I'll only buy a dual-core AMD based system. The Intel dual-Core system is inferior.
Shouldn't that read?:
I'll only buy a dual-core AMD based system, if Apple doesn't provide their own dual-core system in a timely manner. (Say, announced @ WWDC'05) The Intel dual-Core system is inferior, and Windows sucks ass!!!
Unfortunately, I think we've all been jinks?d by MOSR.....[..] Well they're claiming, "We continue to believe that a quad-processor Macintosh is imminent".
I think for the specs given by TS, this is a lame update, unless of course the PowerPC G5s are dual dual-core. That would be the only thing that would un-lame an update with those specs.
Will these dual core systems have one or two processors?
It seems to be a single processor;
I doubt will see a major upgrade to the Powermac until September. Just my hunch but years of being disappointed with Apples updates I?ve turned into a ?the cups half empty? guy.
Will these dual core systems have one or two processors?
One. Pentium 4s (like Athlon 64s) are not SMP capeable (you'll have to get the Server Version Xeon/Opteron for SMP)
But there will be a Pentium 4d - Extreme edition that has DualCore and SMT (aka Hyperthreading). that means 4 virtual cores (2 Cores with each 2 Virtual CPUs)
Some of you are doing your "annual" hand wringing and chicken little act.
The Intel Dual Core system is the worst of the bunch. You have two cores sitting right freakin' next to each other that still have to communicate over the FSB. That's because the Pentium was never designed to be a dual core system like the AMD and G5.
Very few windows apps are ready for DC and many benchmarks are showing that only encoding apps seem to be really responding. If an app isn't DC aware then you basically have the performance of just that single Proc.
Besides the bragging rights, what would be the difference from a Dual Processor system and a Single Processor Dual Core system?
I cant say for Intels Pentium-D, but the difference between one Dual Core AMD Opteron and 2 Single Cores is the memory interface. Opterons (And Athlons) have the memory controller in the CPU so 2 CPUs => 2 Memory Controllers => each CPU has its own RAM
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Doesn't it basically mean that PC users will be getting DP-like systems now?
yep, Intels Pentium-D is shipping now (well starts to ship now) and AMD will start with the Server Version then Mobile and Desktop being the last one
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How many apps will even utilize the second core? [/B]
on the PC front? not a lot... most Stuff is still single Threaded, even with a SMT Pentium 4 (like a DualCore light) available for 2+ Years or so.
But i think most Games will be Multi Threaded because they will be released on Playstation3, Xbox2 and PC (like now) and the first two are Multi-CPU solutions
So I can buy the (crappy P4_DC) AlienBox for $3463 roughly speced (except for PCI-E) like the Dual 2.5 G5 for $3499. So you could get a dual P4 3.2 that shares a single 800Mhz FSB, or a Dual 2.5 G5 which has independent 1.25Ghz FSBs. And someone here thinks this dual core announcement (still not shipping, min delay of 27 days...) is something spectacular?
It took a 3.2P4-DC to get back into the performance throughput footprint of a dual G5. This is no leap ahead, it's back to no clear leader, change serve.
but the difference between one Dual Core AMD Opteron and 2 Single Cores is the memory interface. Opterons (And Athlons) have the memory controller in the CPU so 2 CPUs => 2 Memory Controllers => each CPU has its own RAM
Judging from the graphic above the Dual-Core Athlon/Opterons will share a memory controller via the crossbar connect. Which is fine as there will be more inter-core communication in AMD systems than the Pentium D systems.
As for Alienware systems. They are for fools. If you're going to bet a PC you might as well build it. Every damn component aside from the Case is available at any PC store. I will hand it to Alienware...they market their product well. You have the PC guy cheesin about his PC and calling Macs expensive after he's just dropped $3k on an Alienware box. Hmmmmm
There is no way Apple is announcing new hardware at NAB.. First off I know we are all clinging to this hope of this press conference tomorrow at NAB.. I was with all of you kinda.. Until I saw the time its scheduled for. 6:00pm????
There is no way Apple releases new hardware at 6pm after everyone has gone home on Wall Street and add to that the fact that they will have wasted 3 full days at NAB where they could have displayed this new hardware to buyers? Not a chance.
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Originally posted by hmurchison
I'll only buy a dual-core AMD based system. The Intel dual-Core system is inferior.
Shouldn't that read?:
I'll only buy a dual-core AMD based system, if Apple doesn't provide their own dual-core system in a timely manner. (Say, announced @ WWDC'05) The Intel dual-Core system is inferior, and Windows sucks ass!!!
There, that's better...
Originally posted by FireDancer
Unfortunately, I think we've all been jinks?d by MOSR.....[..] Well they're claiming, "We continue to believe that a quad-processor Macintosh is imminent".
I've read that at MOSR since 1997.
IF... you could get free open source ProTools 64 HD for LINUX
Logic 7 for LINUX, Final Cut HD Studio for LINUX and everyting else
OSX offers in LINUX.
So I guess I'm still waiting.
Originally posted by Sam Damon
Let's just start the "Perpetual Quad-core PowerMac Speculation" thread, and be done with it.
