Tabbed Finder?
Just a thought...
I've gotten so used to using tabbed browsing in Safari why not bring the same concept to the Finder?
Set it up the same way as a web browser works. Click a file (link) and it opens to that window (or double click if not in column view). Command click and it opens in a tabbed window. Drag a file over a tab and it switches to that window.
My thought is I often have two projects going at the same time. Then something quick and simple comes in and I need to do it now. Under the current situation I might have 4-6 windows open for the two normal projects I'm already working on (plus all the apps, etc.). Then I have to open two or more windows for the extra project.
With a tabbed Finder I could have THREE. One window for each project with multiple tabs.
Thoughts?
I've gotten so used to using tabbed browsing in Safari why not bring the same concept to the Finder?
Set it up the same way as a web browser works. Click a file (link) and it opens to that window (or double click if not in column view). Command click and it opens in a tabbed window. Drag a file over a tab and it switches to that window.
My thought is I often have two projects going at the same time. Then something quick and simple comes in and I need to do it now. Under the current situation I might have 4-6 windows open for the two normal projects I'm already working on (plus all the apps, etc.). Then I have to open two or more windows for the extra project.
With a tabbed Finder I could have THREE. One window for each project with multiple tabs.
Thoughts?
Comments
I dig the new GNOME 2.12 Nautilus concept. It's sort of a copy of Finder + a copy of Explorer (in Vista) plus some GNOME concepts. I think it works fine too.
Voila. Tabbed Finder.
Still not as useful as the Shelf. \
http://www.cocoatech.com/news/archiv...4/28/index.php
Windows still looks and feels as ugly as ever. I wonder if M$ ever considers that their users actually might have to spend their whole day glaring at that ugly interface
Either way, it is horrible, Vista or not. \
But then I have to go manually remove them again when I'm done. I want something that with one click is there, then 5 minutes later is automatically gone (when I close that whole window).
delete,
That looks like it is basically what I'm after. I like that there are other developers doing this, I'd just like to see something like it from Apple. As great as everyone says Spotlight is I just haven't found myself using it much so they better not be trying to replace the Finder just yet.
Which we don't have.
But whatever.
Originally posted by Kickaha
I still maintain that tabs are only a workaround for a weak window management system.
Which we don't have.
But whatever.
In my opinion, this kicks Expose's ass. Expose has too much shit going on, I have to recognize my screen, move over to it, select it, then click again to drop. This is all there, right in front of you.
Unless you were referring to something else...
--B
Tabs came about on systems that didn't offer intelligent window management, so they needed *some* way of offering easy access to windows within a single application. We don't have that problem.
Also, tabs break drag and drop pretty badly. I find that so useful and ubiquitous in my workflow that I can't imagine giving it up.
Oh, and you don't have to click to pick the window in Expose. Initiate the drag, hit Expose, and then hover over the target window. It will come up, and drop. Voila. One drag and drop, one Expose trigger in the middle. Unifies the drag and drop with the window selection in a nice manner.
Originally posted by Kickaha
A combination of Cmd-Tab, Cmd-~ and Expose gives you a mix of a hierarchical circular linear access and direct random access. Toss in hiding of apps, and it's the best of all worlds, IMO.
If I have 9 folders open, and as far as I know we're still just talking about this function within Finder windows, command-"~" will take up to four or five taps to make the loop go around to the furthest folder, taking the fastest path, of course, if I don't pass it. I still have to go looking for something that in this new system would be right in front of my face, and which I can drag directly to. If, of course, you could drop to the tab (and why not if you can drop to the folder icon at the top of current finder windows?)
Tabs came about on systems that didn't offer intelligent window management, so they needed *some* way of offering easy access to windows within a single application. We don't have that problem.
Like I say, this looks a lot more direct, foolproof and transparent than the tab loop.
Also, tabs break drag and drop pretty badly. I find that so useful and ubiquitous in my workflow that I can't imagine giving it up.
I don't know if I get the 1st part about breaking drag & drop. If you could drag onto a tab and let go without it opening, or hover with a file over it until it opened, I think that would be great.
