Personally, what you really have to look at is the fact that he was vague. Could he be pulling our chains, or could he be in the know. Personally, I see him pulling our chains, because it just doesn't "feel" right.
As most people know how have read my posts, I go by my gut. And only my gut. So, I don't have any insider info. What I can tell you is that if you look at everything that there is, it makes sense of a G5 rollout. The extra time, the moved up date, G4 has been out for 2 years, a (almost) definate iMac, etc etc.
As much as I want to believe what he says, he doesn't seem creditible (because of one thing). I just think that his speed bump is a little outragious. Other than that, I think his words have merit.
I don't know. I think he is telling the truth, but as I have stated elsewhere, we will know in a short amount of time now who is right and who is full of it. Just enjoy the rumors now. Besides, with the date getting ever closer, who is to say that real informatin will not start leaking faster?
I think not. Unless our friend Mastergateing is capable of using different writing styles, which I seriously doubt, seeing how he couldn't even edit a post.
The only thing of real value he gave us is 6-8 speed bump, the rest is all "we tested an opaque box" blah blah. I think he's exaggerating, but then so is Jobs with his one-sided PS tests, nothing new really. What it probably means is a machine twice the overall speed of current equavalent cpu. That's not that unexpected either. The real question now is will PMs be faster G4 and iMac remains G3, or will both go up a generation. No-one has been able to provide a definite answer to that one.
there is nothing exagerated about Jobs' PS tests. All he does to win is use all altivec and MP aware filters on the mac. using only those filters will almost always put the mac on top
<strong>The only thing of real value he gave us is 6-8 speed bump, the rest is all "we tested an opaque box" blah blah. I think he's exaggerating, but then so is Jobs with his one-sided PS tests, nothing new really. What it probably means is a machine twice the overall speed of current equavalent cpu. </strong><hr></blockquote>
There are a number of circumstances in which that sort of speed-up would be possible (although not typical of device performance). Firstly is the case of a program which fits into the 512KB cache of the propsed G5, but not the 256KB of the G4, for certain styles of programme this can give tenfold speed-up on a same speed processor. Another possibility is a seriously bandwidth limited programme if the new device has dual-channel DDR333 memory it could get up to 5 times the memory bandwidth of current G4 machines. Another possibility is that the new compiler has good auto-vectorisation.
None of this means the poster is correct, just that it cannot be ruled as incorrect on the basis of that figure, note, also, that the machines that may be sent out to testers are almost certainly not the same as will be released to the public, they will run at different speeds, may have different memory systems etc..
For what its worth, As The Apple Turns is stating that there will absolutely and positively be no G5 at MWSF in January. Tune your expectations a few notches lower.
<strong>For what its worth, As The Apple Turns is stating that there will absolutely and positively be no G5 at MWSF in January. Tune your expectations a few notches lower.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, but they said that because according to a stoopid typo - the G5 was available second-hand as of today: December. Which of couse, it isn't.
AFA MasterGating is concerned, he was a social hack, he pulled the same thing a few months back when he said Steve Jobs was going to give us something to name our children after ... mastergator or not, the truth is, we still don't know if the G5 is going to make it or not ... all we know for sure is that - at very least - we'll get Apollo processors.
Current G4 bus, 133mhz. G5 bus 266-400mhz (2x-3x). There is an easy 3x performance increase, the mac is very bus starved.
Current G4 ram, 133mhz. G5 ram 266-400mhz DDR (2-3x). Another big boost.
Peripheral card manufacturer? Perhaps the PCI bus got a major boost (PCI-X?). Perhaps the AGP slot is now at 8x AGP. Perhaps its using the rumored aqua accelerator that raycer were going to make, thus removing a substancial load from the G5 processor (99%? )
Altivec 2. This is a 2-4x boost in altivec speed. I have this on good knowledge, and can't say anything else.
Also, how much of boost does 64bit give? I don't know, maybe none in this task (which leads to the question: and whats that...).
Overall I don't see it being hard to achieve a 6-8x speed boost with the much faster components listed above. As amazing as a 6-8x boost sounds like mmmm
As much as I'd like to think otherwise... The G5 will not make it's debut at MWSF... Well let me rephrase that... The G5 will not make it's debut at MWSF 2002...
I'd love to believe otherwise but most rational signs point to a 1.x Ghz G4 line-up and the latest rev of the iMac plus status updates to X and additional talk about "Apples Digital Revolution" (iPod etc).
Would I L-O-V-E to see a tablet? Sure!
Would I L-O-V-E to see a 'video iPod'? Sure!
