<strong>Ha, I use Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, GoLive, Dreamweaver, Flash, Final Cut Pro, and anything else I need at the moment on a 500 MHz iBook. If you have an 800 MHz PowerBook, I doubt it will be much of a problem.
The only thing I can't do well is play graphically intensive games.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You say you "Use" those apps... but do you make your living with them...? Is your primary income derived from being a designer...? The reason I ask is that someone (like myself) who needs to rely on those applications and the hardware running them on a daily basis... the scrutiny is a bit different.
I have a friend who owns a TiBook... and it's cool & all... but I would never design on it. The built-in display is still not good enough for design and when you run an external CRT off of the PowerBook... it does not "look right" to me... maybe it's "interpolation" of the resolutions or something... but it just doesn't look "right" to me.
Until I can run a display that suits my design needs right from the PowerBook itself... I (personally) would not deem it acceptable to run as a "Pro design station". Again... that's just MY opinion... I know that some people DO use it for full-time design... just not me.
<strong>The only downfall to using your powerbook as a desktop is the lack of a dock it can be a pain to plug everything in every time you come home.
Other than that as you can see a lot of people do it and I will be doing it shortly. AS SOON AS SOME COMPANY COMES OUT WITH A DOCK FOR THE DA** THING </strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course there's a dock. It's not hard to find either.
Anyway, I though I would need to dock it all the time, too, when I switched from the tower. Now, I can't even remember the last time I hooked up to my viewsonic 19". I think I might actually sell it to the person that bought my old tower.
Only buy a potable if you need it to be portable. A $2500 laptop runs at about half the speed of a $2500 desktop.
I've used a Pismo 400 and a iMac 400. At Dc projects, the Pismo is a little slower, but in actual use, like Internet and typing, the P{ismo is much much slower.
Scott F can you please explain me what do you mena that "it doesn't look right when you use a CRT monitor with the powerbook." ??? I'm a graphic designer myself and I want to buy a new powerbook and use it as my main machine with some assistance also from my iMacDV400.
If hooking it to an external monitor doesn't work well please tell me so cause I don't want to waste my money
<strong>Scott F can you please explain me what do you mena that "it doesn't look right when you use a CRT monitor with the powerbook." ??? I'm a graphic designer myself and I want to buy a new powerbook and use it as my main machine with some assistance also from my iMacDV400.
If hooking it to an external monitor doesn't work well please tell me so cause I don't want to waste my money</strong><hr></blockquote>
He's talking out of his ass. It's identical to hooking up to a tower. He knows not what he says. There is no reason the crt would look any different hooked up to a powerbook g4 then if it was hooked up to a tower.
He might be talking about using them in tandem, in which case it is distracting. Usind an lcd and crt together is always distracting since the lcd is so razor sharp compared to the crt.
Anyway, I'd hate to work with a designer convinced that he sees a difference between two identical images. Talk about a headache!
He's talking out of his ass. It's identical to hooking up to a tower. He knows not what he says. There is no reason the crt would look any different hooked up to a powerbook g4 then if it was hooked up to a tower.
He might be talking about using them in tandem, in which case it is distracting. Usind an lcd and crt together is always distracting since the lcd is so razor sharp compared to the crt.
Anyway, I'd hate to work with a designer convinced that he sees a difference between two identical images. Talk about a headache!
What's with the "talking out the ass" comment...? Have YOU seen a CRT hooked-up to a PowerBook and running...? I personally HAVE and it is NOT the same as hooking it up to a tower. The video card that comes in a PowerBook is NOT the same as a tower's card.
Don't be such a know-it-all.
To be more specific... at ALL resolutions other than 800 x 600... the screen had an "anti-aliased" look to it... similar to when you run a TFT display in a mode OTHER than it's native resolution... everything looks as if it has a blur to it.
"Anyway, I'd hate to work with a designer convinced that he sees a difference between two identical images. Talk about a headache!"
<strong>Scott F can you please explain me what do you mena that "it doesn't look right when you use a CRT monitor with the powerbook." ??? I'm a graphic designer myself and I want to buy a new powerbook and use it as my main machine with some assistance also from my iMacDV400.
If hooking it to an external monitor doesn't work well please tell me so cause I don't want to waste my money</strong><hr></blockquote>
Your "Best" bet is to find someone who OWNS one and physically try hooking it up yourself to see if it meets YOUR needs. The last time I tried using an external with a PowerBook was just before the TiBook came out... but I tried it with 3 (THREE) other Pismo Books and the CRT display was unusable on all three (different) machines... (all high-end models).
