With Apple discontinuing the 15", I'd imagine that they almost have to introduce a 19" soon (by MWSF I'd guess at the latest)... my guess would be move the 17" to around $599-699, make the 19" somewhere around $999.
It's weird how we have the 1280 res on monitors from 17-20"
Depending on how the things are made a 17" widescreen might actually be cheaper to make than a 17" 5:4. I vote for an all widescreen line-up too.
17, 19, 22, and 23. No 15, but only if the 17" widescreen comes in at nearly the same price. No more than 699. A 19" would have to be widescreen to match the rest of the line-up, but it would also need to have a price in line with other 19" screens, not too much more.
<a href="http://www.formac.com/p_bin/?cid=solutions_displays_gallery2010"; target="_blank">This Formac</a> looks to be the best deal going as far as large displays are concerned, offering more overal pixels, contrast, fewer dead pixels, faster pixel response, and better viewing angle than just about anything on the market. Just a touch smaller than the 22, but only 2/3rds the cost, it looks like a great display for digital artists.
If Apple keeps the 22, what would the resolution of a proposed 19-20 panel be? Assuming that the 15" is dropped and the 17" becomes a 1440x900 unit like the iMac's.
Hopefully Apple stays away from 1280x1024 for their next LCD lineup. That res is so fugly, I don't understand it. Why not use 1280x960, which maintains the proper ratio so that images aren't distorted? Odd.
I used to think that too, but apparently the 1280x1024 screens are even squarer at 5:4, the antithesis of Widescreen, haha. The pixels are square and the image isn't distorted in any way, but you do end up with a squarer desktop.
For us that work with things that end up on paper reducing hight to get a wide screen is a bad idea. In Europe that use the A4 that is taller than the sqat US letter size the problem is even worse.
However, with adaptors that turns that crappy ADC connnector into a more useful DVI there is plenty of good monitors to select from <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
JD, I too despise the 5:4 ratio of the current 17" Studio Display.
OK, here's what I think is coming display wise and it all hinges (pun intended) on new iMacs at MWSF. No inside info, just my speculation.
The 15" iMac will be discontinued and the following lineup introduced.
17" 1440X900 iMac 800/128/Combo $1399
17" 1440X900 iMac 800/256/Superdrive $1699
19" 1600X1024 iMac 800/256/Superdrive $1999
These prices are aggressive folks, but LCD component costs are plummeting and Apple can actually save some money on volume production by using the same glass in its all new, stand alone display line.
17" 1440X900 Studio Display $699
19" 1600x1024 Studio Display $1299
23" 1932x1200 HD Cinema Display $2499
By standardizing on the 17" and 19" displays on both the iMacs and Studio Displays, Apple can buy in much larger volume and pass the savings along. Plus, Steve can do a lot of chest thumping about how Apple is the first company to go all widescreen, etc. He's got to do something to prop up sales until the 970 arrives, and this seems as good a plan as any.
<strong>For us that work with things that end up on paper reducing hight to get a wide screen is a bad idea. In Europe that use the A4 that is taller than the sqat US letter size the problem is even worse.
However, with adaptors that turns that crappy ADC connnector into a more useful DVI there is plenty of good monitors to select from <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree.
However an iMac with a 17" widescreen that could rotate 90 degrees would be sweet. :cool:
Surely though, as display sizes increase, a wider aspect ratio is preferable. The smaller a display, then (at least for print work) a tall display is better, but once a display is so big that a vertical page fits it's height, you don't gain much by getting taller. A ratio between 3:2 and 16:9 is much closer to a person's visual field, and should make more comfortable viewing when vertical height is no longer an issue. In most displays bigger than 19" vertical height is not really an issue as the display is tall enough.
Remember, owing party to the grossly inflated price of Apple's 15" display, a proposed 17" widescreen would be something of a 15" replacement at the bottom of the line-up. A little more expensive than the 15 currently, but also cheaper than the current 17.
Do people just not like to work with theatrical widescreen's(16/9, not 47/20)? I would think they could be cheaper, sharing costs and volume with consumer electronics.
<strong>Hopefully Apple stays away from 1280x1024 for their next LCD lineup. That res is so fugly, I don't understand it. Why not use 1280x960, which maintains the proper ratio so that images aren't distorted? Odd.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The images aren't distorted.
The screen dimensions of the 17" LCD match the resolution. If you don't know that, you're not right in the head. None of the LCDs display distorted images unless you tell them to.
