You guys are forgetting about the clustering concept. Apple will own this market in a very short order. In Education and Government (where apple security is percieved as better than M$) the cluster will dominate over most of the mainframe market.
Apple is going there bigtime. That is why xserve is built into tiger.
Imacs are a form factor. to add speed use several clustered headless computers.
You guys are forgetting about the clustering concept. Apple will own this market in a very short order. In Education and Government (where apple security is percieved as better than M$) the cluster will dominate over most of the mainframe market.
Apple is going there bigtime. That is why xserve is built into tiger.
Imacs are a form factor. to add speed use several clustered headless computers.
"xserve" (or "Xserve G5") is not in any way built into Tiger. The Xserve is a piece of rackmount hardware. I think what you're trying to refer to is the Xgrid software that will be built in to Tiger, right?
You guys are forgetting about the clustering concept. Apple will own this market in a very short order. In Education and Government (where apple security is percieved as better than M$) the cluster will dominate over most of the mainframe market.
Apple is going there bigtime. That is why xserve is built into tiger.
Imacs are a form factor. to add speed use several clustered headless computers.
Clustering possibilities for the iMac v3? No no, too ambitious. But for the 4th version, when Xgrid is mature and you can build a cluster more easily than a Lego, yes, that's a solution.
For the upcoming iMac, I'd bet on :
- 1.4 to 2.0GHz G5
- AIO form factor
- OLED screen
- Cheaper to manufacture enclosure (no more ultra-expensive arm for the screen or stuff like that!)
- Cheaper to manufacture enclosure (no more ultra-expensive arm for the screen or stuff like that!)
- Core Image/Video oriented video cards [/B]
I doubt you'll see an OLED screen in a computer screen soon. Last time I knew, they were still in the developmental stage, and having problems with longevity.
Someone correct me if I'm mistaken.
I think you're speculation is pretty reasonable otherwise.
I doubt you'll see an OLED screen in a computer screen soon. Last time I knew, they were still in the developmental stage, and having problems with longevity.
Someone correct me if I'm mistaken.
I think you're speculation is pretty reasonable otherwise.
Yes, maybe OLED is a little prematurate indeed... just that I heard that Apple had been spending loads and loads of cash in this technology over the last 2-3 years, so I thought "why not?"... that can be the reason why they have postponed the release, too (pure speculation, here, you must have guessed!!)
I hope Imac doesnt have oled, new technology new problems and they were having problems with blue fading plus there isnt 1 company mass producing this stuff in large sizes. it will show up in small devices first is my guess,phones,pods,pda's etc.
I hope Imac doesnt have oled, new technology new problems and they were having problems with blue fading plus there isnt 1 company mass producing this stuff in large sizes. it will show up in small devices first is my guess,phones,pods,pda's etc.
"new technology new problems"? I hope that people at Apple do not reason like that while designing new products!
Back to the OLED thing, I was not aware of the state of art in this field of research, and considering what you just said, it seems pretty obvious that OLED screens won't be introduced with the new iMacs.
[i]What's the point of having a 64-bit consumer desktop when you don't have a true 64-bit OS? Look for a G5 iMac a couple months after Tiger hits the shelves. [/B]
And what is the point in having a cool and dandy 64 bit OS but no 64 bit savvy machines to run it on?
I doubt you'll see an OLED screen in a computer screen soon. Last time I knew, they were still in the developmental stage, and having problems with longevity.
Someone correct me if I'm mistaken.
I think you're speculation is pretty reasonable otherwise.
OLED technology is indeed a cool new way to build a display! There are already some available -- in Samsung cell phones (small color front display), in Panasonic and Pioneer car stereos and in Philishave devices -- but no larger and mature high-resolution color displays yet. I'd rather bet my money on a color OLED display in future generations of the iPod. Since OLEDs consume much less power than regular TFTs and are even much thinner than they are, it will be perfect for mobile devices!
The way they have now made such a big deal about this "all-new iMac line" leads me to believe that it really will be "all-new". (I interpret this as replacing the G4 with the G5.)
I doubt it will be headless ... I'm kinda leaning toward "choose the screen you want" (including a new 17") that will use the VESA mount. I don't think you'll be able to get an iMac from Apple authorized sellers without a screen though.
