I definitely agree with you and apologize for prematurely jumping to unethical conclusions. However, the lure of getting something for nothing strongly appealed to me. I am 18, getting my Student ID number tomorrow at Advisement Day at my college, but I do not plan to major in computer science.
<strong>I definitely agree with you and apologize for prematurely jumping to unethical conclusions. However, the lure of getting something for nothing strongly appealed to me. I am 18, getting my Student ID number tomorrow at Advisement Day at my college, but I do not plan to major in computer science.
[quote]anyways, the registration process isn't that easy I believe. they do require college ID, you must be over 18, you must be in a computer major I believe, etc.<hr></blockquote>
I believe that they don't require you to be a computer major anymore though.
I in no way endorse the abuse of this. I jiust think that if you qualify for this the savings are worth knowing about.
When you go to the Apple Store online for education yeah. But when you WALK INTO the UCLA Apple Store they are at this price. Please do not argue with me on what I paid for my Powerbook. It's really pointless and I have no reason to lie to you.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Really! Well, I stand corrected then. No offense, I hope.
But, wow, doesn't this seem odd? I wonder what stream these low-priced machines are coming through. It apparently isn't the same stream as the on-line educational one (where supply must be larger and fresher, but are still $500 more, eh?), and not the same stream that includes the major US retailers (where the largest retailer of them all paid $2900 wholesale for the (500+) 800's they now have). But, it may be the same as those cheap ones showing up on ebay. (Of course, a question not yet asked is whether or not this is a beginning of a dumping of inventory....)
Bodhi: have you checked/compared your specs completely? There was a thread some time ago, where someone holding a 667 discovered (or believed?) that their version had been stripped at manufacture slightly, I think it had to do with a reduction in the cache, etc.... It's just puzzling that an equal machine can be SO much less than any other available.
If anyone has an insight to the pricing structure involved here, I'd sure be interested.
<strong>I don't understand ADC at all. From what I read, the systems come with no warrantee at all and ship within 4-6 weeks?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Go to the Genius bar and read the topic about ADC program fine print that should answer most questions about the program. Yes 4-6 weeks, but I think that part about the warantee is wrong.
It does say that Apple requires a copy of a Student ID and a copy of a schedule which includes "developer-related" courses.
If it weren't for the part about developer-related courses, I'd be signing up for my membership right now...the 667's start at $1999.
Anyone know how stringent they are about checking that stuff out at ADC? I've never been asked for proof of enrollment ordering from Apple's Education Store online (however, the retail stores always make a copy of my ID).
Really! Well, I stand corrected then. No offense, I hope.
But, wow, doesn't this seem odd? I wonder what stream these low-priced machines are coming through. It apparently isn't the same stream as the on-line educational one (where supply must be larger and fresher, but are still $500 more, eh?), and not the same stream that includes the major US retailers (where the largest retailer of them all paid $2900 wholesale for the (500+) 800's they now have). But, it may be the same as those cheap ones showing up on ebay. (Of course, a question not yet asked is whether or not this is a beginning of a dumping of inventory....)
Bodhi: have you checked/compared your specs completely? There was a thread some time ago, where someone holding a 667 discovered (or believed?) that their version had been stripped at manufacture slightly, I think it had to do with a reduction in the cache, etc.... It's just puzzling that an equal machine can be SO much less than any other available.
If anyone has an insight to the pricing structure involved here, I'd sure be interested.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple often drops prices and product in the education channel before an update or when they need to move product. This is an educational institution, a huge University. I don't think they are selling faulty or illegal product. They are also a certified apple reseller.
Before the last Powerbook revision this happened. Before the last Power Mac revision this happened. Before the last iBook revision this happened. Apparantly they got about 500 Powerbooks dumped on them by Apple...ironically it was about a week before the end of the quarter. Nothing like clearing 500 Powerbooks out of the channel before the end of a bad quarter.
[quote]Really! Well, I stand corrected then. No offense, I hope.
But, wow, doesn't this seem odd? I wonder what stream these low-priced machines are coming through. It apparently isn't the same stream as the on-line educational one (where supply must be larger and fresher, but are still $500 more, eh?), and not the same stream that includes the major US retailers (where the largest retailer of them all paid $2900 wholesale for the (500+) 800's they now have). But, it may be the same as those cheap ones showing up on ebay. (Of course, a question not yet asked is whether or not this is a beginning of a dumping of inventory....)
