After seeing the powermac hiccup i think at best you will see a imac 2.0 and 9600. At worst would be more 1.8 and 9600 along with Tiger. Anyways neither machine advances much after a year. Hard to get excited about bumps that couldnt be smaller. fx5200-9600 is almost nil difference, a 200mhz bump on the 1.8 is nice but numbers wont show much. Again Apple should build a machine the consumer can configure.
I think the low end Powermacs are on par with the Imac and give consumers expandibility.
Since a lot of consumers don't really expand, the ones that do can take the plunge with a PM 1.8 or 2.0.
After my trip to the University Village Apple store and subsequent tests on the iMac 1.8Ghz I definitely see that the iMacs need to go dual processor as soon as its affordable. The iMac with 512MB struggled on the HD video. At this point I'd take two 1.6Ghz chips rather than one 2Ghz.
At this point I'd take two 1.6Ghz chips rather than one 2Ghz.
Absolutely, but Apple won't go there because such a move would further eat into their margins on the low-end PowerMac. I'd love to see it, though. As you say, for HD it's a must.
After my trip to the University Village Apple store and subsequent tests on the iMac 1.8Ghz I definitely see that the iMacs need to go dual processor as soon as its affordable. The iMac with 512MB struggled on the HD video. At this point I'd take two 1.6Ghz chips rather than one 2Ghz.
So at this point you'd recommend a 2.0 Ghz DP Powermac over a 20" Imac G5.
I am in the market for a new mac (first one) and that is where my decision lies right now. I don't do much expanding or video work however I am used to towers. However the design of the iMac is great (with its accompanying problems).
So at this point you'd recommend a 2.0 Ghz DP Powermac over a 20" Imac G5.
I am in the market for a new mac (first one) and that is where my decision lies right now. I don't do much expanding or video work however I am used to towers. However the design of the iMac is great (with its accompanying problems).
It is a tough choice though.
Yes it is a tough choice. I myself will likely still go with a n iMac G5 either this fall or early 2006(ugggh so far away). I'm not overly concerned about how well the iMac plays back HD content yet. I'm sure it'll be better with 1GB of RAM which is the minimum i'd have
I'd don't expect the iMac to move to dual-core until at least two revisions from know. Once the heat is under check and cost down. So i'm talking at least a year and more like 18 months.
After my trip to the University Village Apple store and subsequent tests on the iMac 1.8Ghz I definitely see that the iMacs need to go dual processor as soon as its affordable.
I suppose you mean dual core . Given that Apple "waited" for the 970FX chip to let the iMac go G5, I would not expect a dual core G5 in a model with a display less than 23".
You cannot take the low end tower as the limiter for the high-end iMac. Apple generally doesn't want customers in that price bracket buying their towers anyway. It's part and parcel of the basic assumptions underpinning AIO machines:
"You're cheap, you're dumb -- we don't want you opening up the machine and calling us with suspect warrantee claims."
If you have 1499-1999 to burn, Apple wants you to get an iMac, even for pro use. They give you the monitor, and take away most of your ability to mess up their machine."
Expect a 23" iMac eventually. Wouldn't be out of the question for the iMac to have more storage, a better optical, a faster CPU, and a better GPU than the base SP tower. That way, bargain hunters look at the iMac thus, "Do you really want expansion?" Any pro who forgoes the extras because they actually need the expansion is, therefore, less likely to mess it up. Those who don't absolutely need it (consumer or pro) are more likely to be swayed by the 'extras' on offer in the iMac.
AIO problems notwithstanding, that's the way Apple approaches this price segment.
If you have 1499-1999 to burn, Apple wants you to get an iMac, even for pro use. They give you the monitor, and take away most of your ability to mess up their machine."
well, they actually do want you to mess with your machine... more or less.
i opened up mine today, again, to show a friend how easy it is to get inside your iMac.
love it.
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AIO problems notwithstanding
do you mean the GPU? or is there something else that you consider a problem with the iMacG5?
Headless moderately expandable/upgradable machines have the advantage of easier repair/modification if/when something goes wrong -- if you're a reasonably intelligent owner. Swapping ou a part can be a lot easier, as can adding updated I/O (best use for cards, AFAIC) However, even I have to admit that Apple has done an admirable job with user servicable internals on the iMac G5, at least for an AIO. No real 'expansion' or upgradability though.
The other problem is the cost of gluing a very expensive display to a computer. This problem will diminish as large panels continue their pricing freefall, but even they will only fall so far. When we're buying 23" LCD displays for $300, then it may not be so bad -- tossing the display with the computer every time you upgrade.
