thanks spooky for the very genuine response...and it is good to hear you care....i am running out the door right now, but promise to reply with the thoughtfulness you have shown...no hard feelings g
forget about record sales. Apple does not have the manufacturing ability. they never have. when will they realize they need another damn plant, preferbly US based.
their maximum production of imacs is 100,000 a month. it's impossible to get anywhere near the old iMac record at that rate
It would not be a good idea to build a plant just because your brand new product is flying off the shelves. What happens after a year, when demand levels out? You have an expensive plant doing nothing or oversupplying the market.
<strong>It would not be a good idea to build a plant just because your brand new product is flying off the shelves. What happens after a year, when demand levels out? You have an expensive plant doing nothing or oversupplying the market.</strong><hr></blockquote>
not really. Apple always has constant supply issues and constantly releases new products that are in high demand that they can't keep up with.
there would never be a plant doing nothing and you should know that. Supply has been a serious problem with Apple for the past 4 years. if that doesn't warrant another plant I don't know what does. Having 300,000 want a product and only being able to deliver to 100,000 is better?
I'm an American who splits his time between the USA and Ireland, and I can attest that if Apple's presence is as dismal in the UK as it is in Ireland, it is need of serious improvement. It seems to me that Apple has given up on Europe (or at least the UK and Ireland) as a market for their products. I also have tried to convince many of my Irish friends and aquaintances to buy Macs, but hardly anyone I know in Ireland has ever seen a Mac. They are not advertised in anything but the Euro Mac Format magazine. There is no general advertising presence, there is limited retail presence. In fact, the only stores in Ireland that I've seen selling Macs, O'Hagan's, has stopped selling them. I know only 3 people across the Atlantic who own Macs. One owns a direct marketing/advertising company, and another Mac fanatic who owns a video production company, and another that works in photography. For those few who have even heard of the Macintosh, they believe that the Mac is only good for graphics professionals and is unsuitable for general use. It is frustrating, to say the least, that Apple UK and Apple Ireland is at such a dismal state. Only in Cork, where there is an Apple R&D and production plant, have the general populace heard of Apple, and usually only because they know someone who was made redundant (laid off) by Apple.
not really. Apple always has constant supply issues and constantly releases new products that are in high demand that they can't keep up with.
there would never be a plant doing nothing and you should know that. Supply has been a serious problem with Apple for the past 4 years. if that doesn't warrant another plant I don't know what does. Having 300,000 want a product and only being able to deliver to 100,000 is better?</strong><hr></blockquote>
When has Apple ever had extended supply problems? If I remember correctly, Apple actually laid off quite a few people at its Cork, Ireland plant even when it was booming with iMac sales. It's cheaper for them to do it this way because they don't always have that much demand for products. Imagine late 2000 with the glut of Power Mac G4 Cubes and aging Power Mac G4 towers.
The fact that Apple's inventory nearly doubled this quarter should be proof enough that Apple doesn't need more of its own full-time plants. It can continue to outsource from other facilities just fine.
And barring production problems, I don't see why they should change their strategy. This production problem story so far is just a story, AFAIK.
besides Macintosh, who complained about their iMac deliveries incessantly? thegelding, mac's girl, barvow's wife, cubit, Thoth2, Duals, gobble gobble, KidRed's wife, etc all got theirs...
We'll have to wait to see if there really are major production problems.
And now that Apple has its own retail front, you can bet those stores are getting dibs on shipments. I could probably go down to the Apple Store Palo Alto and pick one up today...Okay maybe not, but I probably wouldn't have to wait more than a week after being put on their e-mail list.
[quote]When has Apple ever had extended supply problems?<hr></blockquote>
whenever a new product comes out?
any product made in the far east?
the portables especially the powerbook which has often seen month wait times?
the only product Apple consistantly ships on time is the PowerMac and surprise, it's made in the USA.
