I'm not a Sony or Blu Ray hater. It's just format that is expensive where it doesn't have to be. That's why I oppose it being the chosen format.
Don't forget the Toshiba HD-XA1 is feature identical to the A1, but costs $800. Your cost comparisons have always been a bit contrived. The Blu-ray products that are priced at $1000 aren't built with off-the-shelf PC components and they are more feature rich...they SHOULD cost more.
Meanwhile Sony comes out with a Blu-ray Disc player that happens to also play video games (that's what the PS3 is at this point) for $600, and suddenly a $100 gap is like the Grand Canyon...
Based on features alone, would you buy an $800 Toshiba HD-XA1 or a $600 Sony Playstation 3?
No, it won't. $600 is out of reach for the typical family who doesn't even own an HD capable television.
Somehow I don't think your "typical" family is going to win the format wars, or even play a role.
An overwhelming proportion of "main" tvs sold now are HDTVs and its a growing market. Furthermore you are assuming that's a stagnant target price. It'll drop with time as next gen movie formats are picking up adoption and allow Blu-Ray greater penetration with time, that's what this is about, building market share for Blu-Ray. This is not a console for a moment, it'll see out 5 or 6 years of life. It's going to have a similar lifespan to the PS and PS2.
The PS3 will push Blu-Ray players into a lot of homes that wouldn't have otherwise considered a next gen player. Do you then expect them to go out and spend at least another $500 on an independent HD movie player? Obviously not everyone is going to use the PS3 for playback but there'll be enough that it'll make a difference. The console will heavily outsell dedicated players and at some point the people that have bought it will raise the question, new independent player or PS3? In a cash strapped world which do you think will win?
None of this is touching on the topic of with built in wifi and ethernet the PS3 could very well become a media hub for sharing content too. It may be one of the first players out that actually supports managed copy.
This is not a console for a moment, it'll see out 5 or 6 years of life. It's going to have a similar lifespan to the PS and PS2.
You're partially right. At this point it's no longer a console. It's too far out of financial reach to be considered a console. It's a general multimedia device with game support like the 3DO was.
The primary buyer of the PS3 is going the hardcore Playstation gamer who is ready to dive headfirst into the world of Blu-ray. The secondary buyer is the person looking for a Blu-ray disc player. The tertiary buyer is going to be the average gamer, and I think Sony lost sight of this when they decided to marry the PS3 to Blu-ray.
The world in which people are paying $3+ per gallon.
Heheha, take the bus, problem solved.
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The world in which $500 for game consoles is almost untenable for many.
And $500 is tenable for a standalone player supported by one company? Maybe only to you. Consumers expect to pay more for game consoles than they do for standalone players, especially when we are talking about mass consumer adoption. Usually when you see standalone players reach the $100 to $200 price point do you see mass adoption of hardware, but for a gaming console that ALSO happens to play movies, the price point is higher.
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The world in which yammering about studio support glazes peoples eyes over.
Your eyes, as you know as well as I do, content is king. Majority support from hardware companies helps too. Face it man, content and hardware support is not just something you can ignore, but as we see, you choose to as it doesn't justify your argument--one that is getting weaker and weaker as time passes on.
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Marzetta7 you blu ray fans have been wrong on just about everything. Again the media is subsidized by Sony whilst HD-DVD doesn't require subsidy to be affordable.
Umm, have you been reading the news lately? Keeping up with this thread have you? Check and see who has been wrong on just about everything, no 50GB discs ring a bell? No managed copy spark a bulb? No 100GB discs? Blu-ray discs more expensive? Studios defecting to HD DVD? Have you noticed a pattern here, yeah, you've been wrong on all these points. It's always those pesky facts that will slice through your FUD like butta.
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I'm not a Sony or Blu Ray hater. It's just format that is expensive where it doesn't have to be. That's why I oppose it being the chosen format.
