This thread needs to be moved to Fireside chat. No one seems to even be debating, the possiblly included in a Power Mac IBM 970 that migh be called the G5, anymore. Instead it is just bashing MacLuv. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
** i have a "wife", but she's gone to Thailand/China for 8 weeks with her friend, so I've got a bit of time on my hands
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wow i was close enough i'd say. ok
so what about my other post. why excactly should moving to x86 help apple to stay in business (better than with the 970 which is my favourite)?
greets
edit: hey MacLuv - i hope you know much of my statements are more for fun than for bashing you - just wanted to point this out. also i'd really like to hear your words about how x86 will help given the fact that i don't think that apple will cut prices...
so what about my other post. why excactly should moving to x86 help apple to stay in business (better than with the 970 which is my favourite)?
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... I've read your post and I'm actually preparing a case right now... as people like bashing brains in here i'm trying to make it as "airtight" as I can-- I'll post another thread when it's done. It will address a lot of stuff mentioned in this thread. I've been working on this for a long time, actually, so we'll see what happens.
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edit: hey MacLuv - i hope you know much of my statements are more for fun than for bashing you - just wanted to point this out. also i'd really like to hear your words about how x86 will help given the fact that i don't think that apple will cut prices...
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No, don't worry about it... people love to bash, and I've been around long enough to know an elbow in the side from a kick in the nuts. I love those "Troll Feeding" posts... they remind me of the people who find enjoyment booting people out of chat rooms.
Sure you can. Considering that's not the data I was referring to, it's pretty cloudy. Why don't you just post the stats for the Dallas Cowboys while you're at it? It may prove just as useful.
I'll give you another shot to find the data I was referring to yourself. Then you might learn how to do research on your own. I didn't post the link because I was replying to "consultant boy"--who apparently "charges" people <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> to hit the Google search button and post the first piece of evidence he finds that supports his argument. Even if that evidence is bogus and out of date.
If you stop harassing me and ask nicely, I'll post the link for you. But you might have to beg.
But overall, challenger Sun is the Goliath in the UNIX server segment, and the company padded its already hefty 50.7 percent market share by an additional 3.3 percent, reaching 54 percent. Meanwhile, third-place IBM saw a 4.1 percent loss in that market, from 21.3 percent to 17.2 percent.
UNIX server seller Hewlett-Packard increased its market share from 16.6 percent to 19.8 percent, unseating IBM to take the number two spot. However, analysts said they expect this gain will crumble as a result of Compaq's long-term phaseout of UNIX servers in the wake of the recently approved HP-Compaq merger.
According to Gartner, the UNIX server market accounted for 40 percent of the US$4.3 billion in total server sales in the United States, making it the largest single segment despite a sales decline of 5.3 percent, from $1.8 billion to $1.7 billion. <hr></blockquote>
Hey, how about that. IBM is in third place this year. Considering that Apple is now making a UNIX server, this is the only data that is relevant to us. And it doesn't even cover *ahem* market penetration, which Apple has only attempted in the US. Thus, the worldwide market is of no concern to us right now.
Now Telomar, tell me, what sort of consultant are you? A CutNPaste Consultant? Don't bring a knife to a gunfight, kid.
<strong>When I read this in the Register, I immediately saw why IBM is also interested in using the 970 for their own lower end servers. They obviously see the threat from x86 hardware running Linux, and will pull out all stops to keep the server market. This is really good news for Apple, who will have a supplier that is very motivated to have the best possible chips for this market.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Are we talking servers or PCs?
IBM will kill Xserve. How is Apple supposed to compete in the server market? With no room to grow, Xserve will either drain funds from Apple's consumer products or die a slow lingering death.
Data? Figures? Stats? Business models? market Penetration?
who the hell gives a f*ck?
Christ, if apple is populated with guys that think like this then no wonder we're screwed.
all we want is an insanely powerful killer computer in a killer designed unit that is so fast we have to find ways of slowing it down just to be able to use it.
Think different.
screw the economy. that's just something that people with a skewed education feel they ought to be "experts" in in order to have a valid viewpoint.
Economics is a religion - nothing more
Business is a religion - nothing more.
lets actually talk about the machines we (I assume) love and gate with equal abandon.
I've just set up an athlon XP on a mates machine and it just kills my Dual 450. Not just a bit - by a mile. This is enought to concern me that the end of the road beckons for apple if they can't get their asses into gear. However, it is not enough to convince me that moving to amd or intel would be in apple's interests. Apple always find a way to shoot themselves in the foot - usually price/performance.
if anyone wants to talk business then go read the Financial Times and leave us alone.
"....all we want is an insanely powerful killer computer in a killer designed unit that is so fast we have to find ways of slowing it down just to be able to use it."
Amen to that!!!
They need to be so fast it'll give you a nosebleed just trying to comprehend the insane speed.
Just wishful thinking.