Consumers DO want the G5 ... I have no need to run a DP PowerMac, but I DO edit home video of the kids ... and I think more and more "consumer" machines will be bought with such things in mind. A decent SP G5 iMac should allow me to do that even while streaming iTunes to my stereo
(And why NOT have the PMacs as duals, the iMacs as singles and let them both use chips at similiar speeds ? ... They'll still have the eMac and iBooks to cover Apple's version of the low-end market.)
The iMac could return to it's roots as an extremely affordable, practical Mac for general home and office use, or it could be another try at being revolutionary and attention grabbing. Either approach would certainly qualify as an "all-new iMac line." The first possibility would likely be a G4 while the latter would certainly be a G5. Now, which of these approaches to an iMac would Steve choose? Is there much doubt?
Personally, I would like a practical, low cost Mac, but I also think Apple needs something spectacular right now too. Two clues say a G5 iMac. The delay fits in with the trouble IBM was having with 970fx yields, and the Power Macs are all duals, no single G5 model. Also, Apple surely wants developers working on 64-bit applications, even for consumers. What better way to get this to happen than to start flooding the market with G5 consumer Macs?
Except they also happen to handle sunlight very poorly. Anybody with a Samsung phone should be able to tell you that one
Living in Japan, I have a Sanyo phone which uses an OLED display. It's not any worse than traditional LCDs in broad daylight. I think your Samsung is just a poorly made product. It has nothing to do with the nature of OLEDs.
The iMac could return to it's roots as an extremely affordable, practical Mac for general home and office use, or it could be another try at being revolutionary and attention grabbing. Either approach would certainly qualify as an "all-new iMac line." The first possibility would likely be a G4 while the latter would certainly be a G5. Now, which of these approaches to an iMac would Steve choose? Is there much doubt?
Personally, I would like a practical, low cost Mac, but I also think Apple needs something spectacular right now too. Two clues say a G5 iMac. The delay fits in with the trouble IBM was having with 970fx yields, and the Power Macs are all duals, no single G5 model. Also, Apple surely wants developers working on 64-bit applications, even for consumers. What better way to get this to happen than to start flooding the market with G5 consumer Macs?
I definitely vote for spectacular!
The practical Mac thing is left to the eMac. And I'm pretty sure this one will receive a serious overhaul by the end of the year (while I don't see the iMac moving to a headless design, I don't understand why the eMac is an AIO : withdraw the display and sell it under $650!).
Come on!!! That's the Powermac G5 Dual 2GHz, minus a CPU and some expandability, and plus a better graphic card, and you want to sell it for $800 less than the Powermac? No way!
And $1999 with a 20" screen? Well, I hope your prediction is accurate! I'd buy a dozen of those puppies!
Living in Japan, I have a Sanyo phone which uses an OLED display. It's not any worse than traditional LCDs in broad daylight. I think your Samsung is just a poorly made product. It has nothing to do with the nature of OLEDs.
You're probably just used to some pretty bad LCDs then and it has everything to do with the nature of OLEDs. The reduction in their visibility in sunlight is due to how they actually operate. As I say the problems with OLEDs are pretty well known and not solved yet and I wouldn't be expecting a display based off them any time this year.
Samsung is the leader in the OLED market and only showed off their first 17" displays in May this year and aren't expecting to kick up manufacturing until the 2nd half of 2005 so products aren't going to arrive for computers this year for certain.
Just for reference though:
Quote:
OLEDs can offer advantages in terms of display performance, with response times measured in microseconds instead of milliseconds, the widest viewing angle, and high contrast ratios in low ambient light. Appearance suffers, however, in high ambient light because OLEDs have phosphorescent characteristics. They actually emit light in response to photons (i.e., from sunlight) resulting in relatively bright off-segments. That causes the display to look quite washed out in direct sunlight. Other problems associated with OLEDs are limited lifetime, differential aging (the red, green, and blue colors age at different rates), and color shift over time.
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Apple is going there bigtime. That is why xserve is built into tiger.
Imacs are a form factor. to add speed use several clustered headless computers.
Originally posted by iPeon
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I really don't think porn industry slang needs to be brought into our family-oriented forums!
Originally posted by TednDi
You guys are forgetting about the clustering concept. Apple will own this market in a very short order. In Education and Government (where apple security is percieved as better than M$) the cluster will dominate over most of the mainframe market.
Apple is going there bigtime. That is why xserve is built into tiger.
Imacs are a form factor. to add speed use several clustered headless computers.