Expensive to whom, once again? A couple extra bucks that the manufacturer has to fork over? As we've stated time and time again, cost to the consumer will be the same as HD DVD as it pertains to disk. Your poor argument regarding hardware doesn't have feet either as we all know we are in an early adoption market and standalone Blu-ray players are priced just like DVD players were when they were first released. Moreover, since the PS3 has matched your Toshiba standalone player price point of $499, somehow this doesn't apply either. Only if standalone players and gaming consoles lived in their own seperate vacuum. So once again, you are choosing the HD DVD format, why? To save manufacturers more money? I can care less if manufacturers save a buck, as long as we are getting a well priced product, and I feel that is evident with advent of the PS3 which will in turn cause the other standalone Blu-ray players to come down from their initial "cream of the crop" price tags.
I'm not assuming either. I'm being realistic when I say that the 4 million proposed PS3s will sell out and thereby implant built-in Blu-ray plaback to millions of homes worldwide. Even if "everyone" doesn't want Blu-ray or HD DVD, when those 4 million PS3s sell, they will already have Blu-ray. Get it? And for the majority of those who purchase the PS3, most will not likely go out and buy a standalone Blu-ray player, they'll just stick to their PS3 for movies.
I understand that there will be a built in 'Blu-Ray' market from those that buy the PS3. The problem is, however, not everyone buying a PS3 will want the PS3 to watch Blu-Ray movies. HD Movies are still going to be a very small market until the majority of Americans have HDTVs. That's probably 5-6 years away.
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What it appears you assume is that consoles live in a neat compartamentalized black box, supposing to be gaming machines first and media centers second. I know of many who will be purchasing the PS3 for both--Games and Movies--equally or for more preferably a cheaper alternative to other Blu-ray movie players in this early adoption HD market. I think the PS3 is Sony's first step out of the paradigm you and others try to keep it in which is a device strictly for games. I see a lot of good things that will come from this, not to mention Blu-ray format dominance.
I have a PSP. It's supposed to be a gaming handheld first and a media center second. Guess what? *It is*. Can I put movies on a memory stick and watch them? Yes. Do I? *No.* Can I buy UMD movies and watch them? Yes. Do I? *No*. Can I put Music, pictures, and other media onto a memory stick to listen or look at them later? Yes. Do I? *No*. GPS, Web Browsing, watching TV via 802.11, and every other feature on the PSP to make it a 'media center' are used by a very small percentage of the user base. Heck, I don't doubt that the only reason some people with PSPs have upgraded beyond Firmware 1.5 was that Grand Theft Auto required it.
Consoles are for games first and everything else second. You buy a console because you want to play the next Metal Gear Solid, Metroid, or Halo, not because you want to watch Mission Impossible 3 in High Definition. Is it an added bonus that you can watch movies in HD? Sure. But will the majority of the market use their consoles for that purpose? No. We've seen the PS3 media center and it's just not happening.
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That's just it though, the $299 or the $399 Xbox 360 models are not 'next gen' without the HD DVD add-on drive which will drive the cost up another $125+. And, by then, you might as well just spend an exrtra $50 to $75 or save $25 to $50--depending on what Xbox model we're talking about and how much the add-on will be--more for the $499 PS3 that has 7 out of the 8 major movie studios providing movies for it.
I have a 360, it's a 'next gen' gaming console. Do games look a hell of a lot better on a HDTV? Of course. There is a limit to what Standard TVs can do. But do games on the 360 look better on a standard TV than games on the original Xbox? I think that they do. The 360 also has extra 'next gen' features such as a better online service (Xbox Live arcade, well managed content downloads), the wireless controllers are great, and you still have those 'media PC' type options that you mention above (I don't use them here either).
The main purpose of the Xbox 360 is to play games, I think we can agree on that. That being said, how does the lack of a HD-DVD drive change that? The HD-DVD drive is optional because Microsoft didn't want to cram it down everyone's throats. So while it means HD-DVD doesn't get the market share, the 360 will. MS wants the 360 to gain market share while Sony wants Blu-Ray to gain market share, it's 2 completely different strategies.
Heck, the Nintendo Wii (Revolution) doesn't have any kind of High Definition movie drive. Does that mean it's not 'next gen' too?
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Moreover, even if you don't have a HDTV, people are going to buy the new console for new content--games and movies. Content will be most assuredly be a factor in the format war, and with more content on the Blu-ray train, HD DVD better step off the tracks as it's coming through.