This last bit, I wonder. There's a real chance that the iMac could lose its head when it gets its next redesign. I fully expect this design to last at least another 2-3 years, but if the mini continues to be a steady sales leader 'till then, especially among converts, I imagine Apple will take a very serious look at a headless iMac design -- with complimentary, but seperate, consumer displays...
I was by the Apple store in Soho tonight just before they closed and saw that they were setting up a new window display. It featured 4 iMacs mounted in a horizontal row on a white plastic surface with the phrase "It all adds up" (or something close to that).
A new iMac window display seems to suggest new iMacs will finally come tomorrow. Anybody else see this?
I was by the Apple store in Soho tonight just before they closed and saw that they were setting up a new window display. It featured 4 iMacs mounted in a horizontal row on a white plastic surface with the phrase "It all adds up" (or something close to that).
A new iMac window display seems to suggest new iMacs will finally come tomorrow. Anybody else see this?
I was by the Apple store in Soho tonight just before they closed and saw that they were setting up a new window display. It featured 4 iMacs mounted in a horizontal row on a white plastic surface with the phrase "It all adds up" (or something close to that).
A new iMac window display seems to suggest new iMacs will finally come tomorrow. Anybody else see this?
I don't think the window display means anything. I was at the Chestnut Hill Mall in Newton, MA on Friday for the Tiger Launch, and I saw this display in their window too.
In fact, here is a pic from the Chestnut Hill mall on launch day. The Ad in question is on the right. Btw, I also saw another launch-day pic that had this same Ad, but I couldn't find it.
OK, the new iMacs have been announced and I was REALLY close on the specs. I missed the price which is $100 lower, the HD size which is 250GB for the 20", and the optical is 8x DL instead of my hoped for 16x but the rest was right.
Also, Apple added gigabit Ethernet. Good job, Apple! All in all, this is a very nice upgrade!
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Originally posted by Aurora
After seeing the powermac hiccup i think at best you will see a imac 2.0 and 9600. At worst would be more 1.8 and 9600 along with Tiger. Anyways neither machine advances much after a year. Hard to get excited about bumps that couldnt be smaller. fx5200-9600 is almost nil difference, a 200mhz bump on the 1.8 is nice but numbers wont show much. Again Apple should build a machine the consumer can configure.
I think the low end Powermacs are on par with the Imac and give consumers expandibility.
Since a lot of consumers don't really expand, the ones that do can take the plunge with a PM 1.8 or 2.0.
At this point I'd take two 1.6Ghz chips rather than one 2Ghz.
Absolutely, but Apple won't go there because such a move would further eat into their margins on the low-end PowerMac. I'd love to see it, though. As you say, for HD it's a must.
Originally posted by hmurchison
After my trip to the University Village Apple store and subsequent tests on the iMac 1.8Ghz I definitely see that the iMacs need to go dual processor as soon as its affordable. The iMac with 512MB struggled on the HD video. At this point I'd take two 1.6Ghz chips rather than one 2Ghz.
So at this point you'd recommend a 2.0 Ghz DP Powermac over a 20" Imac G5.
I am in the market for a new mac (first one) and that is where my decision lies right now. I don't do much expanding or video work however I am used to towers. However the design of the iMac is great (with its accompanying problems).
It is a tough choice though.
Originally posted by yvovandoorn
So at this point you'd recommend a 2.0 Ghz DP Powermac over a 20" Imac G5.
I am in the market for a new mac (first one) and that is where my decision lies right now. I don't do much expanding or video work however I am used to towers. However the design of the iMac is great (with its accompanying problems).
It is a tough choice though.
Yes it is a tough choice. I myself will likely still go with a n iMac G5 either this fall or early 2006(ugggh so far away). I'm not overly concerned about how well the iMac plays back HD content yet. I'm sure it'll be better with 1GB of RAM which is the minimum i'd have
I'd don't expect the iMac to move to dual-core until at least two revisions from know. Once the heat is under check and cost down. So i'm talking at least a year and more like 18 months.
Originally posted by hmurchison
After my trip to the University Village Apple store and subsequent tests on the iMac 1.8Ghz I definitely see that the iMacs need to go dual processor as soon as its affordable.
I suppose you mean dual core
Originally posted by Rolo
Let's see how close I can come to predicting the specs of the new iMacs I expect to see in early May:
20-inch : 2GHz
$1,899.00
20-inch widescreen LCD
2GHz PowerPC G5
512K L2 cache
667MHz frontside bus
512MB DDR400 SDRAM
ATI Radeon 9600
128MB DDR video memory
160GB Serial ATA hard drive
16x slot-load SuperDrive (double-layer)
This is only a guess/wishful thinking. Maybe Tuesday? Wednesday?