I know it will never happend. Well be stuck with the G4 until 2004 and then Apple will go chapter eleven. Just my prediction <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
i'm wondering if Apple could license it's OS as a Linux alternative to Big Blue.</strong><hr></blockquote>
this a good thought. i saw it already in another thread. the idea was just to license the OS X Server to IBM. this would be a smart move in my opinion.
"....all we want is an insanely powerful killer computer in a killer designed unit that is so fast we have to find ways of slowing it down just to be able to use it."
Amen to that!!!
They need to be so fast it'll give you a nosebleed just trying to comprehend the insane speed.
Just wishful thinking.
I know it will never happend. Well be stuck with the G4 until 2004 and then Apple will go chapter eleven. Just my prediction <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
<strong>"....all we want is an insanely powerful killer computer in a killer designed unit that is so fast we have to find ways of slowing it down just to be able to use it."
Amen to that!!!
They need to be so fast it'll give you a nosebleed just trying to comprehend the insane speed.
Just wishful thinking.
I know it will never happend. Well be stuck with the G4 until 2004 and then Apple will go chapter eleven. Just my prediction <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
i remember some games after the switch from the ATARI ST to ATARI Falcon which were too fast to play ... i found no way to clock the Falcon down so that i could play these ones
Hey, how about that. IBM is in third place this year. Considering that Apple is now making a UNIX server, this is the only data that is relevant to us. And it doesn't even cover *ahem* market penetration, which Apple has only attempted in the US. Thus, the worldwide market is of no concern to us right now.
Now Telomar, tell me, what sort of consultant are you? A CutNPaste Consultant? Don't bring a knife to a gunfight, kid.
The Newsfactor Network is your authoritative source? An article that was posted from the <a href="http://www.ecommercetimes.com/"; target="_blank">E-Commerce Times</a>, the same E-Commerce Times that is part of The Newsfactor Network? Are you serious? Don't you know that The Newsfactor Network is an opinion site, not a news site? Sure the op-ed piece quoted a Gartner Group study. Just in case you did not know, the Gartner Group earns its bread by telling its clients what those clients want the buying public to believe. These should in no way be confused with scientific studies.
The bottomline is that you are are trying to pass opinion from an opinion site as an authority. Without question, you share the opinion expressed in the piece, but that does not make it fact.
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- a new girlfriend
** i have a "wife", but she's gone to Thailand/China for 8 weeks with her friend, so I've got a bit of time on my hands
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wow i was close enough i'd say. ok
so what about my other post. why excactly should moving to x86 help apple to stay in business (better than with the 970 which is my favourite)?
greets
edit: hey MacLuv - i hope you know much of my statements are more for fun than for bashing you - just wanted to point this out. also i'd really like to hear your words about how x86 will help given the fact that i don't think that apple will cut prices...
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so what about my other post. why excactly should moving to x86 help apple to stay in business (better than with the 970 which is my favourite)?
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edit: hey MacLuv - i hope you know much of my statements are more for fun than for bashing you - just wanted to point this out. also i'd really like to hear your words about how x86 will help given the fact that i don't think that apple will cut prices...
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No, don't worry about it... people love to bash, and I've been around long enough to know an elbow in the side from a kick in the nuts. I love those "Troll Feeding" posts... they remind me of the people who find enjoyment booting people out of chat rooms.
Like, way to be original, dudes.
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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Couldn't get any clearer than that.
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Sure you can. Considering that's not the data I was referring to, it's pretty cloudy. Why don't you just post the stats for the Dallas Cowboys while you're at it? It may prove just as useful.
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
I'll give you another shot to find the data I was referring to yourself. Then you might learn how to do research on your own. I didn't post the link because I was replying to "consultant boy"--who apparently "charges" people <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> to hit the Google search button and post the first piece of evidence he finds that supports his argument. Even if that evidence is bogus and out of date.
If you stop harassing me and ask nicely, I'll post the link for you. But you might have to beg.
[inner dialouge]
What's with these ****in' people?
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Oh yeah. I hate to break it to you, but we're at the end of 2002.
You want to look for market penetration specs for servers sold by unit. Estimates. Not total market evaluation. Dig?
Once you have that data, determine what Apple's market penetration is and estimate growth potential.
You know you've got it right when it makes you laugh.
Now go away and do your homework.
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This is for Telomar
<a href="http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/17758.html"; target="_blank">*** EL LINKO ***</a>
[quote] The UNIX Market
But overall, challenger Sun is the Goliath in the UNIX server segment, and the company padded its already hefty 50.7 percent market share by an additional 3.3 percent, reaching 54 percent. Meanwhile, third-place IBM saw a 4.1 percent loss in that market, from 21.3 percent to 17.2 percent.
UNIX server seller Hewlett-Packard increased its market share from 16.6 percent to 19.8 percent, unseating IBM to take the number two spot. However, analysts said they expect this gain will crumble as a result of Compaq's long-term phaseout of UNIX servers in the wake of the recently approved HP-Compaq merger.