Madden 2007 is coming out for PS3, Wii, Xbox 360, and the 'last gen' consoles. What 'special' content is going to take up the other 20 GB of space on that Blu-Ray disk? What content will we be missing out on since the standard disks in the Wii and 360 won't have that much storage space? I'm betting we don't miss out on much.
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From what I understand this worldwide launch is even bigger than Microsoft's worldwide launch so they ought to be in better shape than Microsoft was at launch assuming there are no major setbacks at launch like Microsoft's chip shortages. I think 4 million consoles before December 31st will be quite good, and regardless if their black or silver, they're going to sell out, no doubt in my mind.
I never questioned that they would sell out, I even said it would be extremely hard to find. This is going to push people into the 360 camp this Christmas because people don't want to go away empty handed.
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How does one pull features for a device that didn't really have any concrete specs until now? Sounds like you are just trying to find something to complain about.
There were 2 HDMI ports on the back of the PS3 pictures that Sony originally released and Sony had maintained, until yesterday, that the PS3s would have dual HDMI out ports. To not even have one on the lower end PS3 will prevent people who have a HDTV but can't find a $600 PS3 from buying one.
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I totally have to disagree with your last paragraph. I think a lot of Microsoft customers will be miffed when they find out that they have to fork over yet more money for yet another add-on when they thought they were getting the whole enchilada with the $399 model. Not so, and if we look at past add-on drives, sales of such add-ons are not very successful. I believe the Dreamcast or some other gaming console had a DVD add-on drive (someone correct me if I'm wrong about the Dreamcast of if it was some other console), which lets just say didn't light the world on fire and I expect the 360 HD DVD add-on to meet the same fate. Heck, with all the various add-ons, your 360 will probably resemble an octupus.
The Dreamcast never had a DVD add on drive. Sony's hype machine was what killed the DC despite the fact that Sega had superior games and totally outclassed the PS2 at launch. But Sony was able to appeal to people with DVD playback. People could see the difference between DVDs and VHS on their standard TVs back then and it was enough to push the PS2 over the top. The circumstances are different now, however, since people won't see the difference from Blu-Ray or HD-DVD without a HDTV. Sony also tried to market the DC as a competitor to the PS1 and N64, despite the fact that the Dreamcast games were more polished and online before the PS2 even hit store shelves.
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I think Sony's move to include the Blu-ray drive is a stellar one, and one that will pay off as more content is provided for the format and with HDTVs getting cheaper and cheaper, has the capability now and in the future to sell. Not to mention the fact that home users will want seamlessness with their PCs and/or Macs at home, and again with Blu-ray with the majority of players in the IT realm as well, it's not just a matter of if HD DVD will fail but a matter of when. I say HD DVD will be around a year and will go down as the next DIVX format.
I think there is little doubt that Sony is placing all of their eggs in one basket here. They want Blu-Ray to succeed and are willing to go so far as to put their dominance of the console world in jeopardy. Nintendo has a unique system coming out that looks like it will appeal to a large audience. The people I'm talking to seem to all want a Wii, thinking it will be cheap to buy, and are trying to decide between a 360 or a PS3. After talking to them after the conferences last night and earlier today, people who were really gung ho about the PS3 are now leaning towards the 360.
I really think that Sony might have really made a mistake with their $600 price tag. Yes, the consoles will initially all sell out and we'll probably see an installed world wide user base of 5 million at the end of January 2007. But the real question is, how many more people will be that anxious to drop $500 or $600 on what is primarily going to be used as a gaming console? It will be interesting to see.
i to am seeing lots and lots of folks jumping to the 360 even if they still haven't decided on the ps3.
the 360 just looks so good right now. it has some great games out, lots more coming in just a few months, and the price point at 400? i mean thats nice.
best online play around, what else do u want? like reallY?
grand theft auto 4 has been announced for both the 360 and ps3.
what does the ps3 truly have ? MGS4 yippie.... thts it.
