iPhone - Looks like the rumors were true...
Here's the full text iPhone trademark:
<a href="http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/T_srch.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/T_srch.htm</a>
(Direct link isn't really possible due to the way that website works)
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iPhone (From Aust. TM DB)
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Word: IPHONE
Image:
Lodgement Date: 17-OCT-2002
Convention Details: 19-APR-2002
2002 3555
SWITZERLAND
Acceptance Due: 25-JAN-2004
First Report: 25-OCT-2002
Class/es: 9, 38, 42
Status: Under Examination - Extension Fees Not Required
Kind: n/a
Type: Word
Examiner: Halina STAWSKI
Owner/s: Apple Computer, Inc
1 Infinite Loop MS 3TM, Cupertino,
California 95014
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Address for Service: CLAYTON UTZ
PO Box H3
AUSTRALIA SQUARE
1215,NSW
Goods & Services
Class: 9 Computer hardware and software
Class: 38 Communication by computer; communication between computers; rental and rental of communication apparatus and electronic post fans for personal use; electronic news services; electronic sending of data and stands on Internet or other data bank; supply of data and news by electronic sending; obtaining of access for electronic news services relating to here by shop of information and data on the Internet
Class: 42 Computer services; development and sale of media for use in computer networks, cable in bulk networks and worldwide communication networks; web site hosting; woven -site- hosting; software leasing; advisory services relating to computers, software electronics, telecommunication, security and -authentisierung-; enable of information, computer networks, cable in bulk networks and worldwide communication networks; advisory services and computer technical support services, computer networks, software and computer operated stands management and -workgroup-assembly on computer networks and worldwide communication networks; enable of software updating by computer networks and worldwide - komunikationsnetzwerke-; enable of on line magazine in area of computers and computer software
History
Opposition
Indexing Details - Word Constituents
I IPHONE
LTR
Indexing Details - Image Constituents
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Dave
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: DaveGee ]</p>
<a href="http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/T_srch.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/T_srch.htm</a>
(Direct link isn't really possible due to the way that website works)
[quote]
iPhone (From Aust. TM DB)
======================
Word: IPHONE
Image:
Lodgement Date: 17-OCT-2002
Convention Details: 19-APR-2002
2002 3555
SWITZERLAND
Acceptance Due: 25-JAN-2004
First Report: 25-OCT-2002
Class/es: 9, 38, 42
Status: Under Examination - Extension Fees Not Required
Kind: n/a
Type: Word
Examiner: Halina STAWSKI
Owner/s: Apple Computer, Inc
1 Infinite Loop MS 3TM, Cupertino,
California 95014
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Address for Service: CLAYTON UTZ
PO Box H3
AUSTRALIA SQUARE
1215,NSW
Goods & Services
Class: 9 Computer hardware and software
Class: 38 Communication by computer; communication between computers; rental and rental of communication apparatus and electronic post fans for personal use; electronic news services; electronic sending of data and stands on Internet or other data bank; supply of data and news by electronic sending; obtaining of access for electronic news services relating to here by shop of information and data on the Internet
Class: 42 Computer services; development and sale of media for use in computer networks, cable in bulk networks and worldwide communication networks; web site hosting; woven -site- hosting; software leasing; advisory services relating to computers, software electronics, telecommunication, security and -authentisierung-; enable of information, computer networks, cable in bulk networks and worldwide communication networks; advisory services and computer technical support services, computer networks, software and computer operated stands management and -workgroup-assembly on computer networks and worldwide communication networks; enable of software updating by computer networks and worldwide - komunikationsnetzwerke-; enable of on line magazine in area of computers and computer software
History
Opposition
Indexing Details - Word Constituents
I IPHONE
LTR
Indexing Details - Image Constituents
======================
<hr></blockquote>
Dave
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: DaveGee ]</p>
Comments
Yep. That very same Australian TM database! :eek:
Here is the text from the iPod so we can compare/contrast:
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iPod (From Aust. TM DB)
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Word: IPOD
Image:
Lodgement Date: 02-OCT-2001
Convention Details: 31-AUG-2001
08612/2001
SWITZERLAND
Registered From: 02-OCT-2001
Acceptance Advertised: 11-APR-2002
Registration Advertised: 01-AUG-2002
Sealing Date: 22-JUL-2002
Renewal Due: 02-OCT-2011
Class/es: 9, 28, 38, 42
Status: Registered/Protected
Kind: n/a
Type: Word
Owner/s: Apple Computer, Inc
1 Infinite Loop,
MS : 3TM, Cupertino,
California 95014
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Address for Service: CLAYTON UTZ
PO Box H3
AUSTRALIA SQUARE
1215,NSW
Goods & Services
Class: 9 Computers, computer hardware, computer peripherals, hand held computers, personal digital assistants, electronic organisers, electronic notepads, apparatus for recording, transmission and reproduction of sounds, images, or other data; magnetic data carriers; mobile digital electronic devices, telephones, computer gaming machines, microprocessors, memories boards, monitors, displays, keyboards, cables, modems, printers, videophones, disk drives, cameras; computer software, prerecorded computer programs for personal information management, database management software, character recognition software, telephony management software, electronic mail and messaging software, paging software, database synchronization software, computer programs for accessing, browsing and searching online databases, computer software and firmware, namely operating system programs, data synchronization programs, and application development tool programs for personal and handheld computers; electronic handheld devices for the wireless receipt and/or transmission of data, particularly messages, and devices that enable the user to keep track of or manage personal information; software for the redirection of messages, Internet e-mail, and/or other data to one or more electronic handheld devices from a data store on or associated with a personal computer or a server; and software for the synchronization of data between a remote station or device and a fixed or remote station or device; computer hardware and peripherals
Class: 28 Games and playthings, namely, electronic games, hand-held electronic games and apparatus
Class: 38 Communication and telecommunication services, providing telecommunications access to web sites on the Internet; delivery of digital music by telecommunications, providing wireless telecommunications via electronic communications networks, wireless digital messaging, paging services, and electronic mail services, including services that enable a user to send and/or receive messages through a wireless data network; one-way and two-way paging services
Class: 42 Provision of access to websites containing digital content and information on a wide range of topics, including provision of online access
History
Opposition
Indexing Details - Word Constituents
IPOD
Indexing Details - Image Constituents
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Dave
Maybe not soon enough!?
"I want one" -- Everyone, the hour after seeing the iPod..
Word: IPHONE
Image:</strong><hr></blockquote>
Could you please post the image if there is one.
[quote]<strong>
Lodgement Date: 17-OCT-2002
Convention Details: 19-APR-2002
2002 3555
SWITZERLAND
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Switzerland? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
<strong>"Just what we need, another freaking MP3 player" -- Everyone, a week before seeing the iPod.
"I want one" -- Everyone, the hour after seeing the iPod..</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, but at least the iPod is somewhat cool.
Have you seen the iPhone prototype? It's Southpark Gay.
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Maybe not soon enough!?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think you can go by the 2004 date you quoted ... Just look at the iPod:
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Acceptance Advertised: 11-APR-2002
Registration Advertised: 01-AUG-2002
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And it was released in Fall of 2001
Dave
<strong>
Yes, but at least the iPod is somewhat cool.
Have you seen the iPhone prototype? It's Southpark Gay.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Mr. Luv, may I just point out that you haven't seen the iPhone prototype?
Thank you.
With Cell phones, I am not sure just how much even Apple could do to make it "alot" better.
<strong>
I don't think you can go by the 2004 date you quoted ... Just look at the iPod:
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Acceptance Advertised: 11-APR-2002
Registration Advertised: 01-AUG-2002
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And it was released in Fall of 2001
Dave</strong><hr></blockquote>
True but look at the "Lodgement" and "Registered" dates for the iPod. Early October 2001. Three weeks later the iPod was revealed.
So if lightning has struck twice for the Australian patent office, then I'd day MWSF.
Screed
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: sCreeD ]</p>
<strong>Well, at the time, there was room to make a much better MP3 player.
With Cell phones, I am not sure just how much even Apple could do to make it "alot" better.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's STILL what everyone said when they heard Apple released an MP3 player.
Apple's breakeven for the iPod was (if I recall correctly, someone else can remind me) only 5% of market share of that tiny market. It only worked with a Mac fergodssake.
IF they enter this market (and I'm not 100% convinced they will, ® or not) they will enter with expectations very low. An expensive killer product with unique functions related to the Digital Hub.
Anyway the killer features are .mac (iCal / Address Book) integration and lowest-cost instant messaging via Address book / iChat / email / SMS. That's why the ® application stresses computer-computer communication over telecommunications (which is mentioned). I ping you a message via Address Book. It shows up on your iPhone no matter where you are, but if you're within Bluetooth range of your Mac it costs me not a penny. If not it costs me an SMS. If someone changes a date on a calendar I'm subscribed to it shows up immediately. My alarms follow me around. More stuff like this. Bung in Rendezvous and stupidly easy MMS / other uses of imaging using iPhoto integration and I can imagine a very sexy product that you will want to buy quite a lot.
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: Harald ]</p>
But what if this iPhone was not really a phone as we know it, but more of a messaging device. Something like a HipTop?
<strong>
Mr. Luv, may I just point out that you haven't seen the iPhone prototype?
Thank you.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Really? What the hell is this?
Looks pretty Southpark Gay to me.
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: MacLuv ]</p>
<strong>the stumbling block to me is the amount of different phone formats/networks out there. Apple can't hope to support them all.
But what if this iPhone was not really a phone as we know it, but more of a messaging device. Something like a HipTop?</strong><hr></blockquote>
There's only two things they have to support:
CDMA (used in USA and Korea)
GSM (used everywhere else from Madagascar to Manchester)
Variants of these are fairly trivial software only despite what your network claims (on this I am serious); and in exactly the same way that the iPod uses 100% non-Apple technology inside I can easily imagine a similar badge-engineered device that's 100% Apple but with a comparitively LOW R'n'D costs (hence higher margin, lower breakeven) and quick speed to market. Reasonably un-risky.
I'm talking myself round to the idea.
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: Harald ]</p>
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Really? What the hell is this? ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
That is a REALLY shît mockup using a bit of Palm, a lot of Photoshop and no design sense whatsoever, taken from a rumour site with less credibility then Henry Kissinger.
<strong>
There's only two things they have to support:
CDMA (used in USA and Korea)
GSM (used everywhere else from Madagascar to Manchester)
Variants of these are fairly trivial software only despite what your network claims (on this I am serious); and in exactly the same way that the iPod uses 100% non-Apple technology inside I can easily imagine a similar badge-engineered device that's 100% Apple but with a comparitively LOW R'n'D costs (hence higher margin, lower breakeven) and quick speed to market. Reasonably un-risky.
I'm talking myself round to the idea.
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: Harald ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
so...
Could Apple make one product and supply 2 versions, one for CDMA and one for GSM? What about dual-band/tri-band (you'll seeing that my knowledge is a little weak in this area)?
We know that Apple have used one out of two of the agreed pieces of software with Pixo (for the iPod). Perhaps this is number 2?