Bodhi: have you checked/compared your specs completely? There was a thread some time ago, where someone holding a 667 discovered (or believed?) that their version had been stripped at manufacture slightly, I think it had to do with a reduction in the cache, etc.... It's just puzzling that an equal machine can be SO much less than any other available.
If anyone has an insight to the pricing structure involved here, I'd sure be interested.
<hr></blockquote>
readthereadme,
you are an idiot, not all colleges get the same discount, UCLA gets about the same prices as the ADC discounts...like many other Universities that have worked deals with Apple. For example Texas education majors have to buy a ibook and get like $1000 off of it. But since your dumbass has never heard of it I guess that does not exist. I have seen those prices on Apples ADC site but they are not what my school (Baylor) has. All education students get a discount, but some get bigger ones. The point is stop posting your stupid know-it-all messages about the prices being impossible when you can view them yourself on apples site. You are annoying.
you are an idiot, not all colleges get the same discount, UCLA gets about the same prices as the ADC discounts...like many other Universities that have worked deals with Apple. For example Texas education majors have to buy a ibook and get like $1000 off of it. But since your dumbass has never heard of it I guess that does not exist. I have seen those prices on Apples ADC site but they are not what my school (Baylor) has. All education students get a discount, but some get bigger ones. The point is stop posting your stupid know-it-all messages about the prices being impossible when you can view them yourself on apples site. You are annoying.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Annoying because you are not grasping it, I think. You may need to wind down a little -- or save it for someone more likely to be affected by it.
The fact is, the online UCLA store shows the prices for these machines to be more than $400 more than what is apparently available if you walk in -- and that price more than $500 less than the discount retailers, and more than $600 off list. $600 off of a $2500 item is a significant discount -- especially for newest release of a flagship product. And, are we to believe that it's cheaper for them to sell it in the store than online? (BTW, this is not related to ADC, since there is no qualifying involved other than being a student, as I understand it, and it's all cash and carry -- or at least no 4 to 6 week wait.) And, this doesn't begin to explain these same very low prices being offered by the ebay pre-sellers, who are neither ADC, nor Education-related.
And, Bodhi, I didn't mean to imply that UCLA was selling hot, or faulty, or seconds computers. I'm just connecting it to something I had heard of in the past: that Apple may have produced variations of processor speed models (like the 667) where they make minor tweeks in mid-release to bring down their costs. I'm only trying to find an explanation for the easy-to-get low prices, not suggesting that you have an inferior machine. I'm sure it's great. Again, no offense meant. You got a great deal.
It seems that there is a new supply of lower-cost Powerbooks being made available to relatively small-order retailers, which is making me wonder if there is a new version in the wings.
Annoying because you are not grasping it, I think. You may need to wind down a little -- or save it for someone more likely to be affected by it.
The fact is, the online UCLA store shows the prices for these machines to be more than $400 more than what is apparently available if you walk in -- and that price more than $500 less than the discount retailers, and more than $600 off list. $600 off of a $2500 item is a significant discount -- especially for newest release of a flagship product. And, are we to believe that it's cheaper for them to sell it in the store than online? (BTW, this is not related to ADC, since there is no qualifying involved other than being a student, as I understand it, and it's all cash and carry -- or at least no 4 to 6 week wait.) And, this doesn't begin to explain these same very low prices being offered by the ebay pre-sellers, who are neither ADC, nor Education-related.
And, Bodhi, I didn't mean to imply that UCLA was selling hot, or faulty, or seconds computers. I'm just connecting it to something I had heard of in the past: that Apple may have produced variations of processor speed models (like the 667) where they make minor tweeks in mid-release to bring down their costs. I'm only trying to find an explanation for the easy-to-get low prices, not suggesting that you have an inferior machine. I'm sure it's great. Again, no offense meant. You got a great deal.
It seems that there is a new supply of lower-cost Powerbooks being made available to relatively small-order retailers, which is making me wonder if there is a new version in the wings.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Did you ever think that maybe you are just reading into this a little too much? It's rather simple. Apple doesn't make different Powerbooks for education. Its simple: Apple wanted a bunchof Powerbooks off of their books and out of inventory before the end of the quarter.