even though the PS3 will release at $500 & 600, i'm sure the plan is to make some profits during the initial release and then drop the price (at a loss) to get the saturation they want once blu-ray content is really out in full force...
even though the PS3 will release at $500 & 600, i'm sure the plan is to make some profits during the initial release and then drop the price (at a loss) to get the saturation they want once blu-ray content is really out in full force...
they are taking such a huge hit as is. i cant imagine them dropping the price for a godo while.
i to am seeing lots and lots of folks jumping to the 360 even if they still haven't decided on the ps3.
the 360 just looks so good right now. it has some great games out, lots more coming in just a few months, and the price point at 400? i mean thats nice.
best online play around, what else do u want? like reallY?
grand theft auto 4 has been announced for both the 360 and ps3.
what does the ps3 truly have ? MGS4 yippie.... thts it.
May 11, 2004, Gran Turismo was announced for the PSP. A movie was shown, it was incredible, much like the movie shown on Monday for Gran Turismo HD.
Guess what? Here we are almost 2 years to the day that the game was first shown to us and we know *nothing* about it.
At E3 2005, PSP gamers were looking to see the advances Sony had made and possibly get a release date. It was not even at the show.
So now it's E3 2006 and once again, the game is missing in action. Sony won't comment on the status of the game or give any indication on when it might see the light of day.
That's why I have no faith in Sony delivering a new Gran Turismo any time soon.
There were 2 HDMI ports on the back of the PS3 pictures that Sony originally released and Sony had maintained, until yesterday, that the PS3s would have dual HDMI out ports. To not even have one on the lower end PS3 will prevent people who have a HDTV but can't find a $600 PS3 from buying one.
My 360 doesn't have an HDMI port on the back and it works just fine with my HDTV.
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Originally posted by hmurchison
I'm not a Sony or Blu Ray hater. It's just format that is expensive where it doesn't have to be. That's why I oppose it being the chosen format.
Don't forget the Toshiba HD-XA1 is feature identical to the A1, but costs $800. Your cost comparisons have always been a bit contrived. The Blu-ray products that are priced at $1000 aren't built with off-the-shelf PC components and they are more feature rich...they SHOULD cost more.
Meanwhile Sony comes out with a Blu-ray Disc player that happens to also play video games (that's what the PS3 is at this point) for $600, and suddenly a $100 gap is like the Grand Canyon...
Based on features alone, would you buy an $800 Toshiba HD-XA1 or a $600 Sony Playstation 3?
nothing touches this
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...unce_small.mov
i cant wait.
Halo 3
Originally posted by Eugene
No, it won't. $600 is out of reach for the typical family who doesn't even own an HD capable television.
Somehow I don't think your "typical" family is going to win the format wars, or even play a role.
An overwhelming proportion of "main" tvs sold now are HDTVs and its a growing market. Furthermore you are assuming that's a stagnant target price. It'll drop with time as next gen movie formats are picking up adoption and allow Blu-Ray greater penetration with time, that's what this is about, building market share for Blu-Ray. This is not a console for a moment, it'll see out 5 or 6 years of life. It's going to have a similar lifespan to the PS and PS2.
The PS3 will push Blu-Ray players into a lot of homes that wouldn't have otherwise considered a next gen player. Do you then expect them to go out and spend at least another $500 on an independent HD movie player? Obviously not everyone is going to use the PS3 for playback but there'll be enough that it'll make a difference. The console will heavily outsell dedicated players and at some point the people that have bought it will raise the question, new independent player or PS3? In a cash strapped world which do you think will win?
None of this is touching on the topic of with built in wifi and ethernet the PS3 could very well become a media hub for sharing content too. It may be one of the first players out that actually supports managed copy.
Edit: Just fixing typos. Too early
Originally posted by Elixir
no matter what sony does or what other games come out
nothing touches this
No matter what, eh? Fanboy, huh?
Originally posted by Telomar
This is not a console for a moment, it'll see out 5 or 6 years of life. It's going to have a similar lifespan to the PS and PS2.
You're partially right. At this point it's no longer a console. It's too far out of financial reach to be considered a console. It's a general multimedia device with game support like the 3DO was.
