How the heck would we know if you need it? If you don't know if you need it then you probably don't.
And you can't legally download it. Ever heard of software piracy? There are plenty of places to buy it for under $100USD. Or buy a new Mac and it comes with Tiger installed.
How the heck would we know if you need it? If you don't know if you need it then you probably don't.
And you can't legally download it. Ever heard of software piracy? There are plenty of places to buy it for under $100USD. Or buy a new Mac and it comes with Tiger installed.
Easy there, bit of a mis understanding I think. As far as I can tell, he was just wondering if you need Tiger to run the new Mail app, or if it can be obtained as a free download (like iTunes). So to answer the question, you do need Tiger to run the new mail app, as it is not available separately. Hope that clears everything up and everyone is happy!
Sorry, it's not a decimal number. Period. End of story. If someone can't wrap their brain around that, they really should back away from the keyboard and sell the overly complex piece of electronics they bought.
Mediocrity is never a good reason to change a rational system.
Give me a break. A less confusing system is almost always superior to a more confusing one. Anyone who can't wrap their minds around that shouldn't be positing opinions about software design or release practices.
Never using "10" or above for a sub-version number of a major release is a lot less confusing, and therefore superior. Since the decision on what features are "major" and "minor" are mostly arbitrary anyway, your system makes no more sense and requires more thought to deal with. Add a thousand similarly stupid decisions and you get a system like Windows or Linux.
Easy there, bit of a mis understanding I think. As far as I can tell, he was just wondering if you need Tiger to run the new Mail app, or if it can be obtained as a free download (like iTunes). So to answer the question, you do need Tiger to run the new mail app, as it is not available separately. Hope that clears everything up and everyone is happy!
So podcast is minor feature and screwed up title bar in the windows version is a major one. Check.
Apple would not confuse their customers with a .10 because it is not intuitive. Of course I understand but lots of people don't and won't - and there's no need to be patronising (Kichaha)
However, iTunes 2 was blue logo, iTunes 3 had the purple music logo, itunes 4 was green and now itunes 5 is green but has a new look. Major revisions have facelifts - garageband 2 looks very different from 1, equally iPhoto 5 from 2. iTunes 4.8 to 4.9 was minor - new podcasts. 5 was also a minor upgrade but gives a new refined look, search bar, smart shuffle etc. so comes under a major revision.
Anyway a decimal point is worth this much aggro surely!
On Windows, my iTunes title bar doesn't have the name "iTunes" squished up against the very top edge of the window like you show in your screen shot. Perhaps iTunes simply isn't dealing very well with your chosen desktop theme, or personal variations thereof in Display Properties/Appearance? Your window title seems to be in a larger font size than mine.
So podcast is minor feature and screwed up title bar in the windows version is a major one. Check.
What if Apple had made the podcasting version of iTunes version 5, but kept the same look and not added any of the current updates? What version number would bring it to what it is now?
To me, it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. What happened actually makes more sense to me than what I listed above.
iLife members to match all others makes plenty sense.
It is da logic, dude
If the ONLY reason they did that was to normalize the numbering system, fine. But the purpose of jumping a whole number is to designate a major upgrade. This was a tweek.
Apple would not confuse their customers with a .10 because it is not intuitive. Of course I understand but lots of people don't and won't - and there's no need to be patronising (Kichaha)
However, iTunes 2 was blue logo, iTunes 3 had the purple music logo, itunes 4 was green and now itunes 5 is green but has a new look. Major revisions have facelifts - garageband 2 looks very different from 1, equally iPhoto 5 from 2. iTunes 4.8 to 4.9 was minor - new podcasts. 5 was also a minor upgrade but gives a new refined look, search bar, smart shuffle etc. so comes under a major revision.
Anyway a decimal point is worth this much aggro surely!
We're getting it backwards here. 2,3,4, didn't get those designation because Apple changed the colors. They got the colors to indicate the upgrade.