Did you ever think that maybe you are just reading into this a little too much? It's rather simple. Apple doesn't make different Powerbooks for education. Its simple: Apple wanted a bunchof Powerbooks off of their books and out of inventory before the end of the quarter.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You know, maybe your right -- that might be all there is to it. If that's true, then I'd expect that their biggest resellers would also be getting the cheaper inventory, which apparently they are not. It seems strangest to me that the lowest prices are only coming from the smallest resellers. (A friend who works at a large online store was amazed at the prices we are now seeing, which are hundreds of dollars less than they paid for them.)
And to clarify, I've never meant to propose that the Education Powerbooks (specifically) were different, or substandard. But I have heard claims that as different production waves are released, Apple sometimes alters the contents in order to reduce their costs. I wasn't saying that they dumped them only on the Education market, or even that they were substandard -- just less expensive.
I don't want to add fuel to the fire but I went to the UCLA store to check out the prices, and sure enough, they are selling them for $1899 and $2499 (I wanted to see if I could manage to get one at those prices but it didn't work.) I talked to the salesman there and he told me that they bought a lot of education models and that they are just trying to unload their inventory. Now, I'm not sure what he meant by "education" , but there might be some very small discrepencies in the models. Someone should probably look into it. I think someone should do some tests on education vs. standard machines. Again, I'm not taking sides, just giving the facts.
<strong>I probably wouldn't hesitate if the iBook had a G4 in it. That would be ideal. Having something that portable with a G4..
Yeah, I'm sure the dorm room will be small as hell. I'm gonna need to buy a TV for that b*tch too. Kinda a lot to take my big bulky 19" CRT and my dual gigger with me, I wouldn't have much room for it. I guess I'll wait and see what's up with the G4s. 1 GHz & 64 MB graphics would probably make me budge.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you already have a dual gigger, then look into getting an LCD panel monitor. That saves a ton of deskspace, and you can stash the keyboard in the top drawer. Plus, it's a lot cheaper than getting a new powerbook, which won't be of a lo tof use to you unless you have a lot of labs.
Something also for collegiates to think about, aside FROM THE ONE TIME, 20% discount for student ADC members.
-Student ADC means you get jaguar for free, which will cost more than the $100 price of ADC.
-Look into becoming the APPLE STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE for your college if you're really gung-ho about Apple. My friend Dan is the rep at Princeton, and he gets some nice discounts, plus ADC for free. It's also a paying job, and I'd guess it's about 6 hours a week or so of work. He also gets to go to Seybold and the like for free, but the plane tickets are NOT free.
They dont dump them into MacMall because Apple is not about to sell their laptops at $600 off to the general public. Selling them to STUDENTS in SCHOOLS where Apple has a LARGE MARKET SHARE and in hopes of the kid getting hooked and buying Macs for YEARS TO COME makes sense to me.
My god why don't you get this??? My POwerbook has an 800MHz G4. My Powerbook has 512mb of RAM. My Powerbook is made of Titanium and has an APPLE Airport card. My Powerbook has a Firewire port...if you don't notice yet: THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER POWERBOOK 800 ANYWHERE!!!
My god why don't you get this??? My POwerbook has an 800MHz G4. My Powerbook has 512mb of RAM. My Powerbook is made of Titanium and has an APPLE Airport card. My Powerbook has a Firewire port...if you don't notice yet: THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER POWERBOOK 800 ANYWHERE!!![/QB]<hr></blockquote>
Please! Calm down. I've never thought that Powerbook was anything other than first rate. I'm not trying to argue with you. I got into this trying to understand why 800 DVI's were being sold new, on ebay for under $2500 -- in relatively large orders. This has been taken way off track.
-Look into becoming the APPLE STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE for your college if you're really gung-ho about Apple. My friend Dan is the rep at Princeton, and he gets some nice discounts, plus ADC for free. It's also a paying job, and I'd guess it's about 6 hours a week or so of work. He also gets to go to Seybold and the like for free, but the plane tickets are NOT free.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Interesting idea. I am an incoming freshman so how would one go about doing so?
