this will filter into the SLI mainstream, athlon64 (not opteron) and intel pentium boards have been announced, for 2006 or maybe even christmas 2005
re: this stuff not being available on a mac: for us$1000 you can get all this out of your system and then go back to using a mac most of the time knowing what you're (not) missing out on
for sure the nvidia chip ca be usaed on a single card, i saw it. nvidia itself say that it not their primary focus, but encurage third party to explore that direction. they talk about more than 40 chip sli, also on single card. that can be raelly impressive
at the moment cooling might be a problem though. two cards allows for using existing shipping chips and have two fans, one for each GPU. i could be stretching here but a dualcore 7800gtx would require a bigass CPU-heatsink-fan type thing. which is hard to put on a vga board.
at the moment cooling might be a problem though. two cards allows for using existing shipping chips and have two fans, one for each GPU. i could be stretching here but a dualcore 7800gtx would require a bigass CPU-heatsink-fan type thing. which is hard to put on a vga board.
i'm sure they'll figure out how to make something like this for a dual or quad-core 7800 GTX at the moment its weight would rip existing vga boards in half
i'm sure they'll figure out how to make something like this for a dual or quad-core 7800 GTX at the moment its weight would rip existing vga boards in half
FYI I love that damn cpu cooler. I have it in a coolermaster centurion 5 case... the one with the front vented with filters. It sucks the air from the front to the back like the g5. It is the coolest air system I have built and have overclocked a 3.6ghz p4 to 4 ghz. That's how all cpu coolers should be.
FYI I love that damn cpu cooler. I have it in a coolermaster centurion 5 case... the one with the front vented with filters. It sucks the air from the front to the back like the g5. It is the coolest air system I have built and have overclocked a 3.6ghz p4 to 4 ghz. That's how all cpu coolers should be.
hey cool. thanks for the review. it definitely looks badass, albeit somewhat ridiculously so. i'll settle for the pure copper flower zalman thing because my msi nvidia6600gt (cybermonkey where is my poem??) has a similar 'look'
edit: also, you cannot believe how dusty it is where i am living now (long story). that zalman is the max "closeness" of fins i can handle any tighter and dust would just clog up. an ordinary table fan running after 5 days, you can see blackish dust stuff on the table fan
yeah i know i should look into filtered cases or use the aircon filters at my local Ace hardware... (they have one in my local Malaysistan mall... they're everywhere!!!)
Very fast. Pretty much the option for ultimate 3D performance at present.
Your only "not" missing out on it if your life doesn't require having the fastest in graphics available at all times. SLI is only going to continue to double your 3D performance until they make it faster. No matter how fast your setup is using one card, SLI can double your performance in most cases.
Still curious to see what Nvidia has in mind for SLI v2.
Very fast. Pretty much the option for ultimate 3D performance at present.
Your only "not" missing out on it if your life doesn't require having the fastest in graphics available at all times. SLI is only going to continue to double your 3D performance until they make it faster. No matter how fast your setup is using one card, SLI can double your performance in most cases.
Still curious to see what Nvidia has in mind for SLI v2.
People keep saying double your performance. SLI doesn't double your performance or come close to doubling the performance. The PCI-E buses are downgraded to 8x slots as opposed to 16x slots. The latency in time of communications between the cards is also another bottleneck. Just like dual processors... doesn't double performance... but dual core is faster... why? because of less latency and an inline memory controller.
People keep saying double your performance. SLI doesn't double your performance or come close to doubling the performance. The PCI-E buses are downgraded to 8x slots as opposed to 16x slots. The latency in time of communications between the cards is also another bottleneck. Just like dual processors... doesn't double performance... but dual core is faster... why? because of less latency and an inline memory controller.