[quote]It's cheaper for them to do it this way because they don't always have that much demand for products. Imagine late 2000 with the glut of Power Mac G4 Cubes and aging Power Mac G4 towers.<hr></blockquote>
use the exception to the rule of course. the cube and the powermac g4 towers in late 2000 were BAD products. You can't base the need for more production capacity ona product that tanked and a product that had not seen a signficant update in over a year
Imagine 2002 when Apple has thousands of orders and can't fill em.
[quote]
besides Macintosh, who complained about their iMac deliveries incessantly? thegelding, mac's girl, barvow's wife, cubit, Thoth2, Duals, gobble gobble, KidRed's wife, etc all got theirs...<hr></blockquote>
obviously a lot and obviously enough to make new orders still a 3-5 week wait and enough to prevent lower models from ramping up.
[quote]
And now that Apple has its own retail front, you can bet those stores are getting dibs on shipments. I could probably go down to the Apple Store Palo Alto and pick one up today...Okay maybe not, but I probably wouldn't have to wait more than a week after being put on their e-mail list.<hr></blockquote>
and that means what? until Apple fills all resellers they have not done well. Apple Stores are located near a minority. A very small minority
[quote]obviously a lot and obviously enough to make new orders still a 3-5 week wait and enough to prevent lower models from ramping up.<hr></blockquote>
New orders are of course going to be subject to long waits because they started taking orders 3-5 weeks in advance. This is not out of the ordinary, and it was like this for most of the new products.
They also have to fill store shelves now. Basically, if you want an iMac, don't buy direct from Apple or via mail-order. Aside from having to pay tax anyway with the Apple Store Online, you are put in a queue. Go local, and keep calling CompUSA or Fry's.
Apple Stores are getting dibs on iMacs. That doesn't mean there are fewer to go around in total. Unfortunately, it means Apple is going to be peppering certain locales before others.
And judging from the previous posts, if demand is not much worse than in January, 3-5 week waits should be expected. People who ordered a month ago are getting theirs shipped now. That *should* mean Apple's supply is steady.
I wanted to check shipping times worldwide, but the Apple Store is down right now.
EDIT: I think the updated it with the Design Collection offer.
In Spooky's response about being a Mac owner in the US.... I have only switched platforms in the past 4-5 months, so I know both ends. I used to make fun of Mac users because I was truly uneducated about them, and only used them in school. I went with popular opinion that Macs just sucked.. Because they sucked.... Anyways, now after using my iac 450 DV on OSX, I have been talking with people about Macs. Just a few months ago, people hardly looked at Apple. The day after the new iMac was announced, I had many hardcore PC friends @ School come up to me and say how awesome it looked, and how much they wanted one. Gone were any complaints about "it sucks" or "it does not have enough software". Many of the PC owning people I know are getting VERY tired of Windoze, and are starting to consider the Mac a viable platform. As far as I can tell, at least here, public opinion is starting to sway....
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[quote] Original iMac = 800000 sold in 4.5 months. I don't think the new iMac will break that record.
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4.5 month = 20 weeks
6 weeks = 300.000 orders (50.000 orders/week)
=> 20 weeks = 1.000.000 orders
maybe Apple can't sell them, because they aren't producing enough of them. But if orders go on like this, they will hit 1M end of May (this year).
It's just playing with numbers, but I'm full of hope. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
Customers all around the world, please don't prove me wrong.
Eugene, may be you're right, but I hope you're not.
Bye
SC
Demand tapers. Don't be silly.
Especially considering the mid and low end models haven't even appeared in retail stores yet. (Available for purchase.)
their maximum production of imacs is 100,000 a month. it's impossible to get anywhere near the old iMac record at that rate
<strong>It would not be a good idea to build a plant just because your brand new product is flying off the shelves. What happens after a year, when demand levels out? You have an expensive plant doing nothing or oversupplying the market.</strong><hr></blockquote>
not really. Apple always has constant supply issues and constantly releases new products that are in high demand that they can't keep up with.
there would never be a plant doing nothing and you should know that. Supply has been a serious problem with Apple for the past 4 years. if that doesn't warrant another plant I don't know what does. Having 300,000 want a product and only being able to deliver to 100,000 is better?