Oh, and you don't have to click to pick the window in Expose. Initiate the drag, hit Expose, and then hover over the target window. It will come up, and drop. Voila. One drag and drop, one Expose trigger in the middle. Unifies the drag and drop with the window selection in a nice manner.
This is true. However, it still means I have to drag the file to a location I then have to identify. With a tab, I know right where I'm going.
--B
Adding tabs to the Finder would be useless at this point...and as Kickaha said, Expose takes care of window management elegantly.
I have enough windows open when I have 5 or more apps open. I want to "reduce the clutter".
Originally posted by Kickaha
I still maintain that tabs are only a workaround for a weak window management system.
Which we don't have.
But whatever.
That's fine. But other people feel differently about the window management system. I for one find it week, and that's because there's too much manual work involved in it. Clicking shortcuts and using Expose all the time is not a solution, it's a patchwork.
I like Expose, but as bergz said, there are quite a few steps to be taken when one uses it.
has been working quite well for me under kde-3.4.1
Originally posted by Gene Clean
That's fine. But other people feel differently about the window management system. I for one find it week, and that's because there's too much manual work involved in it. Clicking shortcuts and using Expose all the time is not a solution, it's a patchwork.
I like Expose, but as bergz said, there are quite a few steps to be taken when one uses it.
Can you give me an example of how you use the Finder? I personally never have more than 3 Finder windows open, I usually only have 1 open...I'd like to hear how people use the Finder.
With the coming changes (moving to a metadata-rich system), moving files around and other such activities that may require more than one Finder window to be open, won't be as necessary.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
[B]Can you give me an example of how you use the Finder? I personally never have more than 3 Finder windows open, I usually only have 1 open...I'd like to hear how people use the Finder.
Well, I usually get a lot of files on my mail, pictures, but not necessarily pictures. It could be Word documents and soemtimes even PDFs. I group them into folders that I need to send out to people at work so they can process the images and then burn those folders into DVDs and send them to our archive.
I usually use 4+ Finder windows because I copy and paste a lot of images from one place to the other (sometimes I find duplicates, and that complicates the issue even more). I prefer to do this on the Finder window(s) itself instead of the Desktop, 'cause I usually keep my Desktop clear and uncluttered.
A tabbed Finder would save me quite some time as it takes a while to click into 4 different Finders until I get the right one.
I understand that there are people who prefer tabs... I just can't figure out *why*. Every 'pro' I've heard for using tabs has a solution in MacOS X that doesn't require them.
I mean, does anyone like MDI on Windows? No? Then why do you like tabs? Same thing, as far as I can see.
Now, I *do* use a tabbed browser. Why? I don't drag and drop in a browser, the content is almost always the same size, that content is transitory, and that content takes up most of the screen.
None of which apply to most of my other apps.
Gene... I'm not sure I even understand the workflow you're trying to describe there... want to give it another shot?
At my job I maintain our Intranet and work on many of our file servers. Technically my main job is supposed to be maintaining our phone systems so I have one folder with shortcuts to connect to many of the systems using terminal.
At any given time I'm editing Job Openings on our intranet. Working with files on the IT share. Moving files in and out of my personal user folder on another share. Accessing a group share. And any number of other shares as required to help our users.
Right there I have 4 or 5 windows open and that is without really using that much. I also keep files temporarily stored on my desktop (downloads, etc.) that I may be moving as needed and often keep that window open.
Throw in that I have one to three terminal windows open at any given time, Apple Remote Desktop, Remote Desktop Connection, BBEdit, iTunes, Entourage, Word, Excel, Safari, and others open and it looks a little cluttered even if I hide or minimize an app I'm not using at this very moment...
As an idea of drag n drop, you could drag an item on to the Tab (the label) and it would automatically switch to viewing that one in the window. Safari should implement this as well (well anything with Tabs.) Hell Mail should have tabs...It should be System Wide! As an..OPTION. Because Tabs are a very old and universal UI concept that everyone already understands and many people like. Sooo why not?