I would've said that but nobody likes a party pooper :P
No SLI system that's out yet has been about "value". It's a way to get more performance than the best card of the moment has: if a 6800 Ultra wasn't enough, you could take 2x 6800GT or 2x 6800 Ultra. That's all. No one with a brain has bought 2 6600GT's when the 6800GT has been the same price. Because nVidia's solution is only guaranteed to work on identical cards, say goodbye to finding obscenely good deals later on. Your needs are so specific that finding a huge deal on the right card later on is looking for a needle in the haystack. Even if you find a deal, just how much are you in front of the method of looking for a cost-effective new card (say, the 6800GT) and eBaying your old card?
aw, you all are so mean. i love my SLI, i have one empty slot waiting to be filled with another 6600gt (MSI brand) when it comes down in price and when there is more support for it. and also so that my 3dmark can go from 4000 to 6000 or something... just because...
Very fast. Pretty much the option for ultimate 3D performance at present.
hmm not sure about BOXX but Alienware has gone over to Pentium Extreme (dualcore+hyperthreading) for their top-of-theline SLI stuff. marketing and economics wise, this would make more sense than a dual opteron setup, that board is more for servers, and ultra-elite SLI. Alienware has AFAIK is currently not using SLI with full two 16X pci express channels....
aw, you all are so mean. i love my SLI, i have one empty slot waiting to be filled with another 6600gt (MSI brand) when it comes down in price and when there is more support for it. and also so that my 3dmark can go from 4000 to 6000 or something... just because...
i'm going to have a little cry now
Heh you love something you haven't used yet?
SLI is a great idea. But IMO it needs to be greatly improved to be worth the money... to where 2 SLI 6600gt's will be a 6800gt. I think a lot of people are in that position. They want the performance before they will buy it. Developers are going to ignore it (not all but most) until it is mainstream among consumers. Sure rendering farms would like it. But developers dont' develop for very few customers like that.
SLI is a great idea. But IMO it needs to be greatly improved to be worth the money... to where 2 SLI 6600gt's will be a 6800gt. I think a lot of people are in that position. They want the performance before they will buy it. Developers are going to ignore it (not all but most) until it is mainstream among consumers. Sure rendering farms would like it. But developers dont' develop for very few customers like that.
heh ... overall its the "feeling of upgradeability" that i have with my pc system. my mouse and keyboard is from like 10 years ago, i kid you not. hard disk from few months ago. cpu and graphics and mobo and ram from few weeks ago, dvdrom drive from a 1 month ago to boot mac os x.4.0 (long story).
eBay in malaysistan is there but hasn't taken off yet and the market for 2nd hand computer stuff is very small or simply hard to complete the sale.
at the end of the day, i just like the idea of being able to pop in another video card (i'm happy with that specific MSI model) if i want to, a dvd-writer, or drop in an Athlon 64fx, or Athlon x2, or more/faster ram, or a sataII ncq hard disk....
seeing that my other mac is my dad's iBook g4 and i've possibly violated the warranty modding in a 5400rpm notebook drive, this is a less risky way to tinker with stuff.
If i had a powermac G4 and good access to G4 parts resellers, or i was in the USA at the moment, then yes, no worries, i would be fooling around with upgrading my powermac g4. but in terms of cost and availability, living here in south east asia at the moment, it's pc/windows/linux geektime for me when my dad's using his iBook
you have a very salient point about value, so that's how i've hedged my bets, a SLI and non-SLI board is not that great a price difference. who knows, maybe by middle of next year manufacturers may have a bundle of two 7800gt(not gtx) which may be less than one 7900 or 8000 gtx or whatever
okay okay here's my twisted analogy, since we're on the topic. depends what you're into. would you prefer to have sex with one really really hot person, or two somewhat hot twins
People keep saying double your performance. SLI doesn't double your performance or come close to doubling the performance. The PCI-E buses are downgraded to 8x slots as opposed to 16x slots. The latency in time of communications between the cards is also another bottleneck. Just like dual processors... doesn't double performance... but dual core is faster... why? because of less latency and an inline memory controller.
What are you talking about 2 downgraded 16X PCI-E slots? Where are your facts?
I think your refering to the original Nforce 4 PCI-E that intel was using that was splitting one 16X slot.
