It might not work with a full-size iPod because the software required for the device to work might only be in the Nano. No real physical reason, just a business one.
Also, I see that the battery for the sensor is non-replacable. I wonder how long it lasts and whether replacement sensors will be available without replacement receivers.
If this new wireless system is only to be used with the iPod Nano, it seems that it is pointing to the introduction of built-in wireless capabilities with the regular iPods.
Why would therre be a problem with 4G/5G/Minis? I go running with my 5G all the time and there's no problems. In fact, I'm sure many of you will remember with Apple first released the iPod and one of its main facts was that it included a memory chip capable of not skipping if a person went running...and that was long before Apple released flash based nanos. We'll just have to see if Apple will actually block it from working with 5G iPods or whether it just recommends use with a Nano. I can't imagine they wouldn't want to keep encouraging people to buy the much more profitable 60GB iPod over a Nano.
jogging or running with a hard drive attached to your arm or waist might be riskier in the long term to the overall lifetime of the device*. maybe that's why apple is limiting its use to the nano only. they don't want people sueing them for broken 5Gs when in use with this product.
anyway, this will probably require an ipod firmware update, so keep an eye on that to see if other ipods are supported.
If this new wireless system is only to be used with the iPod Nano, it seems that it is pointing to the introduction of built-in wireless capabilities with the regular iPods.
Scratch that. I see now that it uses a proprietary protocal.
If this new wireless system is only to be used with the iPod Nano, it seems that it is pointing to the introduction of built-in wireless capabilities with the regular iPods.
Also, I see that the battery for the sensor is non-replacable. I wonder how long it lasts and whether replacement sensors will be available without replacement receivers.
Unless the battery lasts at least a year on typical use (2-3 hours a week), spending $29 to buy both the sensor and receiver everytime the battery is depleted is going to be expensive.
You'd have thought with Lance there they'd add a heart rate monitor and cycle computer setup.
Does Nike make bike shoes? Secondly, is there a good way to get heart rate from someone's foot? I don't think the puse is too strong down there to be absorbed through a sock. Plus the pavement pounding stuff.
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Originally posted by filburt
Unless the battery lasts at least a year on typical use (2-3 hours a week), spending $29 to buy both the sensor and receiver everytime the battery is depleted is going to be expensive.
The radio in your car's keyfob lasts a long time. custom, short range radios can run on very low power. A lithium primary cell should be able to drive it for quite some time.
Quick show of hands: how many of you have been using Macs since the early- to mid-90s? I have and I recall very clearly how limp and ineffectual Apple's marketing and its product strategies were.
It's amazing to see that same company being so aggressive in nailing down every segment of this new market they're in. And I'm not even someone who normally gives a rip about that kind of thing, but the contrast between the old Apple and the new is remarkable.
Quick show of hands: how many of you have been using Macs since the early- to mid-90s? I have and I recall very clearly how limp and ineffectual Apple's marketing and its product strategies were.
It's amazing to see that same company being so aggressive in nailing down every segment of this new market they're in. And I'm not even someone who normally gives a rip about that kind of thing, but the contrast between the old Apple and the new is remarkable.
Does Nike make bike shoes? Secondly, is there a good way to get heart rate from someone's foot? I don't think the puse is too strong down there to be absorbed through a sock. Plus the pavement pounding stuff.
Yes, they do make bike shoes. They have done since about 1993 IIRC. They also make bike kit too. That's what Lance wears as did the US Postal Team. There's some kind of co-licencing deal with Trek (the bike manufacturer). Lance runs like a duck as do most cyclists as the muscle development is all wrong for running.
Your foot isn't the place for a heartrate monitor. Usually it's a strap that goes around your chest.
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Originally posted by Splinemodel
The radio in your car's keyfob lasts a long time. custom, short range radios can run on very low power. A lithium primary cell should be able to drive it for quite some time.
My Polar heartrate strap battery lasts a couple of years before I send it back for replacement - it's completely sealed. You can swim with it even. Nike/Trek both make heart rate monitors too but Polar are the leaders.
I hope Nike have made the radio signal from the transmitter coded, otherwise you'll get interference from other people's shoe transmitters. Personally, I'm an ASICS fan for running shoes and Shimano for bike shoes so unless Apple open this up to other manufacturers I can't see it being useful.
Obviously both Apple and Nike have teamed up on this venture with the purpose of selling more products. Apple's pretty covered, as obviously this will only work with an iPod, but what's to stop other shoe manufacturers from putting holes underneath the insole in future shoe models? I'm guessing you can't patent something like that. Nike has a headstart for certain, but do you think they could lose out on their investment in the long run?
Additional thought:
Unless you can't sign on to Nike's online service without a valid shoe purchase. Hmmmm...
Obviously both Apple and Nike have teamed up on this venture with the purpose of selling more products. Apple's pretty covered, as obviously this will only work with an iPod, but what's to stop other shoe manufacturers from putting holes underneath the insole in future shoe models? I'm guessing you can't patent something like that. Nike has a headstart for certain, but do you think they could lose out on their investment in the long run?
Additional thought:
Unless you can't sign on to Nike's online service without a valid shoe purchase. Hmmmm...
I was thinking of simply cutting a hole in my shoe
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I would assume it's available in most countries though, becase at the bottom of this page it says
Nike Sport Music not available in all countries. which hints at yes...
Also, I see that the battery for the sensor is non-replacable. I wonder how long it lasts and whether replacement sensors will be available without replacement receivers.