Please! Calm down. I've never thought that Powerbook was anything other than first rate. I'm not trying to argue with you. I got into this trying to understand why 800 DVI's were being sold new, on ebay for under $2500 -- in relatively large orders. This has been taken way off track.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You were confusing the ones on eBay with what Apple sells in the education channel. The ones on eBay? Who the hell knows. I sell a lot on eBay but I do not buy, I don't trust it. Especially with the Morris and Co. or whoever that company was called...they took all kinds of money and never delivered. That happens way too often on eBay and you are stuck. PayPal and eBay really do not help you. My rule of thumb is...unless its an Apple authorized reseller, if it's too good to be true..it probably is.
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[ 07-25-2002: Message edited by: ShawnPatrickJoyce ]</p>
<strong>I definitely agree with you and apologize for prematurely jumping to unethical conclusions. However, the lure of getting something for nothing strongly appealed to me. I am 18, getting my Student ID number tomorrow at Advisement Day at my college, but I do not plan to major in computer science.
[ 07-25-2002: Message edited by: ShawnPatrickJoyce ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
well it's worth a shot but when you asked about signing up family members I couldn't help but roll my eyes
I think the lack of a computer major may be a problem though.
I believe that they don't require you to be a computer major anymore though.
I in no way endorse the abuse of this. I jiust think that if you qualify for this the savings are worth knowing about.
[ 07-25-2002: Message edited by: pyr3 ]</p>
<strong>
When you go to the Apple Store online for education yeah. But when you WALK INTO the UCLA Apple Store they are at this price. Please do not argue with me on what I paid for my Powerbook. It's really pointless and I have no reason to lie to you.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Really! Well, I stand corrected then. No offense, I hope.
But, wow, doesn't this seem odd? I wonder what stream these low-priced machines are coming through. It apparently isn't the same stream as the on-line educational one (where supply must be larger and fresher, but are still $500 more, eh?), and not the same stream that includes the major US retailers (where the largest retailer of them all paid $2900 wholesale for the (500+) 800's they now have). But, it may be the same as those cheap ones showing up on ebay. (Of course, a question not yet asked is whether or not this is a beginning of a dumping of inventory....)
Bodhi: have you checked/compared your specs completely? There was a thread some time ago, where someone holding a 667 discovered (or believed?) that their version had been stripped at manufacture slightly, I think it had to do with a reduction in the cache, etc.... It's just puzzling that an equal machine can be SO much less than any other available.
If anyone has an insight to the pricing structure involved here, I'd sure be interested.
<strong>I don't understand ADC at all. From what I read, the systems come with no warrantee at all and ship within 4-6 weeks?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Go to the Genius bar and read the topic about ADC program fine print that should answer most questions about the program. Yes 4-6 weeks, but I think that part about the warantee is wrong.
[ 07-25-2002: Message edited by: BrDoc ]</p>
<strong>
I believe that they don't require you to be a computer major anymore though.
I in no way endorse the abuse of this. I jiust think that if you qualify for this the savings are worth knowing about.
[ 07-25-2002: Message edited by: pyr3 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
It does say that Apple requires a copy of a Student ID and a copy of a schedule which includes "developer-related" courses.
If it weren't for the part about developer-related courses, I'd be signing up for my membership right now...the 667's start at $1999.
Anyone know how stringent they are about checking that stuff out at ADC? I've never been asked for proof of enrollment ordering from Apple's Education Store online (however, the retail stores always make a copy of my ID).
-S
<strong>
Really! Well, I stand corrected then. No offense, I hope.
But, wow, doesn't this seem odd? I wonder what stream these low-priced machines are coming through. It apparently isn't the same stream as the on-line educational one (where supply must be larger and fresher, but are still $500 more, eh?), and not the same stream that includes the major US retailers (where the largest retailer of them all paid $2900 wholesale for the (500+) 800's they now have). But, it may be the same as those cheap ones showing up on ebay. (Of course, a question not yet asked is whether or not this is a beginning of a dumping of inventory....)
Bodhi: have you checked/compared your specs completely? There was a thread some time ago, where someone holding a 667 discovered (or believed?) that their version had been stripped at manufacture slightly, I think it had to do with a reduction in the cache, etc.... It's just puzzling that an equal machine can be SO much less than any other available.
If anyone has an insight to the pricing structure involved here, I'd sure be interested.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple often drops prices and product in the education channel before an update or when they need to move product. This is an educational institution, a huge University. I don't think they are selling faulty or illegal product. They are also a certified apple reseller.
