Schiller and MacOS X on Intel (Quote)

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in macOS edited January 2014
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For those who are able to follow german.



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SPIEGEL ONLINE: Wie steht es eigentlich mit dem Mac-Betriebssystem OS X? Apple behauptet immer wieder, dass es Windows um Längen überlegen sei. Warum machen sie davon nicht eine PC-Version? Zumal Microsoft seinen Windows-Nachfolger Longhorn ja gerade wieder einmal verschoben hat.



Schiller: Wir bieten lieber auf dem Mac eine Komplettlösung an. Da passen Soft- und Hardware zusammen und alles funktioniert. Dabei bleiben wir.



Basically he is saying: "(apple) prefers to offer a solution, where Soft- and Hardware do work together like a charm. We gonna stick with that."



No news though
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  • Reply 1 of 27
    placeboplacebo Posts: 5,767member
    Sometimes I just wish they'd go with AMD.
  • Reply 2 of 27
    I wish they'd just go with IBM....no wait.



    Why do people keep asking about OSX on Intel. I guess people are just "stuck on stupid"



    Apple hardware doesn't cost significantly more money to make. They just charge more for it. These intel dreams are spawned by people thinking they will buy that cheap Emachines and still get a Macintosh experience. Apple has IBM fabbing chips for them yet people want crappy cores like Intel's Prescott or the cool but horribly expensive Opterons.



    How well is Itanium doing against the POWER series. Their gettin' their arses kicked people. In the high end CPU sandbox Intel is the one getting sand kicked in their face. IBM has had fab issues just like Intel. The bleeding edge hurts but there is no way I want to see IBM traded out for dinky little AMD or the Paper Launch Kings(Intel)



    Show me a PC with custom design like the iMac G5 for 1299. Hell anyone can slap together commodity components for cheap..I easily built two PCs myself..I'd probably never buy a PC from a vendor. But custom design I cannot do. The innards of the G5 are breathtaking...I just hope it can stay cool.
  • Reply 3 of 27
    dobbydobby Posts: 797member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by hmurchison

    Why do people keep asking about OSX on Intel. I guess people are just "stuck on stupid"





    Brilliant summation!
  • Reply 4 of 27
    I think that the best reason for Apple to go to Intel chips (or any x86 architecture, for that matter) is the software possibilities.



    Let's face it....Virtual PC stinks and now that Microsoft owns it, it will likely become non-existant.



    However, if Apple moved to x86 architecture, then the emulation becomes much better. For example, Linux users can run a program called Win-for-Lin (or something like that) that runs windows program at nearly identical speeds as running the program under windows.



    That would eliminate the "no apps for Apple" problem.



    -Dr. Bimane
  • Reply 5 of 27
    mr. memr. me Posts: 3,221member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Dr.Bimane

    I think that the best reason for Apple to go to Intel chips (or any x86 architecture, for that matter) is the software possibilities.



    Let's face it....Virtual PC stinks and now that Microsoft owns it, it will likely become non-existant.



    However, if Apple moved to x86 architecture, then the emulation becomes much better. For example, Linux users can run a program called Win-for-Lin (or something like that) that runs windows program at nearly identical speeds as running the program under windows.



    That would eliminate the "no apps for Apple" problem.



    -Dr. Bimane




    This has been talked to death. MacOS X on Intel will not run Classic. It will not run the tens of thousands past and current MacOS and MacOS X applications, except in emulation. It will also put a substantial number of Mac-only developers out of business. Those of us with software investments running into the thousands of dollars will be forced to keep our old hardware longer than we had intended. Quite frankly, I cannot describe a scenario in which Mac-on-Intel helps anyone but Intel.
  • Reply 6 of 27
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,419member
    Previous poster is correct. Programmers cannot just recompile and make their programs X86 compatible unless we're talking about really small apps and some other massaging. Carbon Photoshop? Forget it.



    A much cooler idea is this and it was actually attempted at one time...er ok it was a rumor of an attempt.



    IBM was working on a PowerPC 615 chip that would natively run both Mac and PC software right down to the CPU. No emulation at all. As you can tell if never flew but don't be too suprised to see another attempt within the next Decade.