The primary buyer of the PS3 is going the hardcore Playstation gamer who is ready to dive headfirst into the world of Blu-ray. The secondary buyer is the person looking for a Blu-ray disc player. The tertiary buyer is going to be the average gamer, and I think Sony lost sight of this when they decided to marry the PS3 to Blu-ray.
Originally posted by Telomar
No matter what, eh? Fanboy, huh?
for halo?
totally.
Originally posted by hmurchison
The world in which people are paying $3+ per gallon.
Heheha, take the bus, problem solved.
The world in which $500 for game consoles is almost untenable for many.
And $500 is tenable for a standalone player supported by one company? Maybe only to you. Consumers expect to pay more for game consoles than they do for standalone players, especially when we are talking about mass consumer adoption. Usually when you see standalone players reach the $100 to $200 price point do you see mass adoption of hardware, but for a gaming console that ALSO happens to play movies, the price point is higher.
The world in which yammering about studio support glazes peoples eyes over.
Your eyes, as you know as well as I do, content is king. Majority support from hardware companies helps too. Face it man, content and hardware support is not just something you can ignore, but as we see, you choose to as it doesn't justify your argument--one that is getting weaker and weaker as time passes on.
Marzetta7 you blu ray fans have been wrong on just about everything. Again the media is subsidized by Sony whilst HD-DVD doesn't require subsidy to be affordable.
Umm, have you been reading the news lately? Keeping up with this thread have you? Check and see who has been wrong on just about everything, no 50GB discs ring a bell? No managed copy spark a bulb? No 100GB discs? Blu-ray discs more expensive? Studios defecting to HD DVD? Have you noticed a pattern here, yeah, you've been wrong on all these points. It's always those pesky facts that will slice through your FUD like butta.
I'm not a Sony or Blu Ray hater. It's just format that is expensive where it doesn't have to be. That's why I oppose it being the chosen format.
Expensive to whom, once again? A couple extra bucks that the manufacturer has to fork over? As we've stated time and time again, cost to the consumer will be the same as HD DVD as it pertains to disk. Your poor argument regarding hardware doesn't have feet either as we all know we are in an early adoption market and standalone Blu-ray players are priced just like DVD players were when they were first released. Moreover, since the PS3 has matched your Toshiba standalone player price point of $499, somehow this doesn't apply either. Only if standalone players and gaming consoles lived in their own seperate vacuum. So once again, you are choosing the HD DVD format, why? To save manufacturers more money? I can care less if manufacturers save a buck, as long as we are getting a well priced product, and I feel that is evident with advent of the PS3 which will in turn cause the other standalone Blu-ray players to come down from their initial "cream of the crop" price tags.
Originally posted by gloss
And well, you know, I'm kind of a big deal.
I'm not assuming either. I'm being realistic when I say that the 4 million proposed PS3s will sell out and thereby implant built-in Blu-ray plaback to millions of homes worldwide. Even if "everyone" doesn't want Blu-ray or HD DVD, when those 4 million PS3s sell, they will already have Blu-ray. Get it? And for the majority of those who purchase the PS3, most will not likely go out and buy a standalone Blu-ray player, they'll just stick to their PS3 for movies.
I understand that there will be a built in 'Blu-Ray' market from those that buy the PS3. The problem is, however, not everyone buying a PS3 will want the PS3 to watch Blu-Ray movies. HD Movies are still going to be a very small market until the majority of Americans have HDTVs. That's probably 5-6 years away.
What it appears you assume is that consoles live in a neat compartamentalized black box, supposing to be gaming machines first and media centers second. I know of many who will be purchasing the PS3 for both--Games and Movies--equally or for more preferably a cheaper alternative to other Blu-ray movie players in this early adoption HD market. I think the PS3 is Sony's first step out of the paradigm you and others try to keep it in which is a device strictly for games. I see a lot of good things that will come from this, not to mention Blu-ray format dominance.