Would I L-O-V-E to see some wireless T1 speed access for all Apple users worldwide? Sure!
Would I L-O-V-E to see G5's? Sure!
Would I L-O-V-E to see AppleTIVO Set Top HDTV Boxes? Sure!
Would I L-O-V-E to see Mac OS X 10.2? Sure!
Will we? I really don't think so...
So long as you don't believe the hype you'll be a much happier person.
<strong>Apple System Profiler was not installed. I did not bother installing it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This one line tells me this whole post is BS...
First comes human nature... Don't open that box Johnny... What do you think the first thing little Johnny does..
Next comes the geek factor... What self respecting computer geek wouldn't do his or her level headed best to find out what some Apple branded hermetically sealed box had ticking inside it.
Finally comes the SUPER geek factor... A gaggle of code hackers recompile a company app and get a 6x to 8x performance pop and NOBODY was tempted to use all of the software tools they could get their hands on to see what may or may not be inside?
Sorry, but nobody could ever convince me this report was for real...
Kinda like giving a race car pit crew a new car to test and it drives 6x to 8x as fast as any other car the've ever tested or seen before.. If you don't think these guys would use every diagnostic tool in their pit to figure out what was going on under the hood you're nuts...
Sorry, but nobody could ever convince me this report was for real...
Pit crews and Programmers LIVE for speed!
Dave</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not inclined to believe the poster either, but your reasoning is sort of silly. He said he wouldn't state anything false - but would be vague.
What makes me skeptical is not the performance boost - which is kind of hard to really judge since we don't even know what kind of app this is. I'm skeptical about the tone. It doesn't sound like someone who has an incredibly good grasp on programming - not that I do, but the whole post seemed a little simplistic. Part of the guise? Dunno.
And why would Apple send out a protoype box without telling people what is inside - what's the point? If, for instance, they were manfucaturing both hardware AND software, wouldn't it be sort of necessary to get inside the box to plug something in if needed? Or do they have special boxes for different developers?
<strong>hoping for G-5, mostly so it is a lock that the iMacs get a G4, but, as mentioned before, a sealed box with a Quad G-4 running at 1.2 or 1.4 mhz would probably 6-8 times the output of a dual 800 mhz G4 and, "here's the kicker", would be more likely to have no problems nor need any modifications than a new chip like the G-5....g
so this poster could be real and still we would know if G-5 is coming or not...</strong><hr></blockquote>
4 G4s at 1.4 MHz will result in 6-8x the output of a dual 800 MHz G4...what are you smoking? <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
and go to yahoo then, alias wavefront and download the free screen saver it is very cool.What do you think about the VirtualPC and of course the info. on the developer units?
Go to yahoo and type motorola mpc 8500 and scroll down to <a href="http://www.pugglewump"; target="_blank">www.pugglewump</a> etc. it wont go the way I listed..sorry about that.
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As most people know how have read my posts, I go by my gut. And only my gut. So, I don't have any insider info. What I can tell you is that if you look at everything that there is, it makes sense of a G5 rollout. The extra time, the moved up date, G4 has been out for 2 years, a (almost) definate iMac, etc etc.
As much as I want to believe what he says, he doesn't seem creditible (because of one thing). I just think that his speed bump is a little outragious. Other than that, I think his words have merit.
<strong>For you and me both, friend.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Same here as well.
I think not. Unless our friend Mastergateing is capable of using different writing styles, which I seriously doubt, seeing how he couldn't even edit a post.
<strong>The only thing of real value he gave us is 6-8 speed bump, the rest is all "we tested an opaque box" blah blah. I think he's exaggerating, but then so is Jobs with his one-sided PS tests, nothing new really. What it probably means is a machine twice the overall speed of current equavalent cpu. </strong><hr></blockquote>
There are a number of circumstances in which that sort of speed-up would be possible (although not typical of device performance). Firstly is the case of a program which fits into the 512KB cache of the propsed G5, but not the 256KB of the G4, for certain styles of programme this can give tenfold speed-up on a same speed processor. Another possibility is a seriously bandwidth limited programme if the new device has dual-channel DDR333 memory it could get up to 5 times the memory bandwidth of current G4 machines. Another possibility is that the new compiler has good auto-vectorisation.
None of this means the poster is correct, just that it cannot be ruled as incorrect on the basis of that figure, note, also, that the machines that may be sent out to testers are almost certainly not the same as will be released to the public, they will run at different speeds, may have different memory systems etc..
