Moto 7457/7447 - announced

clive · February 10, 2003 9:54AM

Sorry, not keeping my eye on the ball - but maybe this is news, I received this press release this morning about Moto 7457/7447 chips.

<a href="http://www.ffgb.presscentre.co.uk/news/releasemail.asp?ct=70&ATrk=1&RCip=367&ReleaseID=90 51" target="_blank">http://www.ffgb.presscentre.co.uk/news/releasemail.asp?ct=70&ATrk=1&RCip=367&ReleaseID=90 51</a>

Does that make it "current hardware"!?

Uh, sorry just saw the other thread - could this mean "Moto announces new chips today, Apple announces new PowerBooks tomorrow?". (Because it's Tuesday tomorrow :-)

Release says 1.0 GHz runs at less than 10 watts, they run at up to 1.3 GHz.

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bigc · February 10, 2003 10:02AM

so 1 GHz @ 1.1V --- does that mean 1.7 GHz @1.85V?

jcg · February 10, 2003 10:10AM

I would say that this is future hardware, since it is just an anouncement of the chip, and not a shipping product from Apple....and this looks promising for my Cube!!!!!

codewarrior · February 10, 2003 10:12AM

New xServes aren't using them (edit: Apples announcement still list G4 with 256K L2 cache so not 7457 - Sorry I jumped the gun). Also they are "new devices are manufactured using Motorola's 0.13-micron

HiPerMOS silicon-on-insulator copper interconnect process technology" - from the Newswire release.

About time!

I'm guessing the PM 1.42 GHZ are 7457 chips.

<a href="http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=31437784"; target="_blank">Moto 7447 & 7457 press release</a>

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string · February 10, 2003 10:18AM

"Alpha samples of the MPC7457 and MPC7447 PowerPC processors are available today to selected customers. General market sampling is planned for March, with production expected to commence in Q4 2003."

kecksy · February 10, 2003 10:49AM

Yeah, Apple is not using these yet. I bet the Dual 1.42GHz is still a 7455.

clive · February 10, 2003 10:59AM

[quote]Originally posted by string:

"Alpha samples of the MPC7457 and MPC7447 PowerPC processors are available today to selected customers. General market sampling is planned for March, with production expected to commence in Q4 2003."<hr></blockquote>

Uh, I suppose I should have read it. :-)

I did read this part though: "Suggested retail pricing for the MPC7457 at 1 GHz is expected to be $189 in 10k quantities."

Sounds relatively cheap, no?

These chips are also 1.3GHz max, so the 1.4GHz must be something else. If these are shipping in March, then it sounds like that's when we may see 15" PowerBook updates, and perhaps even boosts to 12" and 17" machines - no earlier.

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o and a · February 10, 2003 11:19AM

[quote]Originally posted by Clive:



Uh, I suppose I should have read it. :-)

I did read this part though: "Suggested retail pricing for the MPC7457 at 1 GHz is expected to be $189 in 10k quantities."

Sounds relatively cheap, no?

These chips are also 1.3GHz max, so the 1.4GHz must be something else. If these are shipping in March, then it sounds like that's when we may see 15" PowerBook updates, and perhaps even boosts to 12" and 17" machines - no earlier.

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Thtas kind of a steep price i guess

In before move!

agent302 · February 10, 2003 11:24AM

According to the press release, it's 1.3 Ghz at 1.3 V, which is likely stated because Motorola's target market seeks low power consumption as much as high performance. Apple, on the other hand, could probably use one at 1.6 or even 1.85 V, which means the frequency could in theory be greater. But Q4 is kinda late to the 130 nm game.

gardenofearthlydelights · February 10, 2003 11:35AM

[quote]Originally posted by Clive:



Uh, I suppose I should have read it. :-)

I did read this part though: "Suggested retail pricing for the MPC7457 at 1 GHz is expected to be $189 in 10k quantities."

Sounds relatively cheap, no?

<hr></blockquote>

No. Maybe. I don't know.