Originally posted by guiness
Why would therre be a problem with 4G/5G/Minis? I go running with my 5G all the time and there's no problems. In fact, I'm sure many of you will remember with Apple first released the iPod and one of its main facts was that it included a memory chip capable of not skipping if a person went running...and that was long before Apple released flash based nanos. We'll just have to see if Apple will actually block it from working with 5G iPods or whether it just recommends use with a Nano. I can't imagine they wouldn't want to keep encouraging people to buy the much more profitable 60GB iPod over a Nano.
jogging or running with a hard drive attached to your arm or waist might be riskier in the long term to the overall lifetime of the device*. maybe that's why apple is limiting its use to the nano only. they don't want people sueing them for broken 5Gs when in use with this product.
anyway, this will probably require an ipod firmware update, so keep an eye on that to see if other ipods are supported.
*just an assumption. i can't back this up.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
I guess we're getting iTunes 6.05 any moment now in Software Update then!
You'd have thought with Lance there they'd add a heart rate monitor and cycle computer setup.
yea, that would have made sense. or a bicycle adaptor.
Perhaps it will be included in Nike+ cycling shoes.
Originally posted by RolandG
Will it work with non-Nike shoes as well? One won't be able to snuggly fit it inside the shoes but maybe it will work fixed to a shoe's outside.
Unless it is pressure sensitive, in which case it will need to be positioned under the foot.
Originally posted by rongold
If this new wireless system is only to be used with the iPod Nano, it seems that it is pointing to the introduction of built-in wireless capabilities with the regular iPods.
Scratch that. I see now that it uses a proprietary protocal.
Originally posted by rongold
If this new wireless system is only to be used with the iPod Nano, it seems that it is pointing to the introduction of built-in wireless capabilities with the regular iPods.
Does this count as new hardware?
Originally posted by TednDi
yea, that would have made sense. or a bicycle adaptor.
Perhaps it will be included in Nike+ cycling shoes.
You can't detect anything in a cycling shoe. Wheel magnets and heart rate straps only.
Originally posted by Regek
Also, I see that the battery for the sensor is non-replacable. I wonder how long it lasts and whether replacement sensors will be available without replacement receivers.
Unless the battery lasts at least a year on typical use (2-3 hours a week), spending $29 to buy both the sensor and receiver everytime the battery is depleted is going to be expensive.
I wonder how they'll eventually expand this into weight training. hmmm...
Originally posted by aegisdesign
You'd have thought with Lance there they'd add a heart rate monitor and cycle computer setup.
Does Nike make bike shoes? Secondly, is there a good way to get heart rate from someone's foot? I don't think the puse is too strong down there to be absorbed through a sock. Plus the pavement pounding stuff.
Originally posted by filburt
Unless the battery lasts at least a year on typical use (2-3 hours a week), spending $29 to buy both the sensor and receiver everytime the battery is depleted is going to be expensive.
The radio in your car's keyfob lasts a long time. custom, short range radios can run on very low power. A lithium primary cell should be able to drive it for quite some time.
It's amazing to see that same company being so aggressive in nailing down every segment of this new market they're in. And I'm not even someone who normally gives a rip about that kind of thing, but the contrast between the old Apple and the new is remarkable.
Originally posted by inkswamp
Quick show of hands: how many of you have been using Macs since the early- to mid-90s? I have and I recall very clearly how limp and ineffectual Apple's marketing and its product strategies were.
It's amazing to see that same company being so aggressive in nailing down every segment of this new market they're in. And I'm not even someone who normally gives a rip about that kind of thing, but the contrast between the old Apple and the new is remarkable.
Steve got burned the first time.
Or, this would be a 95% apple world.
Originally posted by Splinemodel
Does Nike make bike shoes? Secondly, is there a good way to get heart rate from someone's foot? I don't think the puse is too strong down there to be absorbed through a sock. Plus the pavement pounding stuff.
Yes, they do make bike shoes. They have done since about 1993 IIRC. They also make bike kit too. That's what Lance wears as did the US Postal Team. There's some kind of co-licencing deal with Trek (the bike manufacturer). Lance runs like a duck as do most cyclists as the muscle development is all wrong for running.
Your foot isn't the place for a heartrate monitor. Usually it's a strap that goes around your chest.
Originally posted by Splinemodel
The radio in your car's keyfob lasts a long time. custom, short range radios can run on very low power. A lithium primary cell should be able to drive it for quite some time.
My Polar heartrate strap battery lasts a couple of years before I send it back for replacement - it's completely sealed. You can swim with it even. Nike/Trek both make heart rate monitors too but Polar are the leaders.
I hope Nike have made the radio signal from the transmitter coded, otherwise you'll get interference from other people's shoe transmitters. Personally, I'm an ASICS fan for running shoes and Shimano for bike shoes so unless Apple open this up to other manufacturers I can't see it being useful.
Obviously both Apple and Nike have teamed up on this venture with the purpose of selling more products. Apple's pretty covered, as obviously this will only work with an iPod, but what's to stop other shoe manufacturers from putting holes underneath the insole in future shoe models? I'm guessing you can't patent something like that. Nike has a headstart for certain, but do you think they could lose out on their investment in the long run?
Additional thought:
Unless you can't sign on to Nike's online service without a valid shoe purchase. Hmmmm...
Originally posted by xanthohappy
An interesting thought:
Obviously both Apple and Nike have teamed up on this venture with the purpose of selling more products. Apple's pretty covered, as obviously this will only work with an iPod, but what's to stop other shoe manufacturers from putting holes underneath the insole in future shoe models? I'm guessing you can't patent something like that. Nike has a headstart for certain, but do you think they could lose out on their investment in the long run?
Additional thought:
Unless you can't sign on to Nike's online service without a valid shoe purchase. Hmmmm...
I was thinking of simply cutting a hole in my shoe