According to Gartner, the UNIX server market accounted for 40 percent of the US$4.3 billion in total server sales in the United States, making it the largest single segment despite a sales decline of 5.3 percent, from $1.8 billion to $1.7 billion. <hr></blockquote>
Hey, how about that. IBM is in third place this year. Considering that Apple is now making a UNIX server, this is the only data that is relevant to us. And it doesn't even cover *ahem* market penetration, which Apple has only attempted in the US. Thus, the worldwide market is of no concern to us right now.
Now Telomar, tell me, what sort of consultant are you? A CutNPaste Consultant? Don't bring a knife to a gunfight, kid.
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
PS... stay cool.
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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<strong>When I read this in the Register, I immediately saw why IBM is also interested in using the 970 for their own lower end servers. They obviously see the threat from x86 hardware running Linux, and will pull out all stops to keep the server market. This is really good news for Apple, who will have a supplier that is very motivated to have the best possible chips for this market.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Are we talking servers or PCs?
IBM will kill Xserve. How is Apple supposed to compete in the server market? With no room to grow, Xserve will either drain funds from Apple's consumer products or die a slow lingering death.
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
i'm wondering if Apple could license it's OS as a Linux alternative to Big Blue.
who the hell gives a f*ck?
Christ, if apple is populated with guys that think like this then no wonder we're screwed.
all we want is an insanely powerful killer computer in a killer designed unit that is so fast we have to find ways of slowing it down just to be able to use it.
Think different.
screw the economy. that's just something that people with a skewed education feel they ought to be "experts" in in order to have a valid viewpoint.
Economics is a religion - nothing more
Business is a religion - nothing more.
lets actually talk about the machines we (I assume) love and gate with equal abandon.
I've just set up an athlon XP on a mates machine and it just kills my Dual 450. Not just a bit - by a mile. This is enought to concern me that the end of the road beckons for apple if they can't get their asses into gear. However, it is not enough to convince me that moving to amd or intel would be in apple's interests. Apple always find a way to shoot themselves in the foot - usually price/performance.
if anyone wants to talk business then go read the Financial Times and leave us alone.
Lets talk powermac - a real future.
lets not settle for less
lets think different
SPOOKY!
*Applause*
Great performance, man, I really dug it. Where's the wrap party?
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<strong>I've just set up an athlon XP on a mates machine and it just kills my Dual 450. Not just a bit - by a mile.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's funny, my dual 1 GHz kills a Dual 450 by a mile too.
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Amen to that!!!
They need to be so fast it'll give you a nosebleed just trying to comprehend the insane speed.
Just wishful thinking.
I know it will never happend. Well be stuck with the G4 until 2004 and then Apple will go chapter eleven. Just my prediction <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
<strong>With no room to grow, Xserve will either drain funds from Apple's consumer products or die a slow lingering death.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And why doesn't it have room to grow?
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<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
i'm wondering if Apple could license it's OS as a Linux alternative to Big Blue.</strong><hr></blockquote>
this a good thought. i saw it already in another thread. the idea was just to license the OS X Server to IBM. this would be a smart move in my opinion.
Amen to that!!!
They need to be so fast it'll give you a nosebleed just trying to comprehend the insane speed.
Just wishful thinking.
I know it will never happend. Well be stuck with the G4 until 2004 and then Apple will go chapter eleven. Just my prediction <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
<strong>"....all we want is an insanely powerful killer computer in a killer designed unit that is so fast we have to find ways of slowing it down just to be able to use it."
Amen to that!!!
They need to be so fast it'll give you a nosebleed just trying to comprehend the insane speed.
Just wishful thinking.
I know it will never happend. Well be stuck with the G4 until 2004 and then Apple will go chapter eleven. Just my prediction <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
i remember some games after the switch from the ATARI ST to ATARI Falcon which were too fast to play ... i found no way to clock the Falcon down so that i could play these ones
[QB]This is what happens when I'm bored.
This is for Telomar
<a href="http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/17758.html"; target="_blank">*** EL LINKO ***</a>
Hey, how about that. IBM is in third place this year. Considering that Apple is now making a UNIX server, this is the only data that is relevant to us. And it doesn't even cover *ahem* market penetration, which Apple has only attempted in the US. Thus, the worldwide market is of no concern to us right now.
Now Telomar, tell me, what sort of consultant are you? A CutNPaste Consultant? Don't bring a knife to a gunfight, kid.
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
PS... stay cool.
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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The Newsfactor Network is your authoritative source? An article that was posted from the <a href="http://www.ecommercetimes.com/"; target="_blank">E-Commerce Times</a>, the same E-Commerce Times that is part of The Newsfactor Network? Are you serious? Don't you know that The Newsfactor Network is an opinion site, not a news site? Sure the op-ed piece quoted a Gartner Group study. Just in case you did not know, the Gartner Group earns its bread by telling its clients what those clients want the buying public to believe. These should in no way be confused with scientific studies.
The bottomline is that you are are trying to pass opinion from an opinion site as an authority. Without question, you share the opinion expressed in the piece, but that does not make it fact.
<strong>Still beatin' a dead horse are we.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey, it twitched!
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Hey, it twitched!</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />