I honestly don't care if the 9700 comes to Mac by next Jan'.
To get the best out of this card I think we could do with a processor revision. More like the 970.
By the time an R300 ships then the R350 (R400?) will be just around the corner and by the time this ships for the Mac the 970 will probably imminent. So. Best advice? Wait. If ever there WAS a time to wait for a Mac purchase? The next 9 months is it.
No, I don't see Apple putting a Geforce FX or Radeon 9700 as standard even in the top of the line. But as an option.
Kick off the slippers...enjoy a Christmas brandy...safe in the knowledge that Apple hardware updates are going to be underwhelming for about half a year until Macworld New York next year.
The Powerbook is about the best piece of hardware Apple has right now. And it won't get much better than this until a die shrink 970 hits town or G4 on Rio. About a year away from anything sig'.
iMac. Painfully due for a revision. About a year away from anything significant. Over priced on anything but the top model? And the cpu in that is shameful for the price.
eMac. Forgettable. So, I'll skip.
iBook. The best value kit apple has. Great bang for book. If Apple could mirror this for their desktops? Heck, rip off the screens and sell the iSlab-cube for desktop heaven cheapness. Watch edu' market go nuts. iBook may...go G4 in another half a year's time. Maybe, not? Are there 1 gig G3's out there in the IBM vault?
iPod. Probably the most exciting thing at San Fran'. Quictime media played on a colour screen? Take iphotos of you and me? Cell phone add on functionality via iPhone?
'power'Macs? Due for another underwhelming revision in Feb/March. DDR. Slight revision to bus and cpu bumped to dual 1.4. No...this time, the real thing...honest. Whoop-de-doo. The x86 market has had it years already. These machines will be known as the forgettable ones after the 'stop gap' and sold poorly because the 970 came half a year later.
<strong>I emailed ATI for an answer on a possible revised release date and all I got back was a link to the July press release, which stated an early fall release.
I'd try not to worry too much about which card exactly... but expect something at MWSF to either be available or announce a definate release date. ATI 9700 PRO, or Geforce FX to be cool, or ATI 9500 PRO, or better Geforce 4 TI to be, well, not so cool.
Of course, everyone's right, the longer time goes without hearing about ATI 9700's the better chance they'll end up getting skipped for something else.
I'm thinking Geforece 2 MX will be replace by Geforece 4MX, while Geforce 4MX is replaced by ATI 9000, and ATI 9000 is replaced by Geforce 4 TI or ATI 9500, but what will come at the high high end? Maybe Geforce FX at this rate... which might just push ATI cards to lower positions in the Apple Line Up (And I'll tell you they'd rather sell more high end cards.)
<strong>Standard AGP cards dont work in macs?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think Apple is using AGP, too, so why wouldn't they? Unless it's a company that doesn't produce gfc chippies for the Mac (3dlabs or so) if should work with a ROM flash.
<strong>Standard AGP cards dont work in macs ? :eek:
Seems changing back from pc to mac is always gonna be 1 step away! </strong><hr></blockquote>
I beleve that people have had a lot of luch running "flashed" Gforce 2 cards, this indicates that Nvidia's AGP cards will work fine in Macs. I dont think that I have heard of anyong successfully using a PC ATI card in Macs though. This indicates that the problem is in the ATI cards, not the macs.
Id wait for any Nvidia card, I have the 9700 in my PC, and have yet to find a driver that works properly, I wont be buying any ATI cards for a while.
Then offcourse, I just got Unreal Tournament 2003, and its pretty sex too run this game at 1600x1200x32 6xAntiAlais +16 Anisotropic with all the options at max, still getting 40+ FPS. Now that is beautiful!
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To get the best out of this card I think we could do with a processor revision. More like the 970.
By the time an R300 ships then the R350 (R400?) will be just around the corner and by the time this ships for the Mac the 970 will probably imminent. So. Best advice? Wait. If ever there WAS a time to wait for a Mac purchase? The next 9 months is it.
No, I don't see Apple putting a Geforce FX or Radeon 9700 as standard even in the top of the line. But as an option.
Kick off the slippers...enjoy a Christmas brandy...safe in the knowledge that Apple hardware updates are going to be underwhelming for about half a year until Macworld New York next year.
The Powerbook is about the best piece of hardware Apple has right now. And it won't get much better than this until a die shrink 970 hits town or G4 on Rio. About a year away from anything sig'.
iMac. Painfully due for a revision. About a year away from anything significant. Over priced on anything but the top model? And the cpu in that is shameful for the price.
eMac. Forgettable. So, I'll skip.
iBook. The best value kit apple has. Great bang for book. If Apple could mirror this for their desktops? Heck, rip off the screens and sell the iSlab-cube for desktop heaven cheapness. Watch edu' market go nuts. iBook may...go G4 in another half a year's time. Maybe, not? Are there 1 gig G3's out there in the IBM vault?
iPod. Probably the most exciting thing at San Fran'. Quictime media played on a colour screen? Take iphotos of you and me? Cell phone add on functionality via iPhone?
'power'Macs? Due for another underwhelming revision in Feb/March. DDR. Slight revision to bus and cpu bumped to dual 1.4. No...this time, the real thing...honest. Whoop-de-doo. The x86 market has had it years already. These machines will be known as the forgettable ones after the 'stop gap' and sold poorly because the 970 came half a year later.
Festively,
Lemon Bon Bon
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<strong>I emailed ATI for an answer on a possible revised release date and all I got back was a link to the July press release, which stated an early fall release.
I guess that was just for the PC, huh?
anybody heard anything else?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'd try not to worry too much about which card exactly... but expect something at MWSF to either be available or announce a definate release date. ATI 9700 PRO, or Geforce FX to be cool, or ATI 9500 PRO, or better Geforce 4 TI to be, well, not so cool.
Of course, everyone's right, the longer time goes without hearing about ATI 9700's the better chance they'll end up getting skipped for something else.
I'm thinking Geforece 2 MX will be replace by Geforece 4MX, while Geforce 4MX is replaced by ATI 9000, and ATI 9000 is replaced by Geforce 4 TI or ATI 9500, but what will come at the high high end? Maybe Geforce FX at this rate... which might just push ATI cards to lower positions in the Apple Line Up (And I'll tell you they'd rather sell more high end cards.)
Seems changing back from pc to mac is always gonna be 1 step away!
<strong>Standard AGP cards dont work in macs?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think Apple is using AGP, too, so why wouldn't they? Unless it's a company that doesn't produce gfc chippies for the Mac (3dlabs or so) if should work with a ROM flash.
<strong>Standard AGP cards dont work in macs ? :eek:
Seems changing back from pc to mac is always gonna be 1 step away!
I beleve that people have had a lot of luch running "flashed" Gforce 2 cards, this indicates that Nvidia's AGP cards will work fine in Macs. I dont think that I have heard of anyong successfully using a PC ATI card in Macs though. This indicates that the problem is in the ATI cards, not the macs.
<a href="http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/graphics/flash_PC_geforce2mx.html#storytop"; target="_blank">http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/graphics/flash_PC_geforce2mx.html#storytop</a>;
<a href="http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/flashing_pc_geforce3.html"; target="_blank">http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/flashing_pc_geforce3.html</a>;
Then offcourse, I just got Unreal Tournament 2003, and its pretty sex too run this game at 1600x1200x32 6xAntiAlais +16 Anisotropic with all the options at max, still getting 40+ FPS. Now that is beautiful!