EDIT:
My friend uses a TiBook with a CRT and it still looks "fuzzy" to me... but I've only seen it in passing... have not had a chance to sit with it for an hour and put it through it's paces and try different video settings.
What's with the "talking out the ass" comment...? Have YOU seen a CRT hooked-up to a PowerBook and running...? I personally HAVE and it is NOT the same as hooking it up to a tower. The video card that comes in a PowerBook is NOT the same as a tower's card.
[QB]<hr></blockquote>
Um...I have seen it, considering about three posts above I revealed that I own both, as well as a g4 tower. I also own a digital projector, which is the most revealing since you can see that black lines dividing the pixels, and it is quite easy to see, esspecially with lines one pixel wide, that the colors are entirely confined to each square.
You seem to have the idea that the card has a native resolution equal to the display, and when it displays other resolutions it is "translating" it through that resolution (I know it sounds strange, but it's your idea, not mine). Not true. When you select 1920x1200, the monitor is displaying it at on the screen 1920x1200, and anything to do with the built-in disply is irrelevant. I'm still guessing that the reason it looks so blurry to you is because you're comparing it to the lcd.
Sorry about the talking out of your ass comment; I was inappropriate. My intent was simply to stress to phobos that you opinion is in no way based on the actual physical operations of the machines. I understand the worry that can accompany expensive purchases and it doesn't help when people confuse you by giving untrue information. We are not talking about opinions here, this is purely technical.
And, yes, it would be a headache to work with someone who can't see that two identical images are the same.
i used a quadra 840av for YEARS and decided to get an ibook..
big mistake...
i soon realised that the very convenience factor of a portable was its biggest bugbear..
like a midin system vs a seperates system.. when a componenet goes down , you lose the whole thing . My keyboard is badly messed and if I had bought a seperates system - it would have been a piece of cake to add a new keyboard / mouse / display etc..
if you want affordabilty / upgradeability / performance / peace of mind etc dont buy a portable...!
Just "spoke" with (emailed) my friend who owns the first rev TiBook... he is NOT a designer.. he is an Information Architect and uses mostly text-based apps... and he uses his TiBook in "Mirror" mode at work with a 17" CRT. He finds it acceptable to work on.
Again... be advised... my earlier posts saying that a CRT running off of a PowerBook looks bad was based on the CRT acting as a SECOND monitor, NOT mirroring the PowerBook's screen... thus needing the video card to support BOTH screens simultaneously as individual displays. This may have been what made it look so terrible. No way to be sure... I do not have a PowerBook of my own.
It's gonna be very dissapointing if the image quality drops if you use expanding.I hope the new powerbooks don't have these kind of problems.
I'll have to check it out my self and see what's happening.In the meanwhile if someone has a new powerbook can he post his experiences with a CRT expanding?Thanks in advance
<strong>See scott, now you went and confused him. That's what I was hoping to avoid. Was trying to save face really worth it?
PS Phobos, what he is talking about is physically impossible. Read up on vram and you'll see. Just buy the damn thing and enjoy.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Dude... why are you being such a dick...? I wasn't "saving face" as you implied... I was trying to shed light on the SPECIFICS of my experience. And what (pray tell) is physically impossible about what I said...? If it IS physically impossible, then I am a DEMI-GOD capable of breaking the laws of physics...
Dude... stop trying to be "right"... what happened for me HAPPENED... deal with it... it's no fluke and the entire design department witnessed and had identical comments. So stop being so closed minded and self-righteous. If he gets one... he gets one... if it works... it works... GREAT! Stop trying to "prove" me wrong...
<strong>Only buy a potable if you need it to be portable. A $2500 laptop runs at about half the speed of a $2500 desktop.
I've used a Pismo 400 and a iMac 400. At Dc projects, the Pismo is a little slower, but in actual use, like Internet and typing, the P{ismo is much much slower.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You probably need to turn off Processor Cycling on the laptop.
Sure it can replace a desktop, but the question is is it worth the price? I currently think no. You can get a stock 933G4 with a Geforce4Ti, and a 17inch LCD, and a stock low-end iBook, or almost or less than the price of a tricked out PB800, 1GB, 60GB. (I was going on education pricing, too lazy to check it with normal, expect the it to be the same however unless Apple discounts PM more than PB's) Depending on airport bastation and such. So its really not worth it.
if you are real heavy duty graphics designer then i would say get a PowerMac and a ibook for travel etc. Of course you already bought the TiBook 800.