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not really. Apple always has constant supply issues and constantly releases new products that are in high demand that they can't keep up with.
there would never be a plant doing nothing and you should know that. Supply has been a serious problem with Apple for the past 4 years. if that doesn't warrant another plant I don't know what does. Having 300,000 want a product and only being able to deliver to 100,000 is better?</strong><hr></blockquote>
When has Apple ever had extended supply problems? If I remember correctly, Apple actually laid off quite a few people at its Cork, Ireland plant even when it was booming with iMac sales. It's cheaper for them to do it this way because they don't always have that much demand for products. Imagine late 2000 with the glut of Power Mac G4 Cubes and aging Power Mac G4 towers.
The fact that Apple's inventory nearly doubled this quarter should be proof enough that Apple doesn't need more of its own full-time plants. It can continue to outsource from other facilities just fine.
And barring production problems, I don't see why they should change their strategy. This production problem story so far is just a story, AFAIK.
besides Macintosh, who complained about their iMac deliveries incessantly? thegelding, mac's girl, barvow's wife, cubit, Thoth2, Duals, gobble gobble, KidRed's wife, etc all got theirs...
We'll have to wait to see if there really are major production problems.
And now that Apple has its own retail front, you can bet those stores are getting dibs on shipments. I could probably go down to the Apple Store Palo Alto and pick one up today...Okay maybe not, but I probably wouldn't have to wait more than a week after being put on their e-mail list.
[ 02-27-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
I hope, and think, you are right.
Thanks,
Dr. L
whenever a new product comes out?
any product made in the far east?
the portables especially the powerbook which has often seen month wait times?
the only product Apple consistantly ships on time is the PowerMac and surprise, it's made in the USA.
[quote]It's cheaper for them to do it this way because they don't always have that much demand for products. Imagine late 2000 with the glut of Power Mac G4 Cubes and aging Power Mac G4 towers.<hr></blockquote>
use the exception to the rule of course. the cube and the powermac g4 towers in late 2000 were BAD products. You can't base the need for more production capacity ona product that tanked and a product that had not seen a signficant update in over a year
Imagine 2002 when Apple has thousands of orders and can't fill em.
[quote]
besides Macintosh, who complained about their iMac deliveries incessantly? thegelding, mac's girl, barvow's wife, cubit, Thoth2, Duals, gobble gobble, KidRed's wife, etc all got theirs...<hr></blockquote>
obviously a lot and obviously enough to make new orders still a 3-5 week wait and enough to prevent lower models from ramping up.
[quote]
And now that Apple has its own retail front, you can bet those stores are getting dibs on shipments. I could probably go down to the Apple Store Palo Alto and pick one up today...Okay maybe not, but I probably wouldn't have to wait more than a week after being put on their e-mail list.<hr></blockquote>
and that means what? until Apple fills all resellers they have not done well. Apple Stores are located near a minority. A very small minority
New orders are of course going to be subject to long waits because they started taking orders 3-5 weeks in advance. This is not out of the ordinary, and it was like this for most of the new products.
They also have to fill store shelves now. Basically, if you want an iMac, don't buy direct from Apple or via mail-order. Aside from having to pay tax anyway with the Apple Store Online, you are put in a queue. Go local, and keep calling CompUSA or Fry's.
Apple Stores are getting dibs on iMacs. That doesn't mean there are fewer to go around in total. Unfortunately, it means Apple is going to be peppering certain locales before others.
And judging from the previous posts, if demand is not much worse than in January, 3-5 week waits should be expected. People who ordered a month ago are getting theirs shipped now. That *should* mean Apple's supply is steady.
I wanted to check shipping times worldwide, but the Apple Store is down right now.
EDIT: I think the updated it with the Design Collection offer.
[ 02-28-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>