<strong>Actually it could be an issue. If I decided to buy it instead of a PM it could be exactly that that held me back.
Is there 802.11 PCI cards?</strong><hr></blockquote>
do you even own a rack...
what kind of grfx chip is in it? all i can see is that it's an 'ati'... also you can't seem to purchase it on an edu discount? i guess large educational institutions work their own deals...
These servers look pretty sweet. Those specs in a PowerMac would be nice. Obviously now its clear the G4 supports DDR, so either it is a newer G4 version, new mobo, or Apple is just shady as hell. Ultra ATA100, and is that FireWire 2 I see? I say if we get these features i a G5 it will be great.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have downloaded the PDF description of the server, and unfortunately it is the old G4 with the lame 133 mhz SDRAM bus. The DDR memory is only useffull for DMA acess of the I/O architecture. BTW 4 channel HD : it's rock, the maximum data performance is 266 MB/sec for this system compared to 160 MB/sec for U160
<strong>Actually it could be an issue. If I decided to buy it instead of a PM it could be exactly that that held me back.
Is there 802.11 PCI cards?</strong><hr></blockquote>
There is no need f or that : buy an airborne connect it to the Xserve via the ethernet and you will have a pretty lame network : 11 Mbyte compared to the gigabit ethernet <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>Oh btw....is Radeon 8500 overkill for the rack mount server??? </strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]<strong>Using Xserve as a rackmount workstation</strong>
Digital video professionals who are thinking of using Xserve as a rackmount workstation can get built-to-order units from the Apple Store. You can add to the capabilities of your Xserve by installing PCI cards (for connecting to SCSI storage and backup devices) in its expansion slots. You get three expansion slots which accommodate peripheral component interconnect (PCI) cards. And if you order your unit with an AGP 4X card, your Xserve will come with the card installed in an AGP riser that fits in a PCI slot.<hr></blockquote>
You can also get OS X as a BTO option rather than Server for this purpose.
The fact that the bus is still the same speed while the RAM is DDR makes we to strangle Motorola. Now we know where the real problem was in the slow adoption of DDR. Fvcking bastards.
Poor Apple. Getting shafted by Motorola again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again......
I think its great, even for a "render farm". if you want an 8 or 4 CPU it won't be a 1U. I would like to see that sort of form factor (but vertical) on a pMac. And uhh.... where is the G5???Is this still the apollo G4 or a new incarnation???I wonder if apple has resolved the heating problems with DDR in a TiBook? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
...and by the way, these servers are way too expensive (for www/file server)! Apple is not listening to our needs - something in between $1400 - 1900 would be justifiable.
The Apple server is much more powerfull : chips and HD controller, gigaethernet ....There is no comparison possible. even the rack itself is of much more quality according to the pictures.
Suns hardware is pretty good for the price, but to be fair it doesn't have anywhere near the features of the Xserve. The Sun systems don't include any PCI or AGP slots, no firewire, no 1000BT ethernet, a weak processor (with no dual option), a tiny cache and room for only two hard disk drives (not hot-pluggable).
That isn't to say that Apple shouldn't have pursued the lower end market with a less expensive configuration, but to compare the two isn't really realistic.
The Apple server is much more powerfull : chips and HD controller, gigaethernet ....There is no comparison possible. even the rack itself is of much more quality according to the pictures.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The keyboard is 'entry level.' Yes, the Apple servers are more powerful - but where are the benchmarks? Apple always gave us benchmarks of their new cpu but where are they now?
<strong>Suns hardware is pretty good for the price, but to be fair it doesn't have anywhere near the features of the Xserve. The Sun systems don't include any PCI or AGP slots, no firewire, no 1000BT ethernet, a weak processor (with no dual option), a tiny cache and room for only two hard disk drives (not hot-pluggable).
That isn't to say that Apple shouldn't have pursued the lower end market with a less expensive configuration, but to compare the two isn't really realistic.</strong><hr></blockquote>
True but when we consider a www server, the difference wouldn't be that great. For a file server/app server/load server - the Xserve would be excellent.
The keyboard is 'entry level.' Yes, the Apple servers are more powerful - but where are the benchmarks? Apple always gave us benchmarks of their new cpu but where are they now?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think that many people here are waiting for the benchmarks. But the benchmarks of a server hare a way different from photoshop filters. The test deals with the numbers of transaction per second the server can make with different numbers of macs. It will be fun to see the difference of performance in this situation between the dualie xserver and the dualie power mac server. In that way , we will see if this new architecture will bring something better.
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<strong>VGA? I guess we can not use Apple displays... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
you're obviously in the market for a rack server...
Is there 802.11 PCI cards?
