I'm a bit suspicious. Powermacs have traditionally been made at Apple's Elk Grove plant in the US. Not sure why they would switch to Taiwan. And if they did, what would the Elk Grove plant be used for with all the other lines already outsourced in taiwan?
<strong>I'm a bit suspicious. Powermacs have traditionally been made at Apple's Elk Grove plant in the US. Not sure why they would switch to Taiwan. And if they did, what would the Elk Grove plant be used for with all the other lines already outsourced in taiwan?</strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>I'm a bit suspicious. Powermacs have traditionally been made at Apple's Elk Grove plant in the US. Not sure why they would switch to Taiwan. And if they did, what would the Elk Grove plant be used for with all the other lines already outsourced in taiwan?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Going out on a limb here...
I thought that they did the final assembly in Elk Grove. If so, outsourcing MB overseas would be a none issue.
<strong>The motherboard for the Powermac machine is way longer and narrower than the current one. That gives us an idea of the shape of the next Powermac case."</strong><hr></blockquote>
But maybe truish (not the 20" part but the PowerBook part). Why would we need a longer motherboard for a tower? We may have missed the Tower motherboard RFP altogether and in fact be looking at the Xserve or PowerBook MB RFP. (or we may be looking at an untrue rumor as well.)
If you are correct about a new Workstation being the only machine with a 970 this year, then the folks at Apple have clearly lost all touch with the real world. I can imagine them saying "we now have a competitively performing machine to Wintel and it's not twice the price, but four times the price - the new Macintosh Workstation."
I have to believe you are wrong about the timing of a 970 in the PowerMac.
If you are correct about a new Workstation being the only machine with a 970 this year, then the folks at Apple have clearly lost all touch with the real world. I can imagine them saying "we now have a competitively performing machine to Wintel and it's not twice the price, but four times the price - the new Macintosh Workstation."
I have to believe you are wrong about the timing of a 970 in the PowerMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And no one is going to buy Powermacs, since they know that the 970 is comming.
If 970 performance dropped into the current PM prices tomorrow it be barely acceptable, in three to six months it'd already tread in the too high category, if they make their desktop macs any more expensive, regardless of the performance, then they've clearly lost it.
How long did it take to put a G4 in the Powerbooks?
How long did it take to put DDR-RAM in Macs?
And they don't even support it yet.
Again, it's not Apple's fault the G4's don't support DDR speeds. moto, moto, moto... And Apple put the G4 in the Powerbooks when the G4's were ready for it (cold enough).
I thought that they did the final assembly in Elk Grove. If so, outsourcing MB overseas would be a none issue.
If not, well,
That's precisely what they do. I don't know of any OEM that commonly uses motherboards made outside Asia. They exist, sure. Siemens makes motherboards in Germany for example... Not even Intel manufactures its boards domestically anymore.
If 970 performance dropped into the current PM prices tomorrow it be barely acceptable, in three to six months it'd already tread in the too high category, if they make their desktop macs any more expensive, regardless of the performance, then they've clearly lost it.
If Fred Anderson's comments regarding the 'power'Mac issue are to read into, I think it would be possible that the next tower update will come with both 970s and a more aggressive price cut. Apple seem to be aware of the mhz and performance problem and the undeniable impact it has had on their tower sales.
Hopefully it will be addressed sooner rather than later...
Playing catch up and hoiking up prices will not wash.
Lemon Bon Bon
PS. I don't like the new icons as much. Some of them seem a bit squished/funny. But overall, quite a nice gleam to appleinsider's new look. Kudos to those who put in the hard work. Generally, much brighter, cleaner and better organised.
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That wasn't Apple's fault.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And it's certainly not a flop!
<strong>These are the new Workstation mainboards (xStation)
The PPC 970 will hit the Power Mac in the summer of 2004
Ranting, trollin' og facts?
<strong>I'm a bit suspicious. Powermacs have traditionally been made at Apple's Elk Grove plant in the US. Not sure why they would switch to Taiwan. And if they did, what would the Elk Grove plant be used for with all the other lines already outsourced in taiwan?</strong><hr></blockquote>
it will be sold and the profits will go to jobs
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it will sit there secretly pumping out iPhones
<strong>I'm a bit suspicious. Powermacs have traditionally been made at Apple's Elk Grove plant in the US. Not sure why they would switch to Taiwan. And if they did, what would the Elk Grove plant be used for with all the other lines already outsourced in taiwan?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Going out on a limb here...
