Nvidia GForce2 MX and Geforce 3?
I only og the Geforce 2MX with my 867 - has anyone got the Geforce 3 and can y9ou compare it to the 2 ?? is it worth the extra bucks ?
Also I still only have the 128 ragepro on my Dual 500, - the new Pc ATI 8500 is AGP2/4 usable (unlike the Geforce 3 which is only AGP4). Does anyone know if ATI have something like it for MAC coming.... the All inwonder model especially would be great for AV stuff.
Anyone ?
Cheers
adam
Also I still only have the 128 ragepro on my Dual 500, - the new Pc ATI 8500 is AGP2/4 usable (unlike the Geforce 3 which is only AGP4). Does anyone know if ATI have something like it for MAC coming.... the All inwonder model especially would be great for AV stuff.
Anyone ?
Cheers
adam
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<strong>A Radeon 32MB DDR AGP or if you're the dangerous type, a Voodoo 5 5500.
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Just to let you know, DONT get a voodoo 5500, I have one, OK its PCI in a g4 400, (do they do AGP?) and its crap even in OS9 with the right drivers. In OSX its even worse, it will run, but there are no drivers for it, so it runs very slowly. I don't know about dangerous, maybe stoopid!
The other reason I would venture to guess is that OS 9 rarely took advantage of my 2nd processor, so perhaps the CPU was the bottleneck, not the graphics card. In OS X, most everything uses the 2nd CPU, so now the card is the bottleneck, not the CPU.
All I know is that in Giants (OS X 10.1.1, of course) my Radeon gets me 15-25 fps at 1280 x 1024 and my Rage Pro gets me 2-5 fps at 800 x 600. Both of these are the AGP cards (I never tested my PCI Rage Pro, just the AGP one), and except for the resolution, all settings were the same.
In the Return to Castle Wolfenstein test (both the 1st and the 2nd), I get from 40 to 80 fps at 1280 x 1024 with mostly maxed settings on the Radeon. Keep in mind that the tests do not support multiple processors, I have to manually turn it off. I expect this game to absolutely cruise when it hits the shelves.
All in all, I'm very happy with the Radeon. It also beats out the GF2 in most tasks. Check <a href="http://www.innermac.com" target="_blank">http://www.innermac.com</a> for a very thorough review of the two cards. Don't believe that crap at CNET either... their review of the two cards was mostly bull.
Sidenote: I sure wish innermac (intentionally spelled all lower-case) would update their site with new content. They really do a good job on the stuff that they have done so far. Very objective and quantitative analysis of the subject matter.
-Ender
any clues ?
Cheers
Strider
GeForce 2mx would become standard on the iMacs.
We'll finally have gaming Macs at 'reasonable' prices.
A recent article at <a href="http://www.macgamer.com" target="_blank">http://www.macgamer.com</a> is an interview with an ATi representative (I forgot who...). They state in the article that the 8500 will come to Mac, they just aren't sure when. Typical, I suppose, but it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.
NeoMac: I agree that GF3s on PowerMacs would rule, however I'd rather see the Radeon 32 MB DDR in the iMacs. If you read the review I posted, I think you will agree. TwinView (monitor spanning) would be quite nice too... but I doubt that Steve will allow it in the iXxx series for quite some time.
Oh, and I kind of feel sorry for the buggers... No race deserves that kind of treatment, human or otherwise. [Sorry to all of you who have no clue what I'm talking about.]
Thanks for the link - I think i just might wait and see what ATI comes up with for the 8500...... nd for once wouldnt it be nice if Mac could get the All-in-wonder version too !1
Cheers
adam
<strong>GeForce 3 as a standard part on all new PowerMacs would be sweet.
GeForce 2mx would become standard on the iMacs.
We'll finally have gaming Macs at 'reasonable' prices.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Geforce 3 are too expansive to become standart in the powermac line, they still be an option. Most photoshop user's have nothing to do better with a geforce 3 unstead a geforce 2 mx.
Especially important to have the Radeon rather than the GF2 for 2D tasks like Photoshop and scrolling through large documents.
Of course, the GF3 really kicks everything else's ass at the moment, even 2D. As tested by the wonderful folks at innermac, using the Porformance 3 as a baseline of 100%, the GF2 scored a 183%, the Radeon a 299%, and the GF3 a 365%.
Hrm... seems that Photoshop users DO have a reason to own a GF3. But definitely NOT a GF2. As for cost, I picked up an OEM Radeon 32 MB DDR from MacMall or MacConnection or somewhere like that for $170. This is the one with ADC. Pretty cheap.
-Ender
AHHH!
Even on the PC side, I wouldn't go with a GF3 Ti 200.
-Ender
<strong>I have a G4 733 quicksilver with a geforce 3. I must say I'm impressed. In OS X when I play Elite Force I get around 70-100fps. That's at 1024-768 with 32bit and everything on. I can have alot of action going on and still get a solid 60fps. I love this card and I would definately recomend it to anyone who has a computer that can use it.
Strider</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have the same setup, except I started with the stock Geforce2MX and just upgraded to the Geforce3. Unfortunately, in RtCW I am NOT seeing any difference what-so-ever!!! Did your system come with the 2MX and you upgraded so that you had something to compare your numbers to? Or did you BTO yours, and hence, have no comparison base?
Even on the PC side, I wouldn't go with a GF3 Ti 200.
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I know this is old, but I have to completely disagree with you here. The GF2 is a completely different card, it CANNOT beat the GeForce 3 except MAYBE the GF2 Ultra at lower resolutions.
<a href="http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/01q4/011218/geforce-ti-23.html" target="_blank">Link</a>
<a href="http://users.erols.com/chare/video.htm" target="_blank">Link</a>
The GeForce 2 does not support DirectX 8 functions like Vertex Shaders etc, and almost all GeForce 3 Ti 200s can be overclocked not only to GeForce 3 speeds, but Ti 500 speeds and beyond. The GF3 Ti 200 is one of the best value DirectX 8 cards considering it is amazing cheap and a great overclocker (go Gainward for Ti 500 speeds).