Given the display price drops I think Apple could do those specs and a lower price as well. (I said they *could*, not that they *will*
Originally posted by Rolo
Let's see how close I can come to predicting the specs of the new iMacs I expect to see in early May:
20-inch : 2GHz
$1,899.00
20-inch widescreen LCD
2GHz PowerPC G5
512K L2 cache
667MHz frontside bus
512MB DDR400 SDRAM
ATI Radeon 9600
128MB DDR video memory
160GB Serial ATA hard drive
16x slot-load SuperDrive (double-layer)
This is only a guess/wishful thinking. Maybe Tuesday? Wednesday?
Looks like a good prediction Rolo except for the frontside bus - that will be 1Ghz.
Berthos.
Originally posted by Berthos
Looks like a good prediction Rolo except for the frontside bus - that will be 1Ghz.
Berthos.
Well, not necessarily, like the current iMacs it might be a 1/3rd of the CPU speed, as opposed to the 1/2 that is present in the powermacs.
Originally posted by Wrong Robot
Well, not necessarily, like the current iMacs it might be a 1/3rd of the CPU speed, as opposed to the 1/2 that is present in the powermacs.
Just my guess/dream too of course!
"You're cheap, you're dumb -- we don't want you opening up the machine and calling us with suspect warrantee claims."
If you have 1499-1999 to burn, Apple wants you to get an iMac, even for pro use. They give you the monitor, and take away most of your ability to mess up their machine."
Expect a 23" iMac eventually. Wouldn't be out of the question for the iMac to have more storage, a better optical, a faster CPU, and a better GPU than the base SP tower. That way, bargain hunters look at the iMac thus, "Do you really want expansion?" Any pro who forgoes the extras because they actually need the expansion is, therefore, less likely to mess it up. Those who don't absolutely need it (consumer or pro) are more likely to be swayed by the 'extras' on offer in the iMac.
AIO problems notwithstanding, that's the way Apple approaches this price segment.
AIO problems notwithstanding
Originally posted by Matsu
If you have 1499-1999 to burn, Apple wants you to get an iMac, even for pro use. They give you the monitor, and take away most of your ability to mess up their machine."
well, they actually do want you to mess with your machine... more or less.
i opened up mine today, again, to show a friend how easy it is to get inside your iMac.
love it.
AIO problems notwithstanding
do you mean the GPU? or is there something else that you consider a problem with the iMacG5?
The other problem is the cost of gluing a very expensive display to a computer. This problem will diminish as large panels continue their pricing freefall, but even they will only fall so far. When we're buying 23" LCD displays for $300, then it may not be so bad -- tossing the display with the computer every time you upgrade.
This last bit, I wonder. There's a real chance that the iMac could lose its head when it gets its next redesign. I fully expect this design to last at least another 2-3 years, but if the mini continues to be a steady sales leader 'till then, especially among converts, I imagine Apple will take a very serious look at a headless iMac design -- with complimentary, but seperate, consumer displays...
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I was by the Apple store in Soho tonight just before they closed and saw that they were setting up a new window display. It featured 4 iMacs mounted in a horizontal row on a white plastic surface with the phrase "It all adds up" (or something close to that).
A new iMac window display seems to suggest new iMacs will finally come tomorrow. Anybody else see this?
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Sound good people
Fitzy
Originally posted by Fitzy55
I found this on macnn
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I was by the Apple store in Soho tonight just before they closed and saw that they were setting up a new window display. It featured 4 iMacs mounted in a horizontal row on a white plastic surface with the phrase "It all adds up" (or something close to that).
A new iMac window display seems to suggest new iMacs will finally come tomorrow. Anybody else see this?
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Sound good people
Fitzy
I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy
Originally posted by Fitzy55
I found this on macnn
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I was by the Apple store in Soho tonight just before they closed and saw that they were setting up a new window display. It featured 4 iMacs mounted in a horizontal row on a white plastic surface with the phrase "It all adds up" (or something close to that).
A new iMac window display seems to suggest new iMacs will finally come tomorrow. Anybody else see this?
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Sound good people
Fitzy
4?
17", 17". 20" & 23"?
i hope it is a 23 inch
Here the link if you want to check it out.
http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=254569
Fitzy
Also, Apple added gigabit Ethernet. Good job, Apple! All in all, this is a very nice upgrade!