Now given that you are using a 350 G3 in 2002 I would guess you are not a big serious graphics designer and I think the Powerbook will do just fine for you. I just bought the 550 in January. It runs Photoshop Illustrator and Go live great in X. I can't imagine how much better the 800 will make it.
So have fun on the couch surfing the web or working on yoru web page.
PS The titanium will get you chicks or guys (depending on your tastes) The PowerMac sits at home where no one can see it.
I am what you could call a graphics "professional" since I have done freelance work for serious enterprises, though I have never been a full time graphics artist slash 3D-wonk.
I have several machines:
1 - really tweaked out 7500 with custom motherboard alterations and everything. This is my "fun" machine. (I'm an EE student)
2 - 400Mhz Yosemite. Used for various things.
3 - Toshiba Satellite something-er-another. Used to deal with MS SQL Server work that I got a lot of until people started wising up and dumping IIS.
4 - PowerBook G4/500. One of the first. I use it as my main computer, and it does almost everything well, except the screen size is kind of small for graphics. OK, though, since I am not a full-time graphics pro by any means.
The Yosemite is currently in the majority possesion of my mother, and it stays in DC. The PowerBook goes where I go, the other two are more sedentary.
I'm thinking about upgrading my line up over the next six to nine months: selling 7500, selling broken thinkpad (not included), selling Yosemite, giving mother the TiBook, repairing damaged Quicksilver parts and piecing together my own rackmount , and lastly buying the MWSF Powerbook. I'll also buy a 2nd monitor, probably a 15" LCD or something.
That combo should be good enough to suit all of my needs.
<strong>I have a TiBook 500MHz that I got right after it was released. It IS a complete desktop replacement. Plus, with an airport card I got for $50 and a cheap wireless base station from 3com, I am on the internet on the couch, in my bedroom, just about anywhere I want! I just have to plug in every once in a while when batteries get low. And at work, it hooks up to a 17" Studio Display (CRT). Plus, I put OS X on it March 24th of 2001 and it has been working well with it since (better now that I have DVD playback). I love instant-on from sleep! One warning: having a laptop means that you can use your computer too much, especially when it comes to Starcraft, which I recently got the "complete" edition of from WalMart. It sucks all the time out of your day without remorse.
Matthew</strong><hr></blockquote>
Aside from the 17" CRT (My ASD 17 is on the Yosemite in DC) I think I could have written the exact same paragraph on ALL ACCOUNTS.
If you're ever on battlenet, I'm Splinemodel there too.
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<strong>Ha, I use Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, GoLive, Dreamweaver, Flash, Final Cut Pro, and anything else I need at the moment on a 500 MHz iBook. If you have an 800 MHz PowerBook, I doubt it will be much of a problem.
The only thing I can't do well is play graphically intensive games.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You say you "Use" those apps... but do you make your living with them...? Is your primary income derived from being a designer...? The reason I ask is that someone (like myself) who needs to rely on those applications and the hardware running them on a daily basis... the scrutiny is a bit different.
I have a friend who owns a TiBook... and it's cool & all... but I would never design on it. The built-in display is still not good enough for design and when you run an external CRT off of the PowerBook... it does not "look right" to me... maybe it's "interpolation" of the resolutions or something... but it just doesn't look "right" to me.
Until I can run a display that suits my design needs right from the PowerBook itself... I (personally) would not deem it acceptable to run as a "Pro design station". Again... that's just MY opinion... I know that some people DO use it for full-time design... just not me.
- Scott
<strong>The only downfall to using your powerbook as a desktop is the lack of a dock it can be a pain to plug everything in every time you come home.
Other than that as you can see a lot of people do it and I will be doing it shortly. AS SOON AS SOME COMPANY COMES OUT WITH A DOCK FOR THE DA** THING
Of course there's a dock. It's not hard to find either.
Anyway, I though I would need to dock it all the time, too, when I switched from the tower. Now, I can't even remember the last time I hooked up to my viewsonic 19". I think I might actually sell it to the person that bought my old tower.
I've used a Pismo 400 and a iMac 400. At Dc projects, the Pismo is a little slower, but in actual use, like Internet and typing, the P{ismo is much much slower.