I have a PSP. It's supposed to be a gaming handheld first and a media center second. Guess what? *It is*. Can I put movies on a memory stick and watch them? Yes. Do I? *No.* Can I buy UMD movies and watch them? Yes. Do I? *No*. Can I put Music, pictures, and other media onto a memory stick to listen or look at them later? Yes. Do I? *No*. GPS, Web Browsing, watching TV via 802.11, and every other feature on the PSP to make it a 'media center' are used by a very small percentage of the user base. Heck, I don't doubt that the only reason some people with PSPs have upgraded beyond Firmware 1.5 was that Grand Theft Auto required it.
Consoles are for games first and everything else second. You buy a console because you want to play the next Metal Gear Solid, Metroid, or Halo, not because you want to watch Mission Impossible 3 in High Definition. Is it an added bonus that you can watch movies in HD? Sure. But will the majority of the market use their consoles for that purpose? No. We've seen the PS3 media center and it's just not happening.
That's just it though, the $299 or the $399 Xbox 360 models are not 'next gen' without the HD DVD add-on drive which will drive the cost up another $125+. And, by then, you might as well just spend an exrtra $50 to $75 or save $25 to $50--depending on what Xbox model we're talking about and how much the add-on will be--more for the $499 PS3 that has 7 out of the 8 major movie studios providing movies for it.
I have a 360, it's a 'next gen' gaming console. Do games look a hell of a lot better on a HDTV? Of course. There is a limit to what Standard TVs can do. But do games on the 360 look better on a standard TV than games on the original Xbox? I think that they do. The 360 also has extra 'next gen' features such as a better online service (Xbox Live arcade, well managed content downloads), the wireless controllers are great, and you still have those 'media PC' type options that you mention above (I don't use them here either).
The main purpose of the Xbox 360 is to play games, I think we can agree on that. That being said, how does the lack of a HD-DVD drive change that? The HD-DVD drive is optional because Microsoft didn't want to cram it down everyone's throats. So while it means HD-DVD doesn't get the market share, the 360 will. MS wants the 360 to gain market share while Sony wants Blu-Ray to gain market share, it's 2 completely different strategies.
Heck, the Nintendo Wii (Revolution) doesn't have any kind of High Definition movie drive. Does that mean it's not 'next gen' too?
Moreover, even if you don't have a HDTV, people are going to buy the new console for new content--games and movies. Content will be most assuredly be a factor in the format war, and with more content on the Blu-ray train, HD DVD better step off the tracks as it's coming through.
Madden 2007 is coming out for PS3, Wii, Xbox 360, and the 'last gen' consoles. What 'special' content is going to take up the other 20 GB of space on that Blu-Ray disk? What content will we be missing out on since the standard disks in the Wii and 360 won't have that much storage space? I'm betting we don't miss out on much.
From what I understand this worldwide launch is even bigger than Microsoft's worldwide launch so they ought to be in better shape than Microsoft was at launch assuming there are no major setbacks at launch like Microsoft's chip shortages. I think 4 million consoles before December 31st will be quite good, and regardless if their black or silver, they're going to sell out, no doubt in my mind.
I never questioned that they would sell out, I even said it would be extremely hard to find. This is going to push people into the 360 camp this Christmas because people don't want to go away empty handed.
How does one pull features for a device that didn't really have any concrete specs until now? Sounds like you are just trying to find something to complain about.
There were 2 HDMI ports on the back of the PS3 pictures that Sony originally released and Sony had maintained, until yesterday, that the PS3s would have dual HDMI out ports. To not even have one on the lower end PS3 will prevent people who have a HDTV but can't find a $600 PS3 from buying one.
I totally have to disagree with your last paragraph. I think a lot of Microsoft customers will be miffed when they find out that they have to fork over yet more money for yet another add-on when they thought they were getting the whole enchilada with the $399 model. Not so, and if we look at past add-on drives, sales of such add-ons are not very successful. I believe the Dreamcast or some other gaming console had a DVD add-on drive (someone correct me if I'm wrong about the Dreamcast of if it was some other console), which lets just say didn't light the world on fire and I expect the 360 HD DVD add-on to meet the same fate. Heck, with all the various add-ons, your 360 will probably resemble an octupus.