"xserve" (or "Xserve G5") is not in any way built into Tiger. The Xserve is a piece of rackmount hardware. I think what you're trying to refer to is the Xgrid software that will be built in to Tiger, right?
I really don't think porn industry slang needs to be brought into our family-oriented forums!
I disagree
Originally posted by TednDi
You guys are forgetting about the clustering concept. Apple will own this market in a very short order. In Education and Government (where apple security is percieved as better than M$) the cluster will dominate over most of the mainframe market.
Apple is going there bigtime. That is why xserve is built into tiger.
Imacs are a form factor. to add speed use several clustered headless computers.
Clustering possibilities for the iMac v3? No no, too ambitious. But for the 4th version, when Xgrid is mature and you can build a cluster more easily than a Lego, yes, that's a solution.
For the upcoming iMac, I'd bet on :
- 1.4 to 2.0GHz G5
- AIO form factor
- OLED screen
- Cheaper to manufacture enclosure (no more ultra-expensive arm for the screen or stuff like that!)
- Core Image/Video oriented video cards
For the upcoming iMac, I'd bet on :
- 1.4 to 2.0GHz G5
- AIO form factor
- OLED screen
- Cheaper to manufacture enclosure (no more ultra-expensive arm for the screen or stuff like that!)
- Core Image/Video oriented video cards [/B]
I doubt you'll see an OLED screen in a computer screen soon. Last time I knew, they were still in the developmental stage, and having problems with longevity.
Someone correct me if I'm mistaken.
I think you're speculation is pretty reasonable otherwise.
Originally posted by Borborygmi
I doubt you'll see an OLED screen in a computer screen soon. Last time I knew, they were still in the developmental stage, and having problems with longevity.
Someone correct me if I'm mistaken.
I think you're speculation is pretty reasonable otherwise.
Yes, maybe OLED is a little prematurate indeed... just that I heard that Apple had been spending loads and loads of cash in this technology over the last 2-3 years, so I thought "why not?"... that can be the reason why they have postponed the release, too (pure speculation, here, you must have guessed!!)
Originally posted by Aurora
I hope Imac doesnt have oled, new technology new problems and they were having problems with blue fading plus there isnt 1 company mass producing this stuff in large sizes. it will show up in small devices first is my guess,phones,pods,pda's etc.
"new technology new problems"? I hope that people at Apple do not reason like that while designing new products!
Back to the OLED thing, I was not aware of the state of art in this field of research, and considering what you just said, it seems pretty obvious that OLED screens won't be introduced with the new iMacs.
[i]What's the point of having a 64-bit consumer desktop when you don't have a true 64-bit OS? Look for a G5 iMac a couple months after Tiger hits the shelves. [/B]
And what is the point in having a cool and dandy 64 bit OS but no 64 bit savvy machines to run it on?
Originally posted by Borborygmi
I doubt you'll see an OLED screen in a computer screen soon. Last time I knew, they were still in the developmental stage, and having problems with longevity.
Someone correct me if I'm mistaken.
I think you're speculation is pretty reasonable otherwise.
OLED technology is indeed a cool new way to build a display! There are already some available -- in Samsung cell phones (small color front display), in Panasonic and Pioneer car stereos and in Philishave devices -- but no larger and mature high-resolution color displays yet. I'd rather bet my money on a color OLED display in future generations of the iPod. Since OLEDs consume much less power than regular TFTs and are even much thinner than they are, it will be perfect for mobile devices!
Originally posted by Yankeedoodle
Since OLEDs consume much less power than regular TFTs and are even much thinner than they are, it will be perfect for mobile devices!
Except they also happen to handle sunlight very poorly. Anybody with a Samsung phone should be able to tell you that one
G5
The way they have now made such a big deal about this "all-new iMac line" leads me to believe that it really will be "all-new". (I interpret this as replacing the G4 with the G5.)
I doubt it will be headless ... I'm kinda leaning toward "choose the screen you want" (including a new 17") that will use the VESA mount. I don't think you'll be able to get an iMac from Apple authorized sellers without a screen though.
Consumers DO want the G5 ... I have no need to run a DP PowerMac, but I DO edit home video of the kids ... and I think more and more "consumer" machines will be bought with such things in mind. A decent SP G5 iMac should allow me to do that even while streaming iTunes to my stereo
(And why NOT have the PMacs as duals, the iMacs as singles and let them both use chips at similiar speeds ? ... They'll still have the eMac and iBooks to cover Apple's version of the low-end market.)