Now it's being said that because they made a tweek and went from metal to grey it's worth a 5. No sense at all to that. This WAS worth a 4.9.1 or so change.
Full video integration into the software with actual video sales would be worth a 5.
But as I say, if it were just to have everything in iLife say "5", then let's forget this whole thing.
Under the hood, it signified a shift to QuickTime 7. That's not a tweak. If what I'm seeing in the binary is what I think I'm seeing, then this was indeed worthy of a major build increment.
Under the hood, it signified a shift to QuickTime 7. That's not a tweak. If what I'm seeing in the binary is what I think I'm seeing, then this was indeed worthy of a major build increment.
If QT 7 were only available in iTunes, I would agree. But to simply make it compatable with it, which they HAD to do is something else.
When PS became compatable with JPEG2000, Adobe didn't give the program an update number, they just supplied a new plug-in. There isn't much different here. OS X didn't go to 10.4 because QT 7 came out. Neither should iTunes. Every app that Apple has must be compatable with QT 7. FCP didn't go to 5 because of it. That was a required but minor change. It went to 5 because of major improvements.
QT 7 had a pretty substantial change to a new API set. Make no mistake, QT 7 is perhaps the most important strategic product Apple has released in five years. AFAICT, iTunes 5 uses the *new* API, not the old one. Hence, a major update. I could be wrong, since I'm just poking into the raw binary by hand, but from what I can see it *looks* like they migrated. Having a little experience with this process... yeah, major build number time.
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Originally posted by Kickaha
Mediocrity is never a good reason to change a rational system.
For many, rational thought is never a good reason to change a mediocre system.
Originally posted by CRHain88
Do I need tiger, or can I download it?
How the heck would we know if you need it? If you don't know if you need it then you probably don't.
And you can't legally download it. Ever heard of software piracy? There are plenty of places to buy it for under $100USD. Or buy a new Mac and it comes with Tiger installed.
Originally posted by sjk
How the heck would we know if you need it? If you don't know if you need it then you probably don't.
And you can't legally download it. Ever heard of software piracy? There are plenty of places to buy it for under $100USD. Or buy a new Mac and it comes with Tiger installed.
Easy there, bit of a mis understanding I think. As far as I can tell, he was just wondering if you need Tiger to run the new Mail app, or if it can be obtained as a free download (like iTunes). So to answer the question, you do need Tiger to run the new mail app, as it is not available separately. Hope that clears everything up and everyone is happy!
Originally posted by Kickaha
Then they're idiots.
Sorry, it's not a decimal number. Period. End of story. If someone can't wrap their brain around that, they really should back away from the keyboard and sell the overly complex piece of electronics they bought.
Mediocrity is never a good reason to change a rational system.
Give me a break. A less confusing system is almost always superior to a more confusing one. Anyone who can't wrap their minds around that shouldn't be positing opinions about software design or release practices.
Never using "10" or above for a sub-version number of a major release is a lot less confusing, and therefore superior. Since the decision on what features are "major" and "minor" are mostly arbitrary anyway, your system makes no more sense and requires more thought to deal with. Add a thousand similarly stupid decisions and you get a system like Windows or Linux.
Originally posted by G_Warren
Easy there, bit of a mis understanding I think. As far as I can tell, he was just wondering if you need Tiger to run the new Mail app, or if it can be obtained as a free download (like iTunes). So to answer the question, you do need Tiger to run the new mail app, as it is not available separately. Hope that clears everything up and everyone is happy!
Thank you very much, and yes that is what I ment.
Originally posted by Booga
Since the decision on what features are "major" and "minor" are mostly arbitrary anyway.
So podcast is minor feature and screwed up title bar in the windows version is a major one. Check.
Originally posted by Anders
So podcast is minor feature and screwed up title bar in the windows version is a major one. Check.