The Dreamcast never had a DVD add on drive. Sony's hype machine was what killed the DC despite the fact that Sega had superior games and totally outclassed the PS2 at launch. But Sony was able to appeal to people with DVD playback. People could see the difference between DVDs and VHS on their standard TVs back then and it was enough to push the PS2 over the top. The circumstances are different now, however, since people won't see the difference from Blu-Ray or HD-DVD without a HDTV. Sony also tried to market the DC as a competitor to the PS1 and N64, despite the fact that the Dreamcast games were more polished and online before the PS2 even hit store shelves.
I think Sony's move to include the Blu-ray drive is a stellar one, and one that will pay off as more content is provided for the format and with HDTVs getting cheaper and cheaper, has the capability now and in the future to sell. Not to mention the fact that home users will want seamlessness with their PCs and/or Macs at home, and again with Blu-ray with the majority of players in the IT realm as well, it's not just a matter of if HD DVD will fail but a matter of when. I say HD DVD will be around a year and will go down as the next DIVX format.
I think there is little doubt that Sony is placing all of their eggs in one basket here. They want Blu-Ray to succeed and are willing to go so far as to put their dominance of the console world in jeopardy. Nintendo has a unique system coming out that looks like it will appeal to a large audience. The people I'm talking to seem to all want a Wii, thinking it will be cheap to buy, and are trying to decide between a 360 or a PS3. After talking to them after the conferences last night and earlier today, people who were really gung ho about the PS3 are now leaning towards the 360.
I really think that Sony might have really made a mistake with their $600 price tag. Yes, the consoles will initially all sell out and we'll probably see an installed world wide user base of 5 million at the end of January 2007. But the real question is, how many more people will be that anxious to drop $500 or $600 on what is primarily going to be used as a gaming console? It will be interesting to see.
the 360 just looks so good right now. it has some great games out, lots more coming in just a few months, and the price point at 400? i mean thats nice.
best online play around, what else do u want? like reallY?
grand theft auto 4 has been announced for both the 360 and ps3.
what does the ps3 truly have ? MGS4 yippie.... thts it.
Originally posted by whoami
even though the PS3 will release at $500 & 600, i'm sure the plan is to make some profits during the initial release and then drop the price (at a loss) to get the saturation they want once blu-ray content is really out in full force...
they are taking such a huge hit as is. i cant imagine them dropping the price for a godo while.
Originally posted by Elixir
i to am seeing lots and lots of folks jumping to the 360 even if they still haven't decided on the ps3.
the 360 just looks so good right now. it has some great games out, lots more coming in just a few months, and the price point at 400? i mean thats nice.
best online play around, what else do u want? like reallY?
grand theft auto 4 has been announced for both the 360 and ps3.
what does the ps3 truly have ? MGS4 yippie.... thts it.
One word.....TEKKEN.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/05...0_hddvd_drive/
Originally posted by marzetta7
HD DVD Xbox drive due out at Christmas,...no price...and only capable of 720P...
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/05...0_hddvd_drive/
No price means more than $100, lots more.
Originally posted by ecking
One word.....TEKKEN.
Tekken looks like balls compared to Virtua Fighter 5.
But I'm a SEGA fanboy.
Originally posted by Trendannoyer
oh and Gran Turismo!
May 11, 2004, Gran Turismo was announced for the PSP. A movie was shown, it was incredible, much like the movie shown on Monday for Gran Turismo HD.
Guess what? Here we are almost 2 years to the day that the game was first shown to us and we know *nothing* about it.
At E3 2005, PSP gamers were looking to see the advances Sony had made and possibly get a release date. It was not even at the show.
So now it's E3 2006 and once again, the game is missing in action. Sony won't comment on the status of the game or give any indication on when it might see the light of day.
That's why I have no faith in Sony delivering a new Gran Turismo any time soon.
Originally posted by Fran441
There were 2 HDMI ports on the back of the PS3 pictures that Sony originally released and Sony had maintained, until yesterday, that the PS3s would have dual HDMI out ports. To not even have one on the lower end PS3 will prevent people who have a HDTV but can't find a $600 PS3 from buying one.
My 360 doesn't have an HDMI port on the back and it works just fine with my HDTV.
Weird.