Before the last Powerbook revision this happened. Before the last Power Mac revision this happened. Before the last iBook revision this happened. Apparantly they got about 500 Powerbooks dumped on them by Apple...ironically it was about a week before the end of the quarter. Nothing like clearing 500 Powerbooks out of the channel before the end of a bad quarter.
But, wow, doesn't this seem odd? I wonder what stream these low-priced machines are coming through. It apparently isn't the same stream as the on-line educational one (where supply must be larger and fresher, but are still $500 more, eh?), and not the same stream that includes the major US retailers (where the largest retailer of them all paid $2900 wholesale for the (500+) 800's they now have). But, it may be the same as those cheap ones showing up on ebay. (Of course, a question not yet asked is whether or not this is a beginning of a dumping of inventory....)
Bodhi: have you checked/compared your specs completely? There was a thread some time ago, where someone holding a 667 discovered (or believed?) that their version had been stripped at manufacture slightly, I think it had to do with a reduction in the cache, etc.... It's just puzzling that an equal machine can be SO much less than any other available.
If anyone has an insight to the pricing structure involved here, I'd sure be interested.
<hr></blockquote>
readthereadme,
you are an idiot, not all colleges get the same discount, UCLA gets about the same prices as the ADC discounts...like many other Universities that have worked deals with Apple. For example Texas education majors have to buy a ibook and get like $1000 off of it. But since your dumbass has never heard of it I guess that does not exist. I have seen those prices on Apples ADC site but they are not what my school (Baylor) has. All education students get a discount, but some get bigger ones. The point is stop posting your stupid know-it-all messages about the prices being impossible when you can view them yourself on apples site. You are annoying.
<strong>
readthereadme,
you are an idiot, not all colleges get the same discount, UCLA gets about the same prices as the ADC discounts...like many other Universities that have worked deals with Apple. For example Texas education majors have to buy a ibook and get like $1000 off of it. But since your dumbass has never heard of it I guess that does not exist. I have seen those prices on Apples ADC site but they are not what my school (Baylor) has. All education students get a discount, but some get bigger ones. The point is stop posting your stupid know-it-all messages about the prices being impossible when you can view them yourself on apples site. You are annoying.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Annoying because you are not grasping it, I think. You may need to wind down a little -- or save it for someone more likely to be affected by it.
The fact is, the online UCLA store shows the prices for these machines to be more than $400 more than what is apparently available if you walk in -- and that price more than $500 less than the discount retailers, and more than $600 off list. $600 off of a $2500 item is a significant discount -- especially for newest release of a flagship product. And, are we to believe that it's cheaper for them to sell it in the store than online? (BTW, this is not related to ADC, since there is no qualifying involved other than being a student, as I understand it, and it's all cash and carry -- or at least no 4 to 6 week wait.) And, this doesn't begin to explain these same very low prices being offered by the ebay pre-sellers, who are neither ADC, nor Education-related.
And, Bodhi, I didn't mean to imply that UCLA was selling hot, or faulty, or seconds computers. I'm just connecting it to something I had heard of in the past: that Apple may have produced variations of processor speed models (like the 667) where they make minor tweeks in mid-release to bring down their costs. I'm only trying to find an explanation for the easy-to-get low prices, not suggesting that you have an inferior machine. I'm sure it's great. Again, no offense meant. You got a great deal.
It seems that there is a new supply of lower-cost Powerbooks being made available to relatively small-order retailers, which is making me wonder if there is a new version in the wings.
<strong>
Annoying because you are not grasping it, I think. You may need to wind down a little -- or save it for someone more likely to be affected by it.
The fact is, the online UCLA store shows the prices for these machines to be more than $400 more than what is apparently available if you walk in -- and that price more than $500 less than the discount retailers, and more than $600 off list. $600 off of a $2500 item is a significant discount -- especially for newest release of a flagship product. And, are we to believe that it's cheaper for them to sell it in the store than online? (BTW, this is not related to ADC, since there is no qualifying involved other than being a student, as I understand it, and it's all cash and carry -- or at least no 4 to 6 week wait.) And, this doesn't begin to explain these same very low prices being offered by the ebay pre-sellers, who are neither ADC, nor Education-related.