1.8 GHz G5
100 GB HD
256 MB DDR400
GeForce 5200 Ultra
17" 1.6 Ghz G5
256 mb ram
80 GB HD
5200 ultra
for $1299
without screen $899-$999
17" 1.8 Ghz G5
512 MB ram
120 GB HD
ati Radeon 9600XT
for $1599
without screen $1299
20" 2.0 or 1.8 Ghz G5
512 MB ram
160 GB HD
ati 9800XT
for $1999
without screen $1699
The iMac could return to it's roots as an extremely affordable, practical Mac for general home and office use, or it could be another try at being revolutionary and attention grabbing. Either approach would certainly qualify as an "all-new iMac line." The first possibility would likely be a G4 while the latter would certainly be a G5. Now, which of these approaches to an iMac would Steve choose? Is there much doubt?
Personally, I would like a practical, low cost Mac, but I also think Apple needs something spectacular right now too. Two clues say a G5 iMac. The delay fits in with the trouble IBM was having with 970fx yields, and the Power Macs are all duals, no single G5 model. Also, Apple surely wants developers working on 64-bit applications, even for consumers. What better way to get this to happen than to start flooding the market with G5 consumer Macs?
Originally posted by Telomar
Except they also happen to handle sunlight very poorly. Anybody with a Samsung phone should be able to tell you that one
Living in Japan, I have a Sanyo phone which uses an OLED display. It's not any worse than traditional LCDs in broad daylight. I think your Samsung is just a poorly made product. It has nothing to do with the nature of OLEDs.
Originally posted by snoopy
iMac v3: Practical or Spectacular?
The iMac could return to it's roots as an extremely affordable, practical Mac for general home and office use, or it could be another try at being revolutionary and attention grabbing. Either approach would certainly qualify as an "all-new iMac line." The first possibility would likely be a G4 while the latter would certainly be a G5. Now, which of these approaches to an iMac would Steve choose? Is there much doubt?
Personally, I would like a practical, low cost Mac, but I also think Apple needs something spectacular right now too. Two clues say a G5 iMac. The delay fits in with the trouble IBM was having with 970fx yields, and the Power Macs are all duals, no single G5 model. Also, Apple surely wants developers working on 64-bit applications, even for consumers. What better way to get this to happen than to start flooding the market with G5 consumer Macs?
I definitely vote for spectacular!
The practical Mac thing is left to the eMac. And I'm pretty sure this one will receive a serious overhaul by the end of the year (while I don't see the iMac moving to a headless design, I don't understand why the eMac is an AIO : withdraw the display and sell it under $650!).
Originally posted by quagmire
20" 2.0 or 1.8 Ghz G5
512 MB ram
160 GB HD
ati 9800XT
for $1999
without screen $1699
Come on!!! That's the Powermac G5 Dual 2GHz, minus a CPU and some expandability, and plus a better graphic card, and you want to sell it for $800 less than the Powermac? No way!
And $1999 with a 20" screen? Well, I hope your prediction is accurate! I'd buy a dozen of those puppies!
Originally posted by BeigeUser
Living in Japan, I have a Sanyo phone which uses an OLED display. It's not any worse than traditional LCDs in broad daylight. I think your Samsung is just a poorly made product. It has nothing to do with the nature of OLEDs.
You're probably just used to some pretty bad LCDs then and it has everything to do with the nature of OLEDs. The reduction in their visibility in sunlight is due to how they actually operate. As I say the problems with OLEDs are pretty well known and not solved yet and I wouldn't be expecting a display based off them any time this year.
Samsung is the leader in the OLED market and only showed off their first 17" displays in May this year and aren't expecting to kick up manufacturing until the 2nd half of 2005 so products aren't going to arrive for computers this year for certain.
Just for reference though:
OLEDs can offer advantages in terms of display performance, with response times measured in microseconds instead of milliseconds, the widest viewing angle, and high contrast ratios in low ambient light. Appearance suffers, however, in high ambient light because OLEDs have phosphorescent characteristics. They actually emit light in response to photons (i.e., from sunlight) resulting in relatively bright off-segments. That causes the display to look quite washed out in direct sunlight. Other problems associated with OLEDs are limited lifetime, differential aging (the red, green, and blue colors age at different rates), and color shift over time.