Apple would not confuse their customers with a .10 because it is not intuitive. Of course I understand but lots of people don't and won't - and there's no need to be patronising (Kichaha)
However, iTunes 2 was blue logo, iTunes 3 had the purple music logo, itunes 4 was green and now itunes 5 is green but has a new look. Major revisions have facelifts - garageband 2 looks very different from 1, equally iPhoto 5 from 2. iTunes 4.8 to 4.9 was minor - new podcasts. 5 was also a minor upgrade but gives a new refined look, search bar, smart shuffle etc. so comes under a major revision.
Anyway a decimal point is worth this much aggro surely!
Originally posted by shetline
On Windows, my iTunes title bar doesn't have the name "iTunes" squished up against the very top edge of the window like you show in your screen shot. Perhaps iTunes simply isn't dealing very well with your chosen desktop theme, or personal variations thereof in Display Properties/Appearance? Your window title seems to be in a larger font size than mine.
OMG, at least the cross isn't red tinted.
Originally posted by Anders
So podcast is minor feature and screwed up title bar in the windows version is a major one. Check.
What if Apple had made the podcasting version of iTunes version 5, but kept the same look and not added any of the current updates? What version number would bring it to what it is now?
To me, it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. What happened actually makes more sense to me than what I listed above.
Originally posted by Arnel
It looks like the Mail.app look was a preview of things to come after all
Except that its not the same shade of gray!?
Originally posted by ajmas
Except that its not the same shade of gray!?
it should be but i think apple didn't want change itunes completely - it's a bit of a mish-mash to be honest!
Originally posted by CRHain88
Thank you very much, and yes that is what I ment.
Sorry for misunderstanding you, and thanks to G_Warren for correcting me.
Originally posted by Vox Barbara
They sell iTunes 4.x.x in a box called iLife5.
Kinda applelogic;-)
Finally changing the version number of one of its
iLife members to match all others makes plenty sense.
It is da logic, dude
If the ONLY reason they did that was to normalize the numbering system, fine. But the purpose of jumping a whole number is to designate a major upgrade. This was a tweek.
Originally posted by MacCrazy
Apple would not confuse their customers with a .10 because it is not intuitive. Of course I understand but lots of people don't and won't - and there's no need to be patronising (Kichaha)
However, iTunes 2 was blue logo, iTunes 3 had the purple music logo, itunes 4 was green and now itunes 5 is green but has a new look. Major revisions have facelifts - garageband 2 looks very different from 1, equally iPhoto 5 from 2. iTunes 4.8 to 4.9 was minor - new podcasts. 5 was also a minor upgrade but gives a new refined look, search bar, smart shuffle etc. so comes under a major revision.
Anyway a decimal point is worth this much aggro surely!
We're getting it backwards here. 2,3,4, didn't get those designation because Apple changed the colors. They got the colors to indicate the upgrade.
Now it's being said that because they made a tweek and went from metal to grey it's worth a 5. No sense at all to that. This WAS worth a 4.9.1 or so change.
Full video integration into the software with actual video sales would be worth a 5.
But as I say, if it were just to have everything in iLife say "5", then let's forget this whole thing.
its.. well... grey.
may get used to it though.
Under the hood, it signified a shift to QuickTime 7. That's not a tweak. If what I'm seeing in the binary is what I think I'm seeing, then this was indeed worthy of a major build increment.
Originally posted by Kickaha
On the surface, this was a tweak.
Under the hood, it signified a shift to QuickTime 7. That's not a tweak. If what I'm seeing in the binary is what I think I'm seeing, then this was indeed worthy of a major build increment.
If QT 7 were only available in iTunes, I would agree. But to simply make it compatable with it, which they HAD to do is something else.
When PS became compatable with JPEG2000, Adobe didn't give the program an update number, they just supplied a new plug-in. There isn't much different here. OS X didn't go to 10.4 because QT 7 came out. Neither should iTunes. Every app that Apple has must be compatable with QT 7. FCP didn't go to 5 because of it. That was a required but minor change. It went to 5 because of major improvements.