TS drops the boom. Dual 2.6 tomorrow

hmurchison · June 7, 2004 4:44PM

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/g5refresh.html

The source said that the company's plans call for an announcement of the long-awaited G5 refresh tomorrow, on Tuesday, June 8, but stressed that announcement dates for speed bumps can be subject to change.

TS is never wrong the day before. Bring it on Apple!

evo · June 7, 2004 4:59PM

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Originally posted by hmurchison

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/g5refresh.html

The source said that the company's plans call for an announcement of the long-awaited G5 refresh tomorrow, on Tuesday, June 8, but stressed that announcement dates for speed bumps can be subject to change.

TS is never wrong the day before. Bring it on Apple!

So I guess no 3GHz this summer?

kickaha · June 7, 2004 5:01PM

Summer ends Sep 20.

Technically, it starts June 21, so it's not even summer yet.

hmurchison · June 7, 2004 5:02PM

Yes I think that if these new macs don't have PCIe that we'll see it hit in Aug or early sept with the 3Ghz model.

I'll take 2.6Ghz tomorrow no problem with iMacs coming the following tuesday.

rageous · June 7, 2004 5:03PM

There can still be room for a dual 3s if they add a 4th configuration to the mix, or just drop the low end once the 3s are ready to sell.

rolandg · June 7, 2004 5:08PM

If true, what will be announced at WWDC?

leonis · June 7, 2004 5:11PM

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Originally posted by RolandG

If true, what will be announced at WWDC?

Flower Power iMac Resurrection

g-news · June 7, 2004 5:18PM

if powermacs come tomorrow at only 2.6GHz, then WWDC will being the iPod 4G and a brand new iMac G5 with up to 1.8GHz.

brussell · June 7, 2004 5:25PM

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Originally posted by Kickaha

Summer ends Sep 20.

Technically, it starts June 21, so it's not even summer yet.

Don't encourage them.

onlooker · June 7, 2004 5:31PM

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The source also pointed to increased talk in Cupertino about quad G5 models, but emphasized that the news was unconfirmed.

I have no comments other than I hope I don't get too pi$$ed off tomorrow.

This better not be true.

marcuk · June 7, 2004 5:34PM

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Originally posted by onlooker

I have no comments other than I hope I don't get too pi$$ed off tomorrow. This better not be true.

Might explain the size of that 'mother' heatsink?

Single 2.6

Dual 2.6

Quad 2.6

brussell · June 7, 2004 5:40PM

Question: Would apps written for duals also take advantage of quads?

I dunno, I've never been a very big fan of duals, and I think people tend to overestimate their advantages. Same goes, but even more so, for quads.

t'hain esh kelch · June 7, 2004 5:45PM

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Originally posted by BRussell

Question: Would apps written for duals also take advantage of quads?

I dunno, I've never been a very big fan of duals, and I think people tend to overestimate their advantages. Same goes, but even more so, for quads.

Apps are not written for duals. They are written for multiple CPU's.

And the short answer: Yes.

hmurchison · June 7, 2004 5:47PM

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Originally posted by BRussell

Question: Would apps written for duals also take advantage of quads?

I dunno, I've never been a very big fan of duals, and I think people tend to overestimate their advantages. Same goes, but even more so, for quads.

Duals make a big difference for apps that support them correctly like Final Cut Pro.

http://www.barefeats.com/fcp4.html

Apple should get just sick and develop a Quad CPU Powermac with SMT.

brussell · June 7, 2004 5:58PM

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Originally posted by hmurchison

Duals make a big difference for apps that support them correctly like Final Cut Pro.

Right, exactly. They're great for those who know specifically that their apps can use them. They're not that useful for me because 1) I don't often use apps that use or need them and 2) I don't often do multiple processor-intensive things at once. If I can save some money with a single processor machine, it's a much better deal for me. And I bet I'm not unlike most Mac users.

At some point there must be diminishing returns though, right? Would quads really be a good idea, even if they could do it?

marcuk · June 7, 2004 6:04PM

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Originally posted by BRussell

Right, exactly. They're great for those who know specifically that their apps can use them. They're not that useful for me because 1) I don't often use apps that use or need them and 2) I don't often do multiple processor-intensive things at once. If I can save some money with a single processor machine, it's a much better deal for me. And I bet I'm not unlike most Mac users.

At some point there must be diminishing returns though, right? Would quads really be a good idea, even if they could do it?

Again it depends on the app. Im familiar with Cinema 4d, which is a very well written highly threaded 3d renderer. It can easily get 80% extra from a dual CPU, and on Dual Xeons, with hyperthreading simulating 4CPU's, it can actually get OVER 2x with 2 cpu's. A Quad 970FX system could potentially get 4x the performance in something like Cinema. Check out http://www.imashination.com/bench.html To see how much speedup you get, divide the Dual score by the Single score. You can usually see 1.8x - 2.1x the speedup. In Quad configuration , we might actually break the 1000 barrier, which would send a clear message to Cinema users, and have me in a state of utopia

my rough estimation would put a dual 2.6 970FX at the equivalent of a dual 3.2 Xeon in this Bench, which btw does not use any altivec at all.

pb · June 7, 2004 6:07PM

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Originally posted by BRussell

They're not that useful for me because 1) I don't often use apps that use or need them and 2) I don't often do multiple processor-intensive things at once.

I would not say that so easily, since OS X itself benefits so much from the presence of the second processor, that I am sometimes wondering why all macs are not duals or with dual core processors. I believe this day will come and in the not so distant future.

marcuk · June 7, 2004 6:17PM

Talking about Quad systems, I recently saw the price of a 4CPU opteron board, it was £1500, and about £1200 for each opteron 850(2.4ghz) or £700 for an 842(1.6ghz). Therefore the entry price of the 4CPU PC market is around £6000 (or $8000), if Apple could do this for £3000, or $4500, I think they would have a winner. And a Xeon MP (for 4 way boxes is about £2500 ($4000) at 1.5ghz.

Has anyone checked the newest seeds of OSX to see if it is compiled for more than 2 CPU?

brendon · June 7, 2004 6:35PM

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Originally posted by Kickaha

Summer ends Sep 20.

Technically, it starts June 21, so it's not even summer yet.

What is your source for this "rumor"?

And why haven't the reast of us heard about this. Yes I will go there, you my friend are lying in my opinion, desperate for attention you just make this stuff up. Shame on you.

wizard69 · June 7, 2004 6:36PM

It all depends on how the application is multi-threaded. I would imagine that some applications would benefit right off the bat.

As to duals you have it backwards. The vast majority of the people underestimate the utility of SMP. Sure it doesn't have a huge impact on single thread application runned alone on a Mac. One has to consider how many single threaded applications exist today and how many users run only one application at any one time. Many applications are multi-threaded and few users run just one application, so there is a vast swath of users that could benefit from SMP.

AS far as being a fan of anything it is time to get over it. SMP is the wave of the future. It is the best way for a system to deliver complex services to a variety of users.

Thanks

Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by BRussell

Question: Would apps written for duals also take advantage of quads?

I dunno, I've never been a very big fan of duals, and I think people tend to overestimate their advantages. Same goes, but even more so, for quads.

burnsra · June 7, 2004 6:39PM

If the bump does happen tomorrow...when will they be available? I just purchased a dula1.8 on the 17th of last month...and have 30 days to return. Please let me know so that I can plan accordingly. Thanks in advance.

TS drops the boom. Dual 2.6 tomorrow

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