PM's can not afford to get a penny more expensive than they already are. PPC970 will NOT do more than temporarily slow the bleeding if it drives costs up. At a bare minimum the mid and high-end models have to stay exactly where they are price wise while at LEAST adding PPC970 performance and DP performance on the high-end. The low end tower, unless it's going to also get a PPC970 has to get a LOT cheaper.
I have no idea why people get it in their head that the 970 is going to be some super expensive chip. The PowerMacs, Xserves, and PowerBooks will use the 970 before the end of the year. They will not cost anymore than they do now, I promise. Gosh people it's not a Power4 is a 970. IBM made this chip to be a cheaper alternative to the Power4.
<strong>I have no idea why people get it in their head that the 970 is going to be some super expensive chip. The PowerMacs, Xserves, and PowerBooks will use the 970 before the end of the year. They will not cost anymore than they do now, I promise. Gosh people it's not a Power4 is a 970. IBM made this chip to be a cheaper alternative to the Power4.</strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]Yet, the 970 dissipates more heat than current G4s. And seriously, I don't want HOTTER PowerBooks[\\.<hr></blockquote>Supposedly 12W at 1.2GHZ. I believe this is less than current chips in PBs.
<strong>Yet, the 970 dissipates more heat than current G4s. And seriously, I don't want HOTTER PowerBooks.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think it'll see the inside of a PowerBook before it moves to .09μ. At that point it should be fine.
On the other hand, Apple is getting really good at both passive and active cooling in those ultrathin cases. I'd be surprised if the low-voltage 970 (the one that consumes 19W at 1.2GHz) is much hotter than the 1GHz 7455 sitting in the PB right now (~15W at 1GHz if I remember right).
I am agreeing that the current- and last-update G4's are just interum holdover machines, designed to fend off the Pentium for the meantime, while Apple devotes the majority of the Apple hardware workforce to work on the real Mackoy. (Is that how you spell it?) Its kinda like a Trojan Horse diversion strategy. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
One question. How much smaller will the .09 IBM chip be than the G4's currently produced? This may provide for additional processors to be placed in the same relative real estate that a larger G4 currently occupies in the PB. With reduction in heat output with the smaller chip and the creation of better cooling techniques this seems a possibility. Afterall, why have one when you can have two? Towers are a nice thing to have, but when you need to be mobile, there ought to be a hard core Power Book that can get the job done without maxing out resources.
Okay, I did some research on my own using PDF's provided on IBM's website and on Motorola's. Here's what I found when comparing the two chips: 970 and the MPC 7457 / MPC 7447 (low power for the Power Book). I found that IBM gave a lot more stats on it's chips than the Moto folks did. I found that the 970 1.8 GHz struts it's stuff with peak scalar GFLOPS of 7.2, SIMD GFLOPS at 14.4, and it's dimensions are 25x25mm (far smaller than the G4 - just visually confirming as Moto didn't provide measurements). The only comparible stats I could find in their PDF's were the Dhrystone test results. The G4 @ 1GHz = 2310. The 970 @ 1.8 GHz = 5220! That's well over double the performance of the G4 at less than double the GHz. With a much smaller footprint and lower wattage, this chip might be able to be placed in the Power Book in a multi chip configuration, but even if it doesn't, the evidence provided by the manufacturers suggests that even a single 970 in a PB would really improve intensive processing functions provided that OS X and the accompanying iApps move over to the 64 bit side of the house. Just figured I'd share my findings with you all. Have a good day.
Personally I believe that the 970 will be well able to run a PowerBook in the 1.2Ghz form. It doesn't use any more power than the G4 1Ghz. Just another myth. We may even see 970 PowerBooks before 970 PowerMacs, granted only a week ahead or so, but yet first. I believe we will be very pleased come late summer! Gosh I'm getting so excited!
Just because it happened with Airport Extreme and Firewire 800 doesn't mean that a new processor will be initialized in a portable before a desktop. What I think will happen is Apple will use the newly released 7447/7457 processors. They are very power-efficient and they run cool: two awesome traits of a mobile processor. The desktops will have 970, and 8X AGP, hopefully with a Geforce FX installed.
<strong>Something tell me that there will be two lines of powermac when the 970 will be introduced : the high end one with IBM chips, and a low end one with the G4 and the current mobo. The low one will be less expansive with a good prize drop : it will be the low cost power that some consumers wants.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I smell I Dell competitor. If priced correctly, the G4s could take on the dirt- cheap hunks of underdesigned crap that Dell is spewing. And, obviously, the Macs would be sold by the outside looks and inside power that is native to the Powermac lineup.
I find it amusing to read recent posts in these forums discussing the NV30/GeforceFX.
Sorry folks, but it looks like Nvidia have dropped the ball on this one... This video card looks and smells like a turkey.
It might provide the best graphics performance available, but at what price? Loosing an additional expansion slot in your system? Burning out the power supply in your case? Having even noisier fans blowing air about? I think even the hardcore PC gamers are questioning it's viability in the market, and that is saying something....
The NV30 for all intents and purposes is DOA. It does make a nice Quadro card but reports are Nvidia will move on quickly to future incarnations of the NV series.
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<strong>I have no idea why people get it in their head that the 970 is going to be some super expensive chip. The PowerMacs, Xserves, and PowerBooks will use the 970 before the end of the year. They will not cost anymore than they do now, I promise. Gosh people it's not a Power4 is a 970. IBM made this chip to be a cheaper alternative to the Power4.</strong><hr></blockquote>
yup.
<strong>Supposedly 12W at 1.2GHZ. I believe this is less than current chips in PBs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I thought it was 19W @ 1.2?
<strong>Yet, the 970 dissipates more heat than current G4s. And seriously, I don't want HOTTER PowerBooks.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think it'll see the inside of a PowerBook before it moves to .09μ. At that point it should be fine.
On the other hand, Apple is getting really good at both passive and active cooling in those ultrathin cases. I'd be surprised if the low-voltage 970 (the one that consumes 19W at 1.2GHz) is much hotter than the 1GHz 7455 sitting in the PB right now (~15W at 1GHz if I remember right).
I guess a 19 W 970 @ 1.2 GHz would do nicely in a PowerBook.
Yes, in *my* new 15.4 ...
<strong>Something tell me that there will be two lines of powermac when the 970 will be introduced : the high end one with IBM chips, and a low end one with the G4 and the current mobo. The low one will be less expansive with a good prize drop : it will be the low cost power that some consumers wants.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Do I smell cube?
Sorry folks, but it looks like Nvidia have dropped the ball on this one... This video card looks and smells like a turkey.
It might provide the best graphics performance available, but at what price? Loosing an additional expansion slot in your system? Burning out the power supply in your case? Having even noisier fans blowing air about? I think even the hardcore PC gamers are questioning it's viability in the market, and that is saying something....
ATI has not been sitting on it's hands. We should see the R(v)350 Series <a href="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=1045520279"; target="_blank">soon.</a>