If hooking it to an external monitor doesn't work well please tell me so cause I don't want to waste my money
<strong>Scott F can you please explain me what do you mena that "it doesn't look right when you use a CRT monitor with the powerbook." ??? I'm a graphic designer myself and I want to buy a new powerbook and use it as my main machine with some assistance also from my iMacDV400.
If hooking it to an external monitor doesn't work well please tell me so cause I don't want to waste my money</strong><hr></blockquote>
He's talking out of his ass. It's identical to hooking up to a tower. He knows not what he says. There is no reason the crt would look any different hooked up to a powerbook g4 then if it was hooked up to a tower.
He might be talking about using them in tandem, in which case it is distracting. Usind an lcd and crt together is always distracting since the lcd is so razor sharp compared to the crt.
Anyway, I'd hate to work with a designer convinced that he sees a difference between two identical images. Talk about a headache!
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He's talking out of his ass. It's identical to hooking up to a tower. He knows not what he says. There is no reason the crt would look any different hooked up to a powerbook g4 then if it was hooked up to a tower.
He might be talking about using them in tandem, in which case it is distracting. Usind an lcd and crt together is always distracting since the lcd is so razor sharp compared to the crt.
Anyway, I'd hate to work with a designer convinced that he sees a difference between two identical images. Talk about a headache!
[ 05-20-2002: Message edited by: giant ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Excuse me...??? Do I know you...?
What's with the "talking out the ass" comment...? Have YOU seen a CRT hooked-up to a PowerBook and running...? I personally HAVE and it is NOT the same as hooking it up to a tower. The video card that comes in a PowerBook is NOT the same as a tower's card.
Don't be such a know-it-all.
To be more specific... at ALL resolutions other than 800 x 600... the screen had an "anti-aliased" look to it... similar to when you run a TFT display in a mode OTHER than it's native resolution... everything looks as if it has a blur to it.
"Anyway, I'd hate to work with a designer convinced that he sees a difference between two identical images. Talk about a headache!"
What the heck is THAT supposed to mean...?
<strong>Scott F can you please explain me what do you mena that "it doesn't look right when you use a CRT monitor with the powerbook." ??? I'm a graphic designer myself and I want to buy a new powerbook and use it as my main machine with some assistance also from my iMacDV400.
If hooking it to an external monitor doesn't work well please tell me so cause I don't want to waste my money</strong><hr></blockquote>
Your "Best" bet is to find someone who OWNS one and physically try hooking it up yourself to see if it meets YOUR needs. The last time I tried using an external with a PowerBook was just before the TiBook came out... but I tried it with 3 (THREE) other Pismo Books and the CRT display was unusable on all three (different) machines... (all high-end models).
EDIT:
My friend uses a TiBook with a CRT and it still looks "fuzzy" to me... but I've only seen it in passing... have not had a chance to sit with it for an hour and put it through it's paces and try different video settings.
[QB]
Excuse me...??? Do I know you...?
What's with the "talking out the ass" comment...? Have YOU seen a CRT hooked-up to a PowerBook and running...? I personally HAVE and it is NOT the same as hooking it up to a tower. The video card that comes in a PowerBook is NOT the same as a tower's card.
[QB]<hr></blockquote>
Um...I have seen it, considering about three posts above I revealed that I own both, as well as a g4 tower. I also own a digital projector, which is the most revealing since you can see that black lines dividing the pixels, and it is quite easy to see, esspecially with lines one pixel wide, that the colors are entirely confined to each square.
You seem to have the idea that the card has a native resolution equal to the display, and when it displays other resolutions it is "translating" it through that resolution (I know it sounds strange, but it's your idea, not mine). Not true. When you select 1920x1200, the monitor is displaying it at on the screen 1920x1200, and anything to do with the built-in disply is irrelevant. I'm still guessing that the reason it looks so blurry to you is because you're comparing it to the lcd.
Sorry about the talking out of your ass comment; I was inappropriate. My intent was simply to stress to phobos that you opinion is in no way based on the actual physical operations of the machines. I understand the worry that can accompany expensive purchases and it doesn't help when people confuse you by giving untrue information. We are not talking about opinions here, this is purely technical.