If look at the first AMD version of the Nforce SLI they have been using a dual ? NVIDIA nForce Professional 2200 &
? NVIDIA nForce Professional 2050 (I/O-4) - Connected to CPU 2
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Originally posted by MacRonin
....Damn it! I want both of my 16x slots running at 16x!...
here you go: 2 PCIexpress 16x FULL SPEED slots
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html
this will filter into the SLI mainstream, athlon64 (not opteron) and intel pentium boards have been announced, for 2006 or maybe even christmas 2005
re: this stuff not being available on a mac: for us$1000 you can get all this out of your system and then go back to using a mac most of the time knowing what you're (not) missing out on
Originally posted by gelosilente
for sure the nvidia chip ca be usaed on a single card, i saw it. nvidia itself say that it not their primary focus, but encurage third party to explore that direction. they talk about more than 40 chip sli, also on single card. that can be raelly impressive
at the moment cooling might be a problem though. two cards allows for using existing shipping chips and have two fans, one for each GPU. i could be stretching here but a dualcore 7800gtx would require a bigass CPU-heatsink-fan type thing. which is hard to put on a vga board.
Originally posted by sunilraman
at the moment cooling might be a problem though. two cards allows for using existing shipping chips and have two fans, one for each GPU. i could be stretching here but a dualcore 7800gtx would require a bigass CPU-heatsink-fan type thing. which is hard to put on a vga board.
for sure, but in theory....
Originally posted by sunilraman
i'm sure they'll figure out how to make something like this for a dual or quad-core 7800 GTX
FYI I love that damn cpu cooler. I have it in a coolermaster centurion 5 case... the one with the front vented with filters. It sucks the air from the front to the back like the g5. It is the coolest air system I have built and have overclocked a 3.6ghz p4 to 4 ghz. That's how all cpu coolers should be.
FYI I love that damn cpu cooler. I have it in a coolermaster centurion 5 case... the one with the front vented with filters. It sucks the air from the front to the back like the g5. It is the coolest air system I have built and have overclocked a 3.6ghz p4 to 4 ghz. That's how all cpu coolers should be.
hey cool. thanks for the review. it definitely looks badass, albeit somewhat ridiculously so. i'll settle for the pure copper flower zalman thing because my msi nvidia6600gt (cybermonkey where is my poem??) has a similar 'look'
edit: also, you cannot believe how dusty it is where i am living now (long story). that zalman is the max "closeness" of fins i can handle any tighter and dust would just clog up. an ordinary table fan running after 5 days, you can see blackish dust stuff on the table fan
yeah i know i should look into filtered cases or use the aircon filters at my local Ace hardware... (they have one in my local Malaysistan mall... they're everywhere!!!)
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html
Very fast. Pretty much the option for ultimate 3D performance at present.
Your only "not" missing out on it if your life doesn't require having the fastest in graphics available at all times. SLI is only going to continue to double your 3D performance until they make it faster. No matter how fast your setup is using one card, SLI can double your performance in most cases.
Still curious to see what Nvidia has in mind for SLI v2.
Originally posted by onlooker
I'm pretty sure this is the Opteron board that Alienware, and BOXX use.
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html
Very fast. Pretty much the option for ultimate 3D performance at present.
Your only "not" missing out on it if your life doesn't require having the fastest in graphics available at all times. SLI is only going to continue to double your 3D performance until they make it faster. No matter how fast your setup is using one card, SLI can double your performance in most cases.
Still curious to see what Nvidia has in mind for SLI v2.
People keep saying double your performance. SLI doesn't double your performance or come close to doubling the performance. The PCI-E buses are downgraded to 8x slots as opposed to 16x slots. The latency in time of communications between the cards is also another bottleneck. Just like dual processors... doesn't double performance... but dual core is faster... why? because of less latency and an inline memory controller.
Originally posted by emig647
People keep saying double your performance. SLI doesn't double your performance or come close to doubling the performance. The PCI-E buses are downgraded to 8x slots as opposed to 16x slots. The latency in time of communications between the cards is also another bottleneck. Just like dual processors... doesn't double performance... but dual core is faster... why? because of less latency and an inline memory controller.