And 1280x1024 is better to me for one reason. It provides room for a horizontally mounted Dock on the bottom of my screen where it exists by *default*
In fact, I'm using 1280x1024 on my physically 4:3 CRT with big black bars to the left and right of the image because those added 64 vertical pixels are that important to me.
One thing that would be nice with the 17" flat screen is if Apple took a page out of Raduis' book and made it so that you could rotate the screen. That way you would have a screen that easily showed the whole page.
<strong>One thing that would be nice with the 17" flat screen is if Apple took a page out of Raduis' book and made it so that you could rotate the screen. That way you would have a screen that easily showed the whole page.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Or even the SGI 1600SW - that was one mother of a screen.
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17 gets dropped to 600-800
23 gets dropped to 3200ish unless of course it is already selling well enough
IMHO the 17 should go wide also so it is the height of the old 15 and gets dropped in price even further to around 500
so there is an all widescreen layout 17, 19, 23
It's weird how we have the 1280 res on monitors from 17-20"
Depending on how the things are made a 17" widescreen might actually be cheaper to make than a 17" 5:4. I vote for an all widescreen line-up too.
17, 19, 22, and 23. No 15, but only if the 17" widescreen comes in at nearly the same price. No more than 699. A 19" would have to be widescreen to match the rest of the line-up, but it would also need to have a price in line with other 19" screens, not too much more.
<a href="http://www.formac.com/p_bin/?cid=solutions_displays_gallery2010"; target="_blank">This Formac</a> looks to be the best deal going as far as large displays are concerned, offering more overal pixels, contrast, fewer dead pixels, faster pixel response, and better viewing angle than just about anything on the market. Just a touch smaller than the 22, but only 2/3rds the cost, it looks like a great display for digital artists.
If Apple keeps the 22, what would the resolution of a proposed 19-20 panel be? Assuming that the 15" is dropped and the 17" becomes a 1440x900 unit like the iMac's.
However, with adaptors that turns that crappy ADC connnector into a more useful DVI there is plenty of good monitors to select from <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
OK, here's what I think is coming display wise and it all hinges (pun intended) on new iMacs at MWSF. No inside info, just my speculation.
The 15" iMac will be discontinued and the following lineup introduced.
17" 1440X900 iMac 800/128/Combo $1399
17" 1440X900 iMac 800/256/Superdrive $1699
19" 1600X1024 iMac 800/256/Superdrive $1999
These prices are aggressive folks, but LCD component costs are plummeting and Apple can actually save some money on volume production by using the same glass in its all new, stand alone display line.
17" 1440X900 Studio Display $699
19" 1600x1024 Studio Display $1299
23" 1932x1200 HD Cinema Display $2499
By standardizing on the 17" and 19" displays on both the iMacs and Studio Displays, Apple can buy in much larger volume and pass the savings along. Plus, Steve can do a lot of chest thumping about how Apple is the first company to go all widescreen, etc. He's got to do something to prop up sales until the 970 arrives, and this seems as good a plan as any.
<strong>For us that work with things that end up on paper reducing hight to get a wide screen is a bad idea. In Europe that use the A4 that is taller than the sqat US letter size the problem is even worse.
However, with adaptors that turns that crappy ADC connnector into a more useful DVI there is plenty of good monitors to select from <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree.
However an iMac with a 17" widescreen that could rotate 90 degrees would be sweet. :cool:
[ 11-05-2002: Message edited by: MrBillData ]</p>
Remember, owing party to the grossly inflated price of Apple's 15" display, a proposed 17" widescreen would be something of a 15" replacement at the bottom of the line-up. A little more expensive than the 15 currently, but also cheaper than the current 17.
[ 11-05-2002: Message edited by: Matsu ]</p>
<strong>Hopefully Apple stays away from 1280x1024 for their next LCD lineup. That res is so fugly, I don't understand it. Why not use 1280x960, which maintains the proper ratio so that images aren't distorted? Odd.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The images aren't distorted.
The screen dimensions of the 17" LCD match the resolution. If you don't know that, you're not right in the head. None of the LCDs display distorted images unless you tell them to.
And 1280x1024 is better to me for one reason. It provides room for a horizontally mounted Dock on the bottom of my screen where it exists by *default*
In fact, I'm using 1280x1024 on my physically 4:3 CRT with big black bars to the left and right of the image because those added 64 vertical pixels are that important to me.
[ 11-05-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
<strong>One thing that would be nice with the 17" flat screen is if Apple took a page out of Raduis' book and made it so that you could rotate the screen. That way you would have a screen that easily showed the whole page.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Or even the SGI 1600SW - that was one mother of a screen.