And a class action suite for large scale nervous breakdowns, general depression and post traumatic stress disorders brought on by
Apple's Secrecy.
Originally posted by FallenFromTheTree
I didn't honestly expect to see a NEW PowerMac until WWDC
but seeing this today would anger and frustrate even the most
loyal Apple user.
We can speculate all we want and try to make some sense of why
Apple does what they do sometimes,
but right now, I feel SO totally let down by Apple.
http://www.alienware.com/intro_pages/intel_955x.aspx
Will these dual core systems have one or two processors?
Originally posted by JLL
Will these dual core systems have one or two processors?
Does that really matter when we are smoked with a single core system anyway..
Originally posted by JLL
Will these dual core systems have one or two processors?
It seems to be a single processor;
I doubt will see a major upgrade to the Powermac until September. Just my hunch but years of being disappointed with Apples updates I?ve turned into a ?the cups half empty? guy.
Originally posted by JLL
Will these dual core systems have one or two processors?
One. Pentium 4s (like Athlon 64s) are not SMP capeable (you'll have to get the Server Version Xeon/Opteron for SMP)
But there will be a Pentium 4d - Extreme edition that has DualCore and SMT (aka Hyperthreading). that means 4 virtual cores (2 Cores with each 2 Virtual CPUs)
Originally posted by mat79
One. Pentium 4s (like Athlon 64s) are not SMP capeable (you'll have to get the Server Version Xeon/Opteron for SMP)
Besides the bragging rights, what would be the difference from a Dual Processor system and a Single Processor Dual Core system?
Doesn't it basically mean that PC users will be getting DP-like systems now? How many apps will even utilize the second core?
Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch
Does that really matter when we are smoked with a single core system anyway..
Certainly depends on the situation (app).
Some of you are doing your "annual" hand wringing and chicken little act.
The Intel Dual Core system is the worst of the bunch. You have two cores sitting right freakin' next to each other that still have to communicate over the FSB. That's because the Pentium was never designed to be a dual core system like the AMD and G5.
Very few windows apps are ready for DC and many benchmarks are showing that only encoding apps seem to be really responding. If an app isn't DC aware then you basically have the performance of just that single Proc.
Originally posted by JLL
Besides the bragging rights, what would be the difference from a Dual Processor system and a Single Processor Dual Core system?
I cant say for Intels Pentium-D, but the difference between one Dual Core AMD Opteron and 2 Single Cores is the memory interface. Opterons (And Athlons) have the memory controller in the CPU so 2 CPUs => 2 Memory Controllers => each CPU has its own RAM
Doesn't it basically mean that PC users will be getting DP-like systems now?
yep, Intels Pentium-D is shipping now (well starts to ship now) and AMD will start with the Server Version then Mobile and Desktop being the last one
How many apps will even utilize the second core? [/B]
on the PC front? not a lot... most Stuff is still single Threaded, even with a SMT Pentium 4 (like a DualCore light) available for 2+ Years or so.
But i think most Games will be Multi Threaded because they will be released on Playstation3, Xbox2 and PC (like now) and the first two are Multi-CPU solutions
Originally posted by FallenFromTheTree
http://www.alienware.com/intro_pages/intel_955x.aspx [/B]
That looks like a gigantic plastic jockstrap.
Originally posted by FallenFromTheTree
I didn't honestly expect to see a NEW PowerMac until WWDC
but seeing this today would anger and frustrate even the most
loyal Apple user.
We can speculate all we want and try to make some sense of why
Apple does what they do sometimes,
but right now, I feel SO totally let down by Apple.
http://www.alienware.com/intro_pages/intel_955x.aspx
So I can buy the (crappy P4_DC) AlienBox for $3463 roughly speced (except for PCI-E) like the Dual 2.5 G5 for $3499. So you could get a dual P4 3.2 that shares a single 800Mhz FSB, or a Dual 2.5 G5 which has independent 1.25Ghz FSBs. And someone here thinks this dual core announcement (still not shipping, min delay of 27 days...) is something spectacular?
It took a 3.2P4-DC to get back into the performance throughput footprint of a dual G5. This is no leap ahead, it's back to no clear leader, change serve.
but the difference between one Dual Core AMD Opteron and 2 Single Cores is the memory interface. Opterons (And Athlons) have the memory controller in the CPU so 2 CPUs => 2 Memory Controllers => each CPU has its own RAM
Judging from the graphic above the Dual-Core Athlon/Opterons will share a memory controller via the crossbar connect. Which is fine as there will be more inter-core communication in AMD systems than the Pentium D systems.
As for Alienware systems. They are for fools. If you're going to bet a PC you might as well build it. Every damn component aside from the Case is available at any PC store. I will hand it to Alienware...they market their product well. You have the PC guy cheesin about his PC and calling Macs expensive after he's just dropped $3k on an Alienware box. Hmmmmm
There is no way Apple releases new hardware at 6pm after everyone has gone home on Wall Street and add to that the fact that they will have wasted 3 full days at NAB where they could have displayed this new hardware to buyers? Not a chance.
offer the kind of BTO options that I wish we could order for our Macs.
and of course now they offer the first dual core desktop.
I'm sure Apple will delight us with their innovation eventually......