is the future
Moto' have dicked Apple around that much I wouldn't be surprised if Apple just decided that they went with someone they could rely on for their next processor.
A company with a future. Roadmap. Tech'. And ability to deliver on their promises in a timely fashion. Out of Moto' and IBM?
It's IBM.
Lemon Bon Bon
<strong>Unless Apple says they canned Moto's 'G5' then...it's rumour fluff. May sound 'plausible' but many rumours can to the untrained eye.
Moto' have dicked Apple around that much I wouldn't be surprised if Apple just decided that they went with someone they could rely on for their next processor.
A company with a future. Roadmap. Tech'. And ability to deliver on their promises in a timely fashion. Out of Moto' and IBM?
It's IBM.
Lemon Bon Bon</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not that "black and white" about it. I try to maintain a graduated scale from "Absolutely bogus" to "Very likely true". As I acquire new information, I integrate it into what I already know. This then changes the my mental ratings up or down.
An example of why rumors are useful: My Dad was in the market for a new Mac a couple years ago (Summer '00, IIRC). The rumor sites were full of stuff about dual-processor Macs being announced at MWNY, so I suggested he hold off for a bit. He went ahead and bought one anyway two weeks before MWNY, where the dual-procs were indeed announced. He was pissed. (I politely refrained from saying, "Nyah, nyah - told you so!") Now, he always calls me before buying anything to see what the current scuttlebut is.
As to the G5 stuff, it still may be relevant. We have no Moto G5s available currently, so whatever happened last winter is moot as far as that goes.
IF this "Eleven" chip actually existed, I doubt that Moto would just throw it and all their R&D on it out the window because Apple had a major problem with it. It would seem likely that they would go back to the labs and try to fix whatever it was that Apple objected to. A derivative of this chip may still be in the works. We've heard absolutely nothing "officially" from Motorola about desktop PPC development for a LONG time. That would make sense if either a) they're not doing it anymore (good probability), or b) they're busting their tails trying to get this chip up to Apple's specs while keeping the whole thing dead secret (also good probability).
To add a bit of fuel to the paranoia fire, the roadmap describing the MPC7457 AND the Altivec Errata document containing references to the "75XX family" of processors have disappeared from the Motorola web site. It may mean nothing, but then it could be they're trying to keep the lid on a can o' worms.
None of this proves a thing, in and of itself. They are simply more bits of information that are gradually nudging the "Moto G5 Soon" rumor towards reasonable credibility. I'm not a "true believer" yet, but I'd rate it about a 6/10 on credibility right now. And, as I said before, that will rise or fall based on other information in the future.
And I agree with you that the 970 is the sure thing at this point - and quite likely better than the phantom Moto G5. If this G5 chip does exist, either we'll see it in January (to plug the gap until the 970) or it will never show.
[ 10-24-2002: Message edited by: TJM ]</p>
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And I agree with you that the 970 is the sure thing at this point - and quite likely better than the phantom Moto G5. If this G5 chip does exist, either we'll see it in January (to plug the gap until the 970) or it will never show.
[ 10-24-2002: Message edited by: TJM ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Based on what the editor in chief of the Microprocessor Report said, the G5 exists. Here is his quote (from Aug '02).
?My understanding is that the G5 processor will appear in Macs in due course, and that Motorola intends to support and extend this product line as long as Apple remains in business.?
Taken from this article:
<a href="http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/top_news_item.cfm?NewsID=5400"; target="_blank">http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/top_news_item.cfm?NewsID=5400</a>;
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In that case, I believe you should learn the proper usage of the "apostrophe". </strong><hr></blockquote>
To the original poster, try <a href="http://www.rykodisc.com/Catalog/dump/rykoalbums_533.asp"; target="_blank">here</a> for information regarding the proper usage of an apostrophe.
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Based on what the editor in chief of the Microprocessor Report said, the G5 exists. Here is his quote (from Aug '02).
?My understanding is that the G5 processor will appear in Macs in due course, and that Motorola intends to support and extend this product line as long as Apple remains in business.?
Taken from this article:
<a href="http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/top_news_item.cfm?NewsID=5400"; target="_blank">http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/top_news_item.cfm?NewsID=5400</a></strong><hr></blockquote>;
Yeah, I'd forgotten about that. Thanks. That kicks this Moto G5 stuff up to about an 8/10 for me. The only uncertainty is Moto's ability to deliver. I fear they may be so long to market with it, that when it finally appears it will be like Intel announcing a new 486 chip today.
If Moto CAN deliver this thing, Apple may be suffering from an embarrassment of CPU riches this time next year. Eleven's successor (the "Twelve"?) could be another real screamer to complement the 970. Could make for a very interesting product matrix - but at least we've got the 970 coming no matter what.
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To the original poster, try <a href="http://www.rykodisc.com/Catalog/dump/rykoalbums_533.asp"; target="_blank">here</a> for information regarding the proper usage of an apostrophe.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ahhh, Zappa. He does have a unique outlook on Life.
Don't eat the brown snow either!
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And I agree with you that the 970 is the sure thing at this point - and quite likely better than the phantom Moto G5. If this G5 chip does exist, either we'll see it in January (to plug the gap until the 970) or it will never show.
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Can anyone confirm that Apple has officially signed up for the IBM 970 part, or is the sure thing in our own minds?
But as Jobs said, they will have alternatives and that is all that is known.
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Can anyone confirm that Apple has officially signed up for the IBM 970 part, or is the sure thing in our own minds?</strong><hr></blockquote>
To the best of my knowledge, Apple has said absolutely nothing. By referring to the 970 as "the sure thing", I simply meant that we know officially that (assuming no major disasters) there will be an advanced PPC chip available for Apple next year.