Sun out. Intel in. Steve Jobs gives Intel Keynote?

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  • Reply 40 of 119
    Another thought:



    IBM serving Linux

    Apple X-serve 'X'



    Is that a team-tag on Sun and Intel? If Sun loses server 'space' then IBM and Apple mop-up the middle and low-end respectively?



    No Renderman on 'X'.



    But with all things Unix, surely it's a matter of time?



    X11 is a brilliant chess move. Bringing thousands of potential Unix apps to Apple. All of a sudden, 'X' is teaming with application support. A real M$ protest vehicle. Staroffice a mere recompile away? Surely it's a matter of political will or timing? Apple's 3% is like a dwarf star threatening to collapse into a black hole drawing everything near to it...irresistably... Apple will be the Unix single vendor.



    Hmmm. Can you imagine it? Apple offers X-serve in a choice of Intel or 970 flavours. It would really give their profits a boost.



    With rumours of a M$ 'Switch' campaign against Apple pending...I think Apple are going to come out and fight... M$ deliver '11' office and Apple then introduce Apple works 7 on heat...based on Staroffice/Open Office and do a 'Safari' on M$'s 'Office'.



    I think the next two years are going to be fun!



    Lemon Bon Bon



    [ 02-08-2003: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]



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  • Reply 42 of 119
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    [quote]Originally posted by Dave K.:

    <strong>





    Maybe Apple's PDA or Tablet will use Intel chips?? </strong><hr></blockquote>

    Why not. They make the Xscale processor for pocketPC and that processor was based on the StrongARM, the newton processor. They could ressurect the only Newton code...



    Yeah right, I wish.
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  • Reply 43 of 119
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    [quote]Originally posted by Dave K.:

    <strong>This could lead to big problems for Apple if the press shines this in the wrong light. I can see it now...



    Why doesn't the CEO of Pixar use Apple computers?

    If they aren't good enough for Pixar why should anyone else buy them?

    Why is Pixar porting the Renderman application to Linux but not Mac OS X?



    Great </strong><hr></blockquote>



    1) This has never been a problem before; during Pixar's rise to its current glory, they never used Macs to do any heavy lifting and no-one cared.



    2) Apple has never had a reputation for building high-end 3D workstations, so it's irrelevant. The press knows full well that it means nothing, because a sizeable percentage of the press use Macs.



    This is much more of a blow to Sun than to Apple. However, if Pixar were to adopt Apple hardware, it would mean that Apple was actually making something well-suited for that kind of work, and that would generate a real buzz. It would be breaking new ground.



    As for the Power5, it's clearly not a monster like the Power4. If IBM intends to get it in blades, and competing with the Itanium, then they will be interested in making it as inexpensive as practicable, which means selling as many as possible, which might mean looking outside of IBM for interested customers.



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  • Reply 44 of 119
    [quote] Apple has never had a reputation for building high-end 3D workstations <hr></blockquote>



    With Moki reading the tea leaves, it looks like we're about to get THAT reputation in due course.



    Sun's to lose, Apple's to gain. IBM help out to weaken it's foe in the server space.



    Twiddle's fingers like Mr. Burns, 'Excellent...'



    Lemon Bon Bon :cool:
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  • Reply 45 of 119
    bartobarto Posts: 2,246member
    I doubt that Apple will adopt x86 chips in any line. Optimizing for a single chip (now G4, later 970) is the key to Apple's performance.



    These Power Macs are SUCH a stop-gap. Power Logix is gonna intro a Dual 1.4GHz 7457 card. Cooler than the 7455, and double the cache. 4MB L3 per chip, 512KB L2 per chip. If you want the fastest Mac available, buy Power Logix! Retarded.



    The Power5 is interetsing though. If Apple licensed Mac OS X Server to IBM (for workstations and servers), and Pixar switched to that.... kewl.



    This whole thread is not based on much.



    Barto
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  • Reply 46 of 119
    snoopysnoopy Posts: 1,901member
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  • Reply 47 of 119
    programmerprogrammer Posts: 3,503member
    [quote]Originally posted by snoopy:

    <strong>Regarding Steve's talk. Anyone post this yet?



    <a href="http://shrikant.emergic.org/archives/2003/02/02/index.html#004419"; target="_blank">http://shrikant.emergic.org/archives/2003/02/02/index.html#004419</a></strong><hr></blockquote>;



    Good post.



    It seems nobody thought to wonder about what Steve said to the people at the Intel conference. Sounds like it was more about philosophy and culture than promoting Intel's products... in fact it sounds like Steve managed to slip in a bit of "Switch" marketing when Intel wasn't looking.



    :cool:
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  • Reply 48 of 119
    [quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:

    <strong>



    M$ are, ironically, following the 'not invented here syndrome' and Apple are, equally ironically, supporting and driving the major open standards in software.



    This is Next, is it not?