[quote]Actually it could be an issue. If I decided to buy it instead of a PM it could be exactly that that held me back.
Is there 802.11 PCI cards?<hr></blockquote>
Buy a base station.
<strong>Actually it could be an issue. If I decided to buy it instead of a PM it could be exactly that that held me back.
Is there 802.11 PCI cards?</strong><hr></blockquote>
do you even own a rack...
what kind of grfx chip is in it? all i can see is that it's an 'ati'... also you can't seem to purchase it on an edu discount? i guess large educational institutions work their own deals...
wow.
[ 05-14-2002: Message edited by: janitor ]</p>
<strong>Damn, you beat me to it.
These servers look pretty sweet. Those specs in a PowerMac would be nice. Obviously now its clear the G4 supports DDR, so either it is a newer G4 version, new mobo, or Apple is just shady as hell. Ultra ATA100, and is that FireWire 2 I see? I say if we get these features i a G5 it will be great.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have downloaded the PDF description of the server, and unfortunately it is the old G4 with the lame 133 mhz SDRAM bus. The DDR memory is only useffull for DMA acess of the I/O architecture. BTW 4 channel HD : it's rock, the maximum data performance is 266 MB/sec for this system compared to 160 MB/sec for U160
<strong>Actually it could be an issue. If I decided to buy it instead of a PM it could be exactly that that held me back.
Is there 802.11 PCI cards?</strong><hr></blockquote>
There is no need f or that : buy an airborne connect it to the Xserve via the ethernet and you will have a pretty lame network : 11 Mbyte compared to the gigabit ethernet <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Oh btw....is Radeon 8500 overkill for the rack mount server??? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
[ 05-14-2002: Message edited by: Leonis ]</p>
<strong>Oh btw....is Radeon 8500 overkill for the rack mount server???
[quote]<strong>Using Xserve as a rackmount workstation</strong>
Digital video professionals who are thinking of using Xserve as a rackmount workstation can get built-to-order units from the Apple Store. You can add to the capabilities of your Xserve by installing PCI cards (for connecting to SCSI storage and backup devices) in its expansion slots. You get three expansion slots which accommodate peripheral component interconnect (PCI) cards. And if you order your unit with an AGP 4X card, your Xserve will come with the card installed in an AGP riser that fits in a PCI slot.<hr></blockquote>
You can also get OS X as a BTO option rather than Server for this purpose.
[ 05-14-2002: Message edited by: Belle ]</p>
Poor Apple. Getting shafted by Motorola again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again......
Jet
<strong>AND NO AIRPORT :eek: <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
...why would you want airport on a server?
[ 05-14-2002: Message edited by: /mandolux/ ]</p>
:-!
[ 05-14-2002: Message edited by: /mandolux/ ]</p>
<strong>Check this out from Sun Micro: <a href="http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?cid=60268"; target="_blank">entry level 1U servers!</a>
[ 05-14-2002: Message edited by: /mandolux/ ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Apple server is much more powerfull : chips and HD controller, gigaethernet ....There is no comparison possible. even the rack itself is of much more quality according to the pictures.
today has been an extremely sad day in regards to intelligence at AI today.
That isn't to say that Apple shouldn't have pursued the lower end market with a less expensive configuration, but to compare the two isn't really realistic.
<strong>
The Apple server is much more powerfull : chips and HD controller, gigaethernet ....There is no comparison possible. even the rack itself is of much more quality according to the pictures.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The keyboard is 'entry level.' Yes, the Apple servers are more powerful - but where are the benchmarks? Apple always gave us benchmarks of their new cpu but where are they now?
<strong>Suns hardware is pretty good for the price, but to be fair it doesn't have anywhere near the features of the Xserve. The Sun systems don't include any PCI or AGP slots, no firewire, no 1000BT ethernet, a weak processor (with no dual option), a tiny cache and room for only two hard disk drives (not hot-pluggable).
That isn't to say that Apple shouldn't have pursued the lower end market with a less expensive configuration, but to compare the two isn't really realistic.</strong><hr></blockquote>
True but when we consider a www server, the difference wouldn't be that great. For a file server/app server/load server - the Xserve would be excellent.
<strong>
The keyboard is 'entry level.' Yes, the Apple servers are more powerful - but where are the benchmarks? Apple always gave us benchmarks of their new cpu but where are they now?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think that many people here are waiting for the benchmarks. But the benchmarks of a server hare a way different from photoshop filters. The test deals with the numbers of transaction per second the server can make with different numbers of macs. It will be fun to see the difference of performance in this situation between the dualie xserver and the dualie power mac server. In that way , we will see if this new architecture will bring something better.