    If I've read correctly the multicore POWER5 processors can actually run different OS on some cores provided that OS supports PPC. The next logical step would be to try and graph two cores onto a die that are two completely different ISAs. Thus IBM or Apple could ship computers that can simultaneous run Longhorn 2009 and OSX 10.6. A command key could switch right from the OSX portion to X86 portion. As much effort as needed would be made to share components like Cache and memory controllers.



    No would that rock your knot or what! I'm thinking by the time we hit 45nm IBM may investigate this again. I imagine they'd love to sell Servers that can run Linux X86, Linux PPC and flavors of Unix simultaneously.



    The kicker is that PCs wouldn't be able to reciprocate because the PPC ISA hasn't been reverse engineered. So no...don't give me OSX on Intel...give me PPC/X86 in the same box.
  • Reply 7 of 27
    wmfwmf Posts: 1,164member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Dr.Bimane

    I think that the best reason for Apple to go to Intel chips (or any x86 architecture, for that matter) is the software possibilities.

    ...

    That would eliminate the "no apps for Apple" problem.




    After all, that worked great for OS/2!
  • Reply 8 of 27
    wmfwmf Posts: 1,164member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by hmurchison

    The kicker is that PCs wouldn't be able to reciprocate because the PPC ISA hasn't been reverse engineered.



    Yeah, if you want to know about the PowerPC ISA you have to, uh, go to the bookstore and buy the specification. Good thing nobody can do that.
  • Reply 9 of 27
    ionyzionyz Posts: 491member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by hmurchison

    Why do people keep asking about OSX on Intel. I guess people are just "stuck on stupid"



    Quote:

    Originally posted by dobby

    Brilliant summation!





    Yes it is brilliant. Better then reading peoples reasons to have "Mac OS X on Intel". From the forums, to online petitions, give it up. Apple can be the most innovative software company on earth, they go up against MS they die. If Apple ever ports OS X to Intel it will signal their end. When or if their marketshare gets too low to sustain themselves it will happen. Enjoy.



    Quote:

    Originally posted by hmurchison

    give me PPC/X86 in the same box.



    Exactly. At this point they should be able to pack a fanless VIA Eden in there, what about PCI-X PC cards similar to what Sun offers in their Sparc workstations?
  • Reply 10 of 27
    Quote:

    Originally posted by hmurchison

    ...Apple could ship computers that can simultaneous run Longhorn 2009 and OSX 10.6. A command key could switch right from the OSX portion to X86 portion. As much effort as needed would be made to share components like Cache and memory controllers.



    No would that rock your knot or what! I'm thinking by the time we hit 45nm IBM may investigate this again. I imagine they'd love to sell Servers that can run Linux X86, Linux PPC and flavors of Unix simultaneously.



    The kicker is that PCs wouldn't be able to reciprocate because the PPC ISA hasn't been reverse engineered. So no...don't give me OSX on Intel...give me PPC/X86 in the same box.




    Now that is a great idea



    Adobe, Macromedia, ID, Blizzard, <insert any multiplatform company here> would no longer need to update or maintain a seperate Mac version. They could just say "buy the Windows version, it works absolutly fine, at 100% speed, on your machine". It would save all of these companies tons (read tons) of money to cut out having to do the development, support, etc work for a seperate Mac version. All efforts could be put into the Windows version that now would run nativly on Apple hardware.



    Eventually, there would be no "Mac specific" software. If you were starting a new application, why would a developer write a program that could only target Mac users, when they could write a single program for Windows that covered everyone? In time, with no software running under MacOS X, Apple would fold as a company. Why would you buy MacOS X if there were no apps? Why would you buy the expensive Apple hardware, if the "PPC" chip went unused?



    Complete genius if you ask me
  • Reply 11 of 27
    Quote:

    Originally posted by hmurchison

    ...

    The kicker is that PCs wouldn't be able to reciprocate because the PPC ISA hasn't been reverse engineered. So no...don't give me OSX on Intel...give me PPC/X86 in the same box.