I would've said that but nobody likes a party pooper :P
Originally posted by slughead
I would've said that but nobody likes a party pooper :P
i'm going to have a little cry now
I'm pretty sure this is the Opteron board that Alienware, and BOXX use.
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html
Very fast. Pretty much the option for ultimate 3D performance at present.
hmm not sure about BOXX but Alienware has gone over to Pentium Extreme (dualcore+hyperthreading) for their top-of-theline SLI stuff. marketing and economics wise, this would make more sense than a dual opteron setup, that board is more for servers, and ultra-elite SLI. Alienware has AFAIK is currently not using SLI with full two 16X pci express channels....
Originally posted by sunilraman
aw, you all are so mean. i love my SLI, i have one empty slot waiting to be filled with another 6600gt (MSI brand) when it comes down in price and when there is more support for it. and also so that my 3dmark can go from 4000 to 6000 or something... just because...
i'm going to have a little cry now
Heh you love something you haven't used yet?
SLI is a great idea. But IMO it needs to be greatly improved to be worth the money... to where 2 SLI 6600gt's will be a 6800gt. I think a lot of people are in that position. They want the performance before they will buy it. Developers are going to ignore it (not all but most) until it is mainstream among consumers. Sure rendering farms would like it. But developers dont' develop for very few customers like that.
Originally posted by emig647
Heh you love something you haven't used yet?
SLI is a great idea. But IMO it needs to be greatly improved to be worth the money... to where 2 SLI 6600gt's will be a 6800gt. I think a lot of people are in that position. They want the performance before they will buy it. Developers are going to ignore it (not all but most) until it is mainstream among consumers. Sure rendering farms would like it. But developers dont' develop for very few customers like that.
heh
eBay in malaysistan is there but hasn't taken off yet and the market for 2nd hand computer stuff is very small or simply hard to complete the sale.
at the end of the day, i just like the idea of being able to pop in another video card (i'm happy with that specific MSI model) if i want to, a dvd-writer, or drop in an Athlon 64fx, or Athlon x2, or more/faster ram, or a sataII ncq hard disk....
seeing that my other mac is my dad's iBook g4 and i've possibly violated the warranty modding in a 5400rpm notebook drive, this is a less risky way to tinker with stuff.
If i had a powermac G4 and good access to G4 parts resellers, or i was in the USA at the moment, then yes, no worries, i would be fooling around with upgrading my powermac g4. but in terms of cost and availability, living here in south east asia at the moment, it's pc/windows/linux geektime for me when my dad's using his iBook
you have a very salient point about value, so that's how i've hedged my bets, a SLI and non-SLI board is not that great a price difference. who knows, maybe by middle of next year manufacturers may have a bundle of two 7800gt(not gtx) which may be less than one 7900 or 8000 gtx or whatever
okay okay here's my twisted analogy, since we're on the topic. depends what you're into. would you prefer to have sex with one really really hot person, or two somewhat hot twins
Originally posted by emig647
People keep saying double your performance. SLI doesn't double your performance or come close to doubling the performance. The PCI-E buses are downgraded to 8x slots as opposed to 16x slots. The latency in time of communications between the cards is also another bottleneck. Just like dual processors... doesn't double performance... but dual core is faster... why? because of less latency and an inline memory controller.
What are you talking about 2 downgraded 16X PCI-E slots? Where are your facts?
I think your refering to the original Nforce 4 PCI-E that intel was using that was splitting one 16X slot.
If look at the first AMD version of the Nforce SLI they have been using a dual ? NVIDIA nForce Professional 2200 &
? NVIDIA nForce Professional 2050 (I/O-4) - Connected to CPU 2
?Thats Two x16 PCI Express FULL SPEED slots
- Slot1 PCI-E x16 from nForce? Prof. 2200
- Slot3 PCI-E x16 from nForce? Prof. 2050
So how is that getting downgraded to 8x?
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Originally posted by sunilraman
...would you prefer to have sex with one really really hot person, or two somewhat hot twins...
I would have to go with the somewhat hot twins...
I would have to go with the somewhat hot twins...
ah... and therein lies the marketing appeal of SLI.