And, Bodhi, I didn't mean to imply that UCLA was selling hot, or faulty, or seconds computers. I'm just connecting it to something I had heard of in the past: that Apple may have produced variations of processor speed models (like the 667) where they make minor tweeks in mid-release to bring down their costs. I'm only trying to find an explanation for the easy-to-get low prices, not suggesting that you have an inferior machine. I'm sure it's great. Again, no offense meant. You got a great deal.
It seems that there is a new supply of lower-cost Powerbooks being made available to relatively small-order retailers, which is making me wonder if there is a new version in the wings.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Did you ever think that maybe you are just reading into this a little too much? It's rather simple. Apple doesn't make different Powerbooks for education. Its simple: Apple wanted a bunchof Powerbooks off of their books and out of inventory before the end of the quarter.
<strong>
Did you ever think that maybe you are just reading into this a little too much? It's rather simple. Apple doesn't make different Powerbooks for education. Its simple: Apple wanted a bunchof Powerbooks off of their books and out of inventory before the end of the quarter.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You know, maybe your right -- that might be all there is to it. If that's true, then I'd expect that their biggest resellers would also be getting the cheaper inventory, which apparently they are not. It seems strangest to me that the lowest prices are only coming from the smallest resellers. (A friend who works at a large online store was amazed at the prices we are now seeing, which are hundreds of dollars less than they paid for them.)
And to clarify, I've never meant to propose that the Education Powerbooks (specifically) were different, or substandard. But I have heard claims that as different production waves are released, Apple sometimes alters the contents in order to reduce their costs. I wasn't saying that they dumped them only on the Education market, or even that they were substandard -- just less expensive.
These are the exact same machines.
Now shut up.
<strong>I probably wouldn't hesitate if the iBook had a G4 in it. That would be ideal. Having something that portable with a G4..
Yeah, I'm sure the dorm room will be small as hell.
If you already have a dual gigger, then look into getting an LCD panel monitor. That saves a ton of deskspace, and you can stash the keyboard in the top drawer. Plus, it's a lot cheaper than getting a new powerbook, which won't be of a lo tof use to you unless you have a lot of labs.
-Student ADC means you get jaguar for free, which will cost more than the $100 price of ADC.
-Look into becoming the APPLE STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE for your college if you're really gung-ho about Apple. My friend Dan is the rep at Princeton, and he gets some nice discounts, plus ADC for free. It's also a paying job, and I'd guess it's about 6 hours a week or so of work. He also gets to go to Seybold and the like for free, but the plane tickets are NOT free.
My god why don't you get this??? My POwerbook has an 800MHz G4. My Powerbook has 512mb of RAM. My Powerbook is made of Titanium and has an APPLE Airport card. My Powerbook has a Firewire port...if you don't notice yet: THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER POWERBOOK 800 ANYWHERE!!!
My god why don't you get this??? My POwerbook has an 800MHz G4. My Powerbook has 512mb of RAM. My Powerbook is made of Titanium and has an APPLE Airport card. My Powerbook has a Firewire port...if you don't notice yet: THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER POWERBOOK 800 ANYWHERE!!![/QB]<hr></blockquote>
Please! Calm down. I've never thought that Powerbook was anything other than first rate. I'm not trying to argue with you. I got into this trying to understand why 800 DVI's were being sold new, on ebay for under $2500 -- in relatively large orders. This has been taken way off track.
<strong>
-Look into becoming the APPLE STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE for your college if you're really gung-ho about Apple. My friend Dan is the rep at Princeton, and he gets some nice discounts, plus ADC for free. It's also a paying job, and I'd guess it's about 6 hours a week or so of work. He also gets to go to Seybold and the like for free, but the plane tickets are NOT free.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Interesting idea. I am an incoming freshman so how would one go about doing so?
<strong>
Please! Calm down. I've never thought that Powerbook was anything other than first rate. I'm not trying to argue with you. I got into this trying to understand why 800 DVI's were being sold new, on ebay for under $2500 -- in relatively large orders. This has been taken way off track.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You were confusing the ones on eBay with what Apple sells in the education channel. The ones on eBay? Who the hell knows. I sell a lot on eBay but I do not buy, I don't trust it. Especially with the Morris and Co. or whoever that company was called...they took all kinds of money and never delivered. That happens way too often on eBay and you are stuck. PayPal and eBay really do not help you. My rule of thumb is...unless its an Apple authorized reseller, if it's too good to be true..it probably is.