Adobe to Buy Macromedia
Just saw this on the Adobe site. Anyone out there with any real insight into the near term effects on the respective software packages?
Edit: Here's the link:
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invr...acromedia.html
Edit: Here's the link:
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invr...acromedia.html
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Originally posted by Esteban
Just saw this on the Adobe site. Anyone out there with any real insight into the near term effects on the respective software packages?
Edit: Here's the link:
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invr...acromedia.html
Well, GoLive is rubbish so Dreamweaver should take centre stage there. As for Illustrator, I'm not so sure, as I know a few designers who prefer Freehand (as I do).. as for Photoshop, InDesign, Flash etc. I think they'll simply remain as they are with Adobe branding, as there is really much to touch them at the moment.
I think this is squarely Adobe hopping on the "pro web design" train. We'll have to see I suppose. \
Originally posted by Esteban
Just saw this on the Adobe site. Anyone out there with any real insight into the near term effects on the respective software packages?
Edit: Here's the link:
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invr...acromedia.html
The whole graphic industry in one company. Gee. How terrible can that be?
- Xidius
Xidius wrote: The whole graphic industry in one company. Gee. How terrible can that be?
Amen to that
more here
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...e&NewsID=11340
I love photoshop but I cannot afford even the student version (299.99)and PS elements is a fucking joke!
look for adobe to triple prices because they will have a monopoly - or at absolute best one hell of a monopolistic competition in the arts...want new adobe or macromedia software? better mortgage the farm
Originally posted by Messiah
I wonder what Quark are thinking at the moment?
I forgot about Quark...maybe they could make a web design tool...hummm...and a photoshop wannabe?
Originally posted by telekon
Well, GoLive is rubbish so Dreamweaver should take centre stage there.
GoLive has some thing going for it... a fusion is more likely, but in an Adobe interface?
I can't really picture Dreamweaver in an Adobe interface.
Originally posted by New
GoLive has some thing going for it... a fusion is more likely, but in an Adobe interface?
I can't really picture Dreamweaver in an Adobe interface.
I think that DW fits better in an Adobe interface than GoLive does. After all that time GoLive still doesn't feel like an Adobe app.
Hopefully Adobe will use collapsable palettes in their apps in the future.
Besides that, this is a good thing. MM's products are horrible on the Mac. Flash is a dog compared to the PC version, DW too. Hopefully Adobe will improve performance of these apps across platforms.
I wonder what Adobe is going to do w/Cold Fusion. Any chance of seeing a dev/server package for the Mac?
Apple buys Adobe
One Apple to rule us all!
I for one am looking forward to our new Apple? overlords.
Originally posted by blue2kdave
In one year...
Apple buys Adobe
One Apple to rule us all!
I for one am looking forward to our new Apple? overlords.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Then there would be no creative apps at all for windows! If you already have a powerfull PC and want to edit video, you can buy premere, page layout - indesign w/pagemaker plugins, web - studio mx, and so on, but in this senario, one would need not only the software - but a rediculously overpriced mid-tower computer to run the damn thing - I LOVE mac, and wouldnt trade my mini for anything but lets face it, the baseline 2000$ mid tower is a friggen joke - a laughing stock when the $500 bestbuy weekly special has double the ram, more hdd and a dvd-r,
Now lets look at what the fanboys say about MS, "they buy weaker smaller companies and use their tech then lock apple and linux users out!!! WA WAAA I WANT THE SOFTWARE TOO!" if apple does this, it makes them as bad as Microsoft - buying up everything and destroying the cross platform stuff - look at Logic - didnt that used to run in windows?
Originally posted by blue2kdave
In one year...
Apple buys Adobe
One Apple to rule us all!
I for one am looking forward to our new Apple? overlords.
I for one welcome our new overlords at Apple. One Hardware+Software Package to rule them all, indeed.
Okay, here's my run down on graphic/web design Pro Apps line, IMHO
Photoshop: Undisputed heavyweight champion of the world
Illustrator vs Freehand: I suspect Freehand will be axed within 1 year, Illustrator becomes undisputed heavyweight vector champion of the world
Flash: Adobe may tinker with this but the core Flash developers will be treated like Gods when they move into Adobe... lets face it SVG didn't really catch on, did it?
GoLive: Adobe will drop this within 1 year because, yes it is rubbish, and clearly Dreamweaver kicks azz.
InDesign: Will continue to dominate, Quark will hang around but be niche
Macromedia corporate products eg. Breeze and Contribute :: will be given the marketing leg-up by Adobe
All in all, monopoly concerns aside they're going to combine their marketing efforts to stave off open source and the little guys from nipping at their heels, and eliminate overlap, namely 1. illustrator replaces freehand (some designers will be crushed emotionally, i know, i sympathize), and 2. dreamweaver replaces golive (most designers will rejoice).
At least it's not bloody Microsoft
APPLE ~!!! BUY ADOBE!!! YEAHHHH !!!111!!!
Too many designers have defected to the dark side... Sad is the day when a designer chooses a PC over a Mac...
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Don't forget, the Macromedia guys are the ones who sold off Randy Ubillios and Final Cut.
Macromedia's managers weren't the brightest lights on the tree, folks.
And yeah, Macromedia didn't make the greatest strategic moves.
Quark is irrelevant at this point, no matte rif all those old graphics and publishing shops still prefer it. There's no growth there. They're just rearranging deck chairs while Adobe surely and steadily passes them by.