Michael
<strong>For what its worth, As The Apple Turns is stating that there will absolutely and positively be no G5 at MWSF in January. Tune your expectations a few notches lower.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, but they said that because according to a stoopid typo - the G5 was available second-hand as of today: December. Which of couse, it isn't.
AFA MasterGating is concerned, he was a social hack, he pulled the same thing a few months back when he said Steve Jobs was going to give us something to name our children after ... mastergator or not, the truth is, we still don't know if the G5 is going to make it or not ... all we know for sure is that - at very least - we'll get Apollo processors.
Current G4 bus, 133mhz. G5 bus 266-400mhz (2x-3x). There is an easy 3x performance increase, the mac is very bus starved.
Current G4 ram, 133mhz. G5 ram 266-400mhz DDR (2-3x). Another big boost.
Peripheral card manufacturer? Perhaps the PCI bus got a major boost (PCI-X?). Perhaps the AGP slot is now at 8x AGP. Perhaps its using the rumored aqua accelerator that raycer were going to make, thus removing a substancial load from the G5 processor (99%?
Altivec 2. This is a 2-4x boost in altivec speed. I have this on good knowledge, and can't say anything else.
Also, how much of boost does 64bit give? I don't know, maybe none in this task (which leads to the question: and whats that...).
Overall I don't see it being hard to achieve a 6-8x speed boost with the much faster components listed above. As amazing as a 6-8x boost sounds like
JK!!! (I don't want anyone to loose a job)
Hope it's running OS X.
I'd love to believe otherwise but most rational signs point to a 1.x Ghz G4 line-up and the latest rev of the iMac plus status updates to X and additional talk about "Apples Digital Revolution" (iPod etc).
Would I L-O-V-E to see a tablet? Sure!
Would I L-O-V-E to see a 'video iPod'? Sure!
Would I L-O-V-E to see some wireless T1 speed access for all Apple users worldwide? Sure!
Would I L-O-V-E to see G5's? Sure!
Would I L-O-V-E to see AppleTIVO Set Top HDTV Boxes? Sure!
Would I L-O-V-E to see Mac OS X 10.2? Sure!
Will we? I really don't think so...
So long as you don't believe the hype you'll be a much happier person.
Dave
GOod job!
<strong>Apple System Profiler was not installed. I did not bother installing it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This one line tells me this whole post is BS...
First comes human nature... Don't open that box Johnny... What do you think the first thing little Johnny does..
Next comes the geek factor... What self respecting computer geek wouldn't do his or her level headed best to find out what some Apple branded hermetically sealed box had ticking inside it.
Finally comes the SUPER geek factor... A gaggle of code hackers recompile a company app and get a 6x to 8x performance pop and NOBODY was tempted to use all of the software tools they could get their hands on to see what may or may not be inside?
Sorry, but nobody could ever convince me this report was for real...
Kinda like giving a race car pit crew a new car to test and it drives 6x to 8x as fast as any other car the've ever tested or seen before.. If you don't think these guys would use every diagnostic tool in their pit to figure out what was going on under the hood you're nuts...
Pit crews and Programmers LIVE for speed!
Dave
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Sorry, but nobody could ever convince me this report was for real...
Pit crews and Programmers LIVE for speed!
Dave</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not inclined to believe the poster either, but your reasoning is sort of silly. He said he wouldn't state anything false - but would be vague.
What makes me skeptical is not the performance boost - which is kind of hard to really judge since we don't even know what kind of app this is. I'm skeptical about the tone. It doesn't sound like someone who has an incredibly good grasp on programming - not that I do, but the whole post seemed a little simplistic. Part of the guise? Dunno.
And why would Apple send out a protoype box without telling people what is inside - what's the point? If, for instance, they were manfucaturing both hardware AND software, wouldn't it be sort of necessary to get inside the box to plug something in if needed? Or do they have special boxes for different developers?
Ok. Anyway, time will tell.
<strong>hoping for G-5, mostly so it is a lock that the iMacs get a G4, but, as mentioned before, a sealed box with a Quad G-4 running at 1.2 or 1.4 mhz would probably 6-8 times the output of a dual 800 mhz G4 and, "here's the kicker", would be more likely to have no problems nor need any modifications than a new chip like the G-5....g
so this poster could be real and still we would know if G-5 is coming or not...</strong><hr></blockquote>
4 G4s at 1.4 MHz will result in 6-8x the output of a dual 800 MHz G4...what are you smoking? <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
and go to yahoo then, alias wavefront and download the free screen saver it is very cool.What do you think about the VirtualPC and of course the info. on the developer units?