    Though, once - years ago - that happend. Remember these beige days (±1994) when apple introduced the PPC 6100 (pizza box). They delivered the pizza box with a build in 468 card, in order to tempt all pc boys. Compatibility was the main concern, though. No impact, big failure IM(h)O



    No! Apple stays steadily stand fast apple! The day apple announces "X on Intel/AMD", they've bloody sure hell given up. But this is far far away, believe me
  • Reply 12 of 27
    rraburrabu Posts: 264member
    Jobs already tried the "switch my great OS over to Intel" with Next. I doubt he'd repeat this.
  • Reply 13 of 27
    Why is Apple so wrong for wanting to create a single-source working computer? Apple wants to appeal to a demographic that wants stuff to work, as opposed to those who enjoy cobbling together a solution. They appeal to bigger picture thinkers who see Total Cost of Ownership beyond what the receipts for the purchases add up to.



    Who out there is really demanding the option to run OS X on anything else? People who would enjoy mucking around with strange hardware to get it to work? Mac enthusiasts? Linux types?



    About the only OS X on Intel we might see is a thin client that will allow your Intel box to hook into an XServe. And the only time Apple might introduce something like that is when they have Xgrid integrated into the OS so that there is a definite advantage to having Mac hardware running all over the place. Then you can give a secretary a fast Mac as the CPU cycles will be used by graphic artists for their PhotoShop filters.
  • Reply 14 of 27
    What's the point of these "Mac on Intel" posts? The people smoking crack around here seem to belive that they could use a $299 eMachines system to run OSX once it's ported to the Intel chips. On the other hand there are the pipe dreamers that have the illusion of running both OSX and Windows natively on the same box. What gives??
  • Reply 15 of 27
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ThinkingDifferent

    What's the point of these "Mac on Intel" posts?



    rumors?
  • Reply 16 of 27
    dobbydobby Posts: 797member
    OSX will stay on Apple hardware. (personal opinion)

    I can take my B&W G3 OS X drive and put it in a dual 1.25 MDD and my system is upgraded!

    I can also do this with a 1.6G5 to a Dual2G5.

    You can't do this on a MS or Linux box without updating drivers.

    This isn't Apple specific as it generally applies for most proprietry OS/Hardware vendors eg HP UX, SUN, SGI, VMS...



    If you want an OS on non Apple hardware then install Linux for free!



    Dobby.
  • Reply 17 of 27
    murkmurk Posts: 935member
    OS X ON INTEL, CONFIRMED!



    The Transitive rumors rear their ugly head again. http://page2.macrumors.com/



    Quote:

    According to an unconfirmed report, there is evidence that Apple has had special internal seeds of Tiger which support this technology for the x86 platform. Beyond allowing Tiger to run on x86, perhaps more significantly is the potential to also allow existing Mac OS X applications to be run on the x86 (PC) platform without recompilation. Otherwise, requiring developers to recompile all current Mac OS X applications has been seen as a major hurdle in providing Mac OS X on the PC.



    The confirmation, however, comes from Peter Oppenheimer's denial. http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/02...imer/index.php

    Quote:

    "We're happy with our company's rate of growth," he said, adding that Apple has no plans to license the operating systems.



    Oppy, the liar, is the one who throughout 2004 repeatedly said Apple had no interest in the $499 computer market.
  • Reply 18 of 27
    kickahakickaha Posts: 8,760member
    So if we ask him if he's a Martian sent to subjugate the Terran population, and he says no, then he must be?
  • Reply 19 of 27
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by rrabu

    Jobs already tried the "switch my great OS over to Intel" with Next. I doubt he'd repeat this.



    NeXT had no big following, NeXT had no pop culture hook, like apples iPod, NeXT hit x86 when windows was in its hay day, windows is getting a bad rep now, spyware, adware, viruses, yada, yada, and could you inagine the server market?Apple could say "Hey small biz comunity, you can have all of the advantages of unix without keeping an expert on staff - it is unix servers for the rest of us!" and for desktops, well you all know those advantages, but I dont see this going beta till WWDC 2006 and a release in Paris 2006, because If apple does this, MS will pull office so fast that it will make your head spin, so before this can be done, Apple needs to mature iWork and make a real pro level version complete with filemaker.
  • Reply 20 of 27
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Placebo

    Sometimes I just wish they'd go with AMD.



    Huh?



    Oh you were being sarcastic.
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