I'm pretty sure this will kick Apple in the behind with regard to their software strategy, how much to get into still/web graphics, even if it's just Pages Pro or Fun House Pro.
Originally posted by BuonRotto
Just for the record, I believe that Adobe, especially now, is way to big for Apple to swallow. I'm pretty sure Adobe dwarfs the fruit company. Wouldn't be a good idea or a good match anyway IMO.
And yeah, Macromedia didn't make the greatest strategic moves.
Quark is irrelevant at this point, no matte rif all those old graphics and publishing shops still prefer it. There's no growth there. They're just rearranging deck chairs while Adobe surely and steadily passes them by.
I'm pretty sure this will kick Apple in the behind with regard to their software strategy, how much to get into still/web graphics, even if it's just Pages Pro or Fun House Pro.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ADBE
Adobe Market Cap = 14 billion
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=aapl
Apple Market Cap = 30 billion.
No way they spend half of their company to buy Adobe so you are correct there.
I'm afraid Adobe just checkmated Apple here. Apple's grip on the graphics market has just slipped even further as Adobe still has a love affair with the PC. Sad day if you ask me but we'll see how it plays out.
Originally posted by hmurchison
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ADBE
Adobe Market Cap = 14 billion
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=aapl
Apple Market Cap = 30 billion.
No way they spend half of their company to buy Adobe so you are correct there.
I'm afraid Adobe just checkmated Apple here. Apple's grip on the graphics market has just slipped even further as Adobe still has a love affair with the PC. Sad day if you ask me but we'll see how it plays out.
It's too early to say Adobe's checkmated Apple. Maybe in a month or two.
The question on my mind now is, "How quick will Uncle Steve react to this, and how?" I'm not sure what options Apple has are realistic ones.
My predictions: Dreamweaver lives, GoLive dies. Illustrator lives, Freehand dies. Fireworks dies; and optimization becomes a problem that will last for years (Photoshop can do it, but it's so hard, people won't bother). Flash lives, but Macromedia's ambitious plans for the future get scrapped. The big loser in all of this will be the Cold Fusion folks; since I cannot imagine Adobe having the time, energy or money to focus on server software.
The possibilities for mistakes are everywhere. The Macromedia community is particularly involved with itself; so if Adobe doesn't offer them the same benefits, disaffection will dominate. Everyone who loves a particular 'killed' program will be pissed; even if the new offerings might be technically better. It is important to remember that the learning curves on some of this software are huge; and people who see years of time and effort lost to Adobe's ambition will not be terribly forgiving.
Oddly, Apple and the smaller Mac development houses might benefit from all of this. It will take Adobe 2-5 years to create a software package that will be sufficiently interoperable to satisfy everybody. If you assume missteps along the way, the time frame could stretch out by a couple more years. This leaves a good chunk of years for Apple (& the other houses) to leverage the incredible Cocoa Core Image and Core Data APIs. They could create software that would leave the older Carbon applications seeming paltry by comparison. Since there will be a pervasive atmosphere of disaffection, Apple won't seem like a bully if it comes out with software that competes. It will look more like a savior.
Innovation is the key to success. While Adobe spends years simply attempting to make a package that satisfies the current needs of a hugely-divergent community, with malcontents on every side; I foresee that others developers will be able to carve out niches for themselves, including Apple.
Rest In Peace
Cold Fusion
1995-2005
~
Here Lies A Web Application Platform:
Before PHP
We were young ones
Starting out in the world of
Dynamic Webfangled Sites
No ASP for me!
One would cry
And CFML would answer
No Perl for me!
(I'm too lazy to figure it out)
And CFML would answer
I can do HTML!
And CFML would answer
You can do CFML too...
Then Microsoft
Had ASP and ASP.NET
Free with their
Windows servers
Gain momentum
Like Bill gained personal nett worth
And PHP and MySQL
Stormed out of the gates
And the anti-Gates crowd
Stormed out of the gates
And the
Intranet-in-a-box
Websites-in-a-box
Offerings flowed like
Pale sludge down a hillslope
After a storm
And paying a few thousand
For a Cold Fusion server license
Became a thing of the past
A hallmark of a dream borne
Of Allaire
Then Macromedia
And put to rest by Adobe
2005 will be the year
Cold Fusion starts to fade
From memory
Just like the
Bogus scientific phenomenon
It is named after
Faded away many years before
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Originally posted by dws
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Innovation is the key to success. While Adobe spends years simply attempting to make a package that satisfies the current needs of a hugely-divergent community, with malcontents on every side; I foresee that others developers will be able to carve out niches for themselves, including Apple.
For Apple to come out with a significant Pro Graphic/Web Design Suite of any sort within 1-2 years would be a major coup in the software industry. Remember that Shake and Logic were industry players Apple bought out... IIRC Final Cut, GarageBand, and Motion are predominantly developed in-house though.
Steve would truly be the iLord if he brings something out that rivals Adobe and Macromedia in the pro/design/corporate apps area.
Game on. But I honestly sympathise with longtime users of (x) application(s) that is/are gonna get axed by Adobe within 1-2 years.
Wow. What a f8cking flash in the pan the whole dot-com thing was. For a while it seemed like a whole new world, a whole new economy, a whole new lifestyle. But life goes on... *sniff*