    PS. I like the sound of the Power5. It could be awesome. And we're all watching for the 970 when the Power5 derived cpu may be the one to truly lead the Apple performance charge for their Shake workstation market. Intel spinning the tyres on 4 giggers and IBM heading to multicores and multiprocessors that behave as one?



    Macosunix is working. Apple is in unchartered waters. Unix and Java geeks are doing it on the best laptops around: Apple ones.



    'X' is like the Sermon from the Mount.



    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Very very true El Bee-Bee.



    I'm sure there's many other person's like myself, who've bumped into many a Unix geek with a Titanium, that previously wouldn't have dared to dream of an Apple on their desk, unless it hit them on the head while sleeping.



    In short ...



    OSX is, definitely, working.



    But as James Burke (God) says, you never know where innovation might lead.



    I don't know where we're going, but things are definitely slowly starting to 'connect' for Apple. Motorola & IBM in the low end, IBM in the hi end, and perhaps Intel in certain specialized markets [ assuming Intel isn't just a solution in search of a market, which I fear,it might be].



    Who else can say that?



    Yes Programmer, if the Power5 does rock as much as IBM says it will, [yes I realise IBM invented FUD, but I'm curious as to what their track record is vis FUD deployment in Unix chip matters] happy days will soon be here again.



    OT



    Holding Breath -&gt;
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  • Reply 49 of 119
    neutrino23neutrino23 Posts: 1,575member
    [quote]Originally posted by Amorph:

    <strong>... Intel happens to be the engine underneath, because right now the P4 does what they need done fastest, and also because, ports notwithstanding, Linux' preferred platform is x86 - and, again, that will remain true for some years before even a behemoth like IBM can hope to change it. ...</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Actually, according to the CNET article they are switching to 2.8GHz XEON processors, not P4s.



    [quote] The Emeryville, Calif.-based film studio is replacing servers from Sun in its render farm--a bank of servers that fuses artists' images into finished film frames--with eight new blade servers from Rackspace. In all, the blade system contains 1,024 Intel 2.8GHz Xeon processors, and it runs the open-source Linux operating system. <hr></blockquote>
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  • Reply 50 of 119
    fotnsfotns Posts: 301member
    The Xeon is a P4 with larger, faster cache.
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  • Reply 51 of 119
    All of a sudden the Steve's life looks a lot like Dante's Inferno.



    Canto IV: The Third Ring of Hell-The Intel Meeting:





    What is Steve doing at an Intel Sales meetings? And what did he have to say to Intel exactly?



    I am totally floored. I've fallen...and I can't get up. This is creepy. This HAS to be a prank or a stone. cold. lie.



    I mean really, Why invite Steve to an Intel shindig? Did he talk about USB 1.1 or USB 2? PCI? A new, modern PCI bus replacment protocol (Hypertransport or whatever)? What? Is he warming up to them? Did he make "toasted bunny" jokes?



    "Boy it sure hot in here, fellas. Oh wait, it's all those P4 laptops in here. Heh. But seriously, it sure was great to invite me..."



    I realize that Steve isn't "enemies" with Intel's brass on a personal level, but at the same time, do you really invite the competition to your own internal sales conference? Something is fishy! Smell that? It's fish I say. Fish! (Imagine the Lynard Skynard song right now. It will help my dramatic effect)



    Steve is a strategic guy. He is pragmatic. But not stupid. I am very suprised that Pixar would use an Intel-based solution and have it be public knowledge. It just doesn't look good at all. Nothing against Intel, but come on. It just looks...weak.



    Steve is pals with Scott McNealy. Steve likes Sun, Apple likes Sun. Sun likes Apple. Apple likes Java. Sun considered buying Apple. I realize that Pixar and Apple are not related, but to some (many) people in the general public, this action indicates Steve is basically saying "Linux is better than OS X and Intel is better than PPC, and CISC is better than RISC". I know I am generalizing. Don't flame me. But the average joe will pick up on this story and scream "conspiracy!" Wait, is that what I am doing? No. I am much too mature, calm, and level-headed. Oh what the hell. CONSPIRACY! I feel better now.



    Next week Avie Tevanian will be speaking at a Microsoft developer's forum in Houston Texas. See you there.



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  • Reply 52 of 119
    algolalgol Posts: 833member
    Yea, I am quite sure that the, "Apple speaks at intel," rumor is a complete lie. Sorry, but until someone can show me a source that displays the facts in this area, I am unwilling to accept baseless facts. If Jobs had really spoken at Intel's conference, it would be public knowledge not a rumor.
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  • Reply 53 of 119
    jccbinjccbin Posts: 476member
    Give up , Algol. It happened.





    "In a historic joint discussion between Andy Grove and Steve Jobs at the Intel Sales Conference in January, Jobs brilliantly explained a similar situation, the big problem today is children consume a lot of video and rich media but are not able to express using the same media, a phenomena pretty much one way. We may disagree but cannot ignore, this will be the media of communication for the next generation, he added. The computer industry needs to build authoring tools, that are easy to use and allows the next generation to author and communicate using video. Steve showed us a number of video demos, making it very clear that Apple is a leader to make this a reality. I was extremely excited to note the significant role the PC has in making the next generation author and communicate using video, a industry designated mature and boring. Around the same time, Lee Gomes from The Wall Street Journal quoted " Who does Steve Jobs think he is ? Trying to make the PC industry interesting "





    from <a href="http://shrikant.emergic.org/archives/2003/02/02/index.html#004419"; target="_blank">http://shrikant.emergic.org/archives/2003/02/02/index.html#004419</a>;



    I'm sure it's a conspiracy to brace up the "lie..."
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  • Reply 54 of 119
    cliveclive Posts: 720member
    [quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:

    <strong>



    But access to a 'belief system' of 97%.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Nope, the belief system isn't interested in Intel, it's interested in Windows. The same way that, at the end of the day, you're not interested in in PPC, you're interested in MacOS (WTFTITD).
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  • Reply 55 of 119
    telomartelomar Posts: 1,804member
    [quote]Originally posted by dstranathan:

    <strong>I realize that Pixar and Apple are not related, but to some (many) people in the general public, this action indicates Steve is basically saying "Linux is better than OS X and Intel is better than PPC, and CISC is better than RISC".</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Damn people come up with weird ideas. Apple has no presence in this market. Pixar wouldn't have even considered Apple. They might have had discussions with IBM but for when they needed the hardware they felt Linux on Intel was the best solution. Only real story is they dumped Sun, which is a blow for them. Apple wouldn't have ever even been invited to come to the starting grid.
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  • Reply 56 of 119
    algolalgol Posts: 833member
    [quote]Originally posted by jccbin:

    <strong>Give up , Algol. It happened.





    "In a historic joint discussion between Andy Grove and Steve Jobs at the Intel Sales Conference in January, Jobs brilliantly explained a similar situation, the big problem today is children consume a lot of video and rich media but are not able to express using the same media, a phenomena pretty much one way. We may disagree but cannot ignore, this will be the media of communication for the next generation, he added. The computer industry needs to build authoring tools, that are easy to use and allows the next generation to author and communicate using video. Steve showed us a number of video demos, making it very clear that Apple is a leader to make this a reality. I was extremely excited to note the significant role the PC has in making the next generation author and communicate using video, a industry designated mature and boring. Around the same time, Lee Gomes from The Wall Street Journal quoted " Who does Steve Jobs think he is ? Trying to make the PC industry interesting "





    from <a href="http://shrikant.emergic.org/archives/2003/02/02/index.html#004419"; target="_blank">http://shrikant.emergic.org/archives/2003/02/02/index.html#004419</a>;



    I'm sure it's a conspiracy to brace up the "lie..."</strong><hr></blockquote>



    It's all a conspiracy! It didn't happen! Lies, lies, lies, all lies!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!! I cannot accept this, I cannot! <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[surprised]" /> <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[surprised]" /> <img src="embarrassed.gif" border="0"> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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  • Reply 57 of 119
    Pixar went out shopping for the best solution and Apple wasn't their answer. This doesn't surprise me at all, and I don't see how this could be a sign of Apple's future direction.



    The only real news I can get from this is that Pixar doesn't think the 970 and os X are worth the wait (for their purposes). I don't know exactly what that means, but I would assume that if they are porting Renderman to Linux, they mean to stay there for a while. I could be wrong on that though.
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  • Reply 58 of 119
    algolalgol Posts: 833member
    Or maybe they need new computers now and can't afford to wait the better part of a year...
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  • Reply 59 of 119
    mr. memr. me Posts: 3,221member
    [quote]Originally posted by jccbin:

    <strong>Give up , Algol. It happened.



    ....

    from <a href="http://shrikant.emergic.org/archives/2003/02/02/index.html#004419"; target="_blank">http://shrikant.emergic.org/archives/2003/02/02/index.html#004419</a>;



    I'm sure it's a conspiracy to brace up the "lie..."</strong><hr></blockquote>This link is a blog entry two weeks after the supposed event. How is this proof of anything?



    If Steve Jobs spoke to an Intel sales meeting, then there should have been some mainstream coverage of the event. An Intel meeting is of some import. Having Steve Jobs as the keynote speaker would most certainly raise the meeting's profile. However, it was not on TechTV. It was not in USA Today. It was not in the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal. Several weeks ago, we had only rumors. Your reference and the CNet piece can both be explained as repetition of those old rumors.
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  • Reply 60 of 119
    Not to mention Pixar choosing Apple would have been just a tad bit of "conflict of interest." However, it is odd to have seen Apple buy up all the 3D film stuff (i.e. Shake). Even if Apple did release some equipment with the gusto to handle all the rendering to Hollywood pro standards, I don't think Pixar would switch with this investment being made -- or does it have the ability to turnover equipment/OS that quickly? This is all very confusing, but I don't think we can infer any sort of circumstance with IBM/Apple using this (somewhat old) news.
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