I picked up an Athlon XP2200+ for $125. The new XP3000+ is going for something like $600 retail. I'm guessing the price/performance is somewhere in there, so I'd say it's "okay," not necessarily cheap.

cowerd · February 10, 2003 11:41AM

[quote]If these are shipping in March, then it sounds like that's when we may see 15" PowerBook updates<hr></blockquote>Not shipping in March, but in Q4 2003. But that's info for the general public--who knows when Apple gets these, though it seems like Moto has managed to screw the pooch again. [quote]General market sampling is planned for March, with production expected to commence in Q4 2003.<hr></blockquote>

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algol · February 10, 2003 4:25PM

Apple already has them I bet. They just don't have production numbers. We should see updates again in July I am guessing. ON a tuesday

amorph · February 10, 2003 4:32PM

Apple can't introduce a chip before Mot begins general production. Samples are just that: Samples. Small quantities.

In fact, given the generally poor yields of a new CPU (especially on Mot's fabs) I would expect Q4 production of the 7457 to imply a late winter/early spring product release. They might announce the products earlier, but I actually doubt that.

I know I posted something somewhere about how the 7457 was timed about right for a 'Book revision, but as of now I'm not sure that it is. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> I suppose it depends on how well manufacturing goes. It would have to be going really well to meet Apple's goal of making laptops account for half their sales, though. That's a lot of G4s.

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barto · February 10, 2003 11:56PM

This is sh*t. Utter bullsh*t on the part of Motorola.

Less than 2GHz. Shared 166MHz bus. 512KB L2, 2MB L3.

AND THIS IS ~NOVEMBER 2003!

Barto

aquatic · February 11, 2003 12:01AM

What!?

Everyone: what is the chance of Apple upgrading the MiTiBook 12" with these? I am going to buy one this weekend but not if it's going to be updated so soon!

Oops I forgot to quote:

[quote]If these are shipping in March, then it sounds like that's when we may see 15" PowerBook updates, and perhaps even boosts to 12" and 17" machines - no earlier. <hr></blockquote>

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powerdoc · February 11, 2003 12:47AM

The 7457 will not ship until november. Quite sad for a ship scheduled for march on the roadmap.

It means no new speed bump of the powermac line since november or since the release of the PPC 970 ( i doubt that a 7455 will be able to be clocked above 1,42 ghz).

I hate to say it again, but Motorola really sucks.

aquatic · February 11, 2003 9:56AM

Good call Powerdoc.

krassy · February 11, 2003 11:20AM

i think the powermacs with 970 will be out in late summer (if not before)... apple can't stick with 1.42 until november - and they won't ... this makes me happy. although it is sad for motorola

apple has done it's best for the PM-G4-line -- i'm sure they have to give some ass-kicks to get that 1.4Ghz 7455 ...

zapchud · February 11, 2003 11:51AM

[quote]Originally posted by GardenOfEarthlyDelights:



No. Maybe. I don't know.

I picked up an Athlon XP2200+ for $125. The new XP3000+ is going for something like $600 retail. I'm guessing the price/performance is somewhere in there, so I'd say it's "okay," not necessarily cheap.<hr></blockquote>

While the Athlon is a fast/cheap chip, it's power consumtion/heat dissipation-"problems" is nothing to overlook imo.

clive · February 11, 2003 2:05PM

[quote]Originally posted by Barto:

This is sh*t. Utter bullsh*t on the part of Motorola.<hr></blockquote>

Well perhaps you can point out another vendor for low powered chips - the 1GHz is using under 10 watts.

It's clear enough to me what their focus is - and it would seem that doesn't include fast, power consuming chips for desktops.

If the 970 does pan out then I think we're likely to see them in desktop units and 7457/7447s in laptops.

barto · February 11, 2003 11:31PM

I wasn't expecting the G4 to transmorgify into a desktop processor. ALL WE EVER ASKED FOR WAS PROGRESS!

2 years between a f*cking DIE-SHRINK is not good enough! Motorola retards.

Barto

Moto 7457/7447 - announced

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