I thought that they did the final assembly in Elk Grove. If so, outsourcing MB overseas would be a none issue.
If not, well,
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Ranting, trollin' og facts?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Facts, i know somebody, how is nearly to Apple ... (not USA). These Apple guys told him, that a Apple workstation will arrive in summer 2003.
Previewsly, he found hints (PPC970) on Apples own HP, i don't know where but i think somewhere on the ADC pages?!
I hope i am wrong, i'm waiting for Power Macs G5 since 2002 (Thanx TheReg).
<strong>The motherboard for the Powermac machine is way longer and narrower than the current one. That gives us an idea of the shape of the next Powermac case."</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's because it's not for a desktop machine.
Say hello to the 20" PowerBook.
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That's because it's not for a desktop machine.
Say hello to the 20" PowerBook.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> Funny.
But maybe truish (not the 20" part but the PowerBook part). Why would we need a longer motherboard for a tower? We may have missed the Tower motherboard RFP altogether and in fact be looking at the Xserve or PowerBook MB RFP. (or we may be looking at an untrue rumor as well.)
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Facts, i know somebody, how is nearly to Apple ... (not USA). These Apple guys told him, that a Apple workstation will arrive in summer 2003.
Previewsly, he found hints (PPC970) on Apples own HP, i don't know where but i think somewhere on the ADC pages?!
I hope i am wrong, i'm waiting for Power Macs G5 since 2002 (Thanx TheReg).</strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]Originally posted by Fat Freddy:
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These are the new Workstation mainboards (xStation)
The PPC 970 will hit the Power Mac in the summer of 2004
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Which one is it? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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Which one is it? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
The Apple Workstation!
The summer 2004 Power Mac are my thoughts only
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The Apple Workstation!
The summer 2004 Power Mac are my thoughts only
[ 03-17-2003: Message edited by: Fat Freddy ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you are correct about a new Workstation being the only machine with a 970 this year, then the folks at Apple have clearly lost all touch with the real world. I can imagine them saying "we now have a competitively performing machine to Wintel and it's not twice the price, but four times the price - the new Macintosh Workstation."
I have to believe you are wrong about the timing of a 970 in the PowerMac.
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If you are correct about a new Workstation being the only machine with a 970 this year, then the folks at Apple have clearly lost all touch with the real world. I can imagine them saying "we now have a competitively performing machine to Wintel and it's not twice the price, but four times the price - the new Macintosh Workstation."
I have to believe you are wrong about the timing of a 970 in the PowerMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And no one is going to buy Powermacs, since they know that the 970 is comming.
I agree with you.
How long did it take to put a G4 in the Powerbooks?
How long did it take to put DDR-RAM in Macs?
And they don't even support it yet.
Apple will put Dual G4s in the Power Macs + price cuts and the PPC970 in the workstation.
I hope you are right and i'm wrong. I want a Power Mac Dual PPC970 2GHz and i want it now!
Originally posted by Fat Freddy
Don't foget, we talk about Apple!
How long did it take to put a G4 in the Powerbooks?
How long did it take to put DDR-RAM in Macs?
And they don't even support it yet.
Again, it's not Apple's fault the G4's don't support DDR speeds. moto, moto, moto... And Apple put the G4 in the Powerbooks when the G4's were ready for it (cold enough).
Originally posted by Transcendental Octothorpe
Going out on a limb here...
I thought that they did the final assembly in Elk Grove. If so, outsourcing MB overseas would be a none issue.
If not, well,
That's precisely what they do. I don't know of any OEM that commonly uses motherboards made outside Asia. They exist, sure. Siemens makes motherboards in Germany for example... Not even Intel manufactures its boards domestically anymore.
If 970 performance dropped into the current PM prices tomorrow it be barely acceptable, in three to six months it'd already tread in the too high category, if they make their desktop macs any more expensive, regardless of the performance, then they've clearly lost it.
If Fred Anderson's comments regarding the 'power'Mac issue are to read into, I think it would be possible that the next tower update will come with both 970s and a more aggressive price cut. Apple seem to be aware of the mhz and performance problem and the undeniable impact it has had on their tower sales.
Hopefully it will be addressed sooner rather than later...
Playing catch up and hoiking up prices will not wash.
Lemon Bon Bon
PS. I don't like the new icons as much. Some of them seem a bit squished/funny. But overall, quite a nice gleam to appleinsider's new look. Kudos to those who put in the hard work. Generally, much brighter, cleaner and better organised.