And, yes, it would be a headache to work with someone who can't see that two identical images are the same.
big mistake...
i soon realised that the very convenience factor of a portable was its biggest bugbear..
like a midin system vs a seperates system.. when a componenet goes down , you lose the whole thing . My keyboard is badly messed and if I had bought a seperates system - it would have been a piece of cake to add a new keyboard / mouse / display etc..
if you want affordabilty / upgradeability / performance / peace of mind etc dont buy a portable...!
Again... be advised... my earlier posts saying that a CRT running off of a PowerBook looks bad was based on the CRT acting as a SECOND monitor, NOT mirroring the PowerBook's screen... thus needing the video card to support BOTH screens simultaneously as individual displays. This may have been what made it look so terrible. No way to be sure... I do not have a PowerBook of my own.
I'll have to check it out my self and see what's happening.In the meanwhile if someone has a new powerbook can he post his experiences with a CRT expanding?Thanks in advance
PS Phobos, what he is talking about is physically impossible. Read up on vram and you'll see. Just buy the damn thing and enjoy.
<strong>See scott, now you went and confused him. That's what I was hoping to avoid. Was trying to save face really worth it?
PS Phobos, what he is talking about is physically impossible. Read up on vram and you'll see. Just buy the damn thing and enjoy.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Dude... why are you being such a dick...? I wasn't "saving face" as you implied... I was trying to shed light on the SPECIFICS of my experience. And what (pray tell) is physically impossible about what I said...? If it IS physically impossible, then I am a DEMI-GOD capable of breaking the laws of physics...
Dude... stop trying to be "right"... what happened for me HAPPENED... deal with it... it's no fluke and the entire design department witnessed and had identical comments. So stop being so closed minded and self-righteous. If he gets one... he gets one... if it works... it works... GREAT! Stop trying to "prove" me wrong...
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<strong>Only buy a potable if you need it to be portable. A $2500 laptop runs at about half the speed of a $2500 desktop.
I've used a Pismo 400 and a iMac 400. At Dc projects, the Pismo is a little slower, but in actual use, like Internet and typing, the P{ismo is much much slower.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You probably need to turn off Processor Cycling on the laptop.
if you are real heavy duty graphics designer then i would say get a PowerMac and a ibook for travel etc. Of course you already bought the TiBook 800.
Now given that you are using a 350 G3 in 2002 I would guess you are not a big serious graphics designer and I think the Powerbook will do just fine for you. I just bought the 550 in January. It runs Photoshop Illustrator and Go live great in X. I can't imagine how much better the 800 will make it.
So have fun on the couch surfing the web or working on yoru web page.
PS The titanium will get you chicks or guys (depending on your tastes) The PowerMac sits at home where no one can see it.
I have several machines:
1 - really tweaked out 7500 with custom motherboard alterations and everything. This is my "fun" machine. (I'm an EE student)
2 - 400Mhz Yosemite. Used for various things.
3 - Toshiba Satellite something-er-another. Used to deal with MS SQL Server work that I got a lot of until people started wising up and dumping IIS.
4 - PowerBook G4/500. One of the first. I use it as my main computer, and it does almost everything well, except the screen size is kind of small for graphics. OK, though, since I am not a full-time graphics pro by any means.
The Yosemite is currently in the majority possesion of my mother, and it stays in DC. The PowerBook goes where I go, the other two are more sedentary.
I'm thinking about upgrading my line up over the next six to nine months: selling 7500, selling broken thinkpad (not included), selling Yosemite, giving mother the TiBook, repairing damaged Quicksilver parts and piecing together my own rackmount
That combo should be good enough to suit all of my needs.
<strong>I have a TiBook 500MHz that I got right after it was released. It IS a complete desktop replacement. Plus, with an airport card I got for $50 and a cheap wireless base station from 3com, I am on the internet on the couch, in my bedroom, just about anywhere I want! I just have to plug in every once in a while when batteries get low. And at work, it hooks up to a 17" Studio Display (CRT). Plus, I put OS X on it March 24th of 2001 and it has been working well with it since (better now that I have DVD playback). I love instant-on from sleep! One warning: having a laptop means that you can use your computer too much, especially when it comes to Starcraft, which I recently got the "complete" edition of from WalMart. It sucks all the time out of your day without remorse.
Matthew</strong><hr></blockquote>
Aside from the 17" CRT (My ASD 17 is on the Yosemite in DC) I think I could have written the exact same paragraph on ALL ACCOUNTS.
If you're ever